It’s Official: This Was America’s Warmest Winter on Record In news that will surprise exactly

[Toddsterpatriot]

How is it that any American still believes anything the government says about global warming?

One would have to be utterly stupid.

Why would anyone believe what an utterly ignorant person like yourself said on any subject?. Every Scientific Society, every National academy of Sceince, and every major University in the world states that global warming is a fact, and the the burning of fossil fuel is the cause.

Every Scientific Society, every National academy of Sceince, and every major University in the world states that global warming is a fact, and the the burning of fossil fuel is the cause.

Did they say how much cooling we'll get for each $trillion in windmills we buy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And once again you are basing all your fear mongering on reactor styles that are for all intents and purposes all but obsolete

In every nation on earth, costs for nuclear reactors are spiraling upwards. That has nothing to do with anything in the US. It's a commonality of the nuclear industry everywhere. New reactors, old reactors, they're all still insanely expensive. Even France, with large numbers of government-backed standardized plants, can't build a nuclear plant that isn't a massive money loser.

Yeah, we keep hearing about next-generation plants, or the new miracle Chinese technology just around the corner, and it never materializes. The Chinese can't build a profit-turning nuclear plant either.

It's a matter of money, where to efficiently allocate resources. Nuclear power will always be useful for baseline loads, but renewables and efficiency are the cost-effective path forward now.

In every nation on earth, costs for nuclear reactors are spiraling upwards.

But CO2 is the biggest threat to our planet. How can you worry about costs compared to that?
You must be a greedy Republican.

 

[edthecynic]

I never said oxygen was increasing. I said increased CO2 promotes plant growth and more abundant plant life produces more oxygen.

You can't be that stupid, but I can understand you pretending to be that stupid!
You say right there that CO2 produces more O2 through one intermediate step.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It’s Official: This Was America’s Warmest Winter on Record

In news that will surprise exactly no one, we just finished America’s warmest winter in history.

On Tuesday, NOAA released its official assessment of December, January, and February’s temperatures across the United States, and the results are striking: Not a single state in the U.S. had a cooler than average winter. (NOAA treats Alaska and Hawaii separately, due to shorter weather data records there—though both states were significantly warmer than normal this winter. Weather records for the contiguous United States go back to 1895.)

NOAA blames the recent warm weather on a record-strength El Niño “and other climate patterns,” most notably, global warming. As a whole, this winter in the lower 48 was about 4.6 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the 20th century average: a sharp contrast to the previous back-to-back frigid polar vortex winters, especially in the Northeast. But that doesn’t mean there was a lack of wintry weather: New York City, for example, had one of its warmest and snowiest winters on record, an odd combination to say the least.

It’s Official: This Was America’s Warmest Winter on Record


Wow, that is all that needs to be said. Sure has been warm here.

WOW.. El Niño acted like it does in the historical records.. And as the reliable records are just 37 years long the length is far to short to mean jack shit..

ITS NOT AGW you morons...

Its not even a record in light of the MEWP or the RWP..

Screaming at the top of your lungs the AGW hype is total bull shit!

 

[frigidweirdo]

It’s Official: This Was America’s Warmest Winter on Record


It’s Official: This Was America’s Warmest Winter on Record


Wow, that is all that needs to be said. Sure has been warm here.

Yeah it's been awesome

I'll take another winter just like this one any time

And then it gets warmer and warmer and then the amount of oxygen starts to drop and then....... no more us.

Oh, but before that happens the PH levels in the sea will change so much many creatures there will die of before we do.

You and I will both be dead long before that happens

Perhaps, but that's not a good reason for ignoring it. Maybe you're putting our grandchildren or great grand children right in the shit.

LOL, what are you going to do?

I'll do what I can.

But sometimes you can't hope to defeat people who are repeating what big oil is telling them to say, there's too much money behind it.

But then again, China is on the rise and their usage of renewables is increasing, and the US is on the way down anyway.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yeah it's been awesome

I'll take another winter just like this one any time

And then it gets warmer and warmer and then the amount of oxygen starts to drop and then....... no more us.

Oh, but before that happens the PH levels in the sea will change so much many creatures there will die of before we do.

You and I will both be dead long before that happens

Perhaps, but that's not a good reason for ignoring it. Maybe you're putting our grandchildren or great grand children right in the shit.

LOL, what are you going to do?

I'll do what I can.

But sometimes you can't hope to defeat people who are repeating what big oil is telling them to say, there's too much money behind it.

But then again, China is on the rise and their usage of renewables is increasing, and the US is on the way down anyway.

LOL

Moron..

I can always tell a left wing power monger and useful idiot when they use the "big oil" crap. Do you have the ability to use cognitive thought?

 

[Vigilante]

3 weeks ago NYC hit -1 degrees and had over 26 inches of snow, the second most snow ever!

 

[Billy_Bob]

3 weeks ago NYC hit -1 degrees and had over 26 inches of snow, the second most snow ever!

But that is weather......

Only warming is "Climate Change".....

Some days i just want to ***** slap the alarmists. They cant see their own hypocrisy and double standard.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The "cult" is YOU, jack! You are part of a Socialist network who are actively trying to shake down capitalists worldwide. Most rational people simply think you are kooky and crazy but you really need to be exposed as the Socialists you are.

That's right. The whole world is composed of socialists, and they're all coming after you. Nothing at all conspiratorial about that.

The scientific facts are simple... nothing man is doing will cause any sort of catastrophic consequence to our climate that nature hasn't endured before and overcome.

Nah, that's more unsupported PC feelgood nonsense on your part.

Increased CO2 in our atmosphere merely means there is more nutrition for plant life. More plant life means more oxygen. Humans and all animal life flourishes on oxygen.

That defies common sense. When you burn carbon, attaching an O2 to a C, it makes CO2. That takes O2 out of the air, and decreases oxygen levels. If CO2 goes up by 120ppm in the short term (short enough for geological carbon and oxygen fixing to not come into play), O2 has to drop by 120ppm. Not significant, though, when the oxygen levels started around 200,000 ppm.

Up until about 600 years ago, our plant life was actually starving for CO2. We have only, within the past 600 years, reached levels that are sufficient to sustain vibrant growth in plants and trees. Of course, none of your Socialist propagandist brainwashers are going to tell you this.

That's right, forests and jungles were all in poor health prior to 600 years ago, because plants were so CO2-starved, and only a socialist plot says otherwise.

do you even know how much CO2 is needed in the atmosphere for plant life to exist? Dude/ dudette, you never stop amazing me the stupid you hold on to. How can CO2 be bad, when the planet needs it to produce Oxygen?

We can't live without sunlight. How can it be bad? We get essential vitamins, like Vitamin D. Without sunlight we'd have some problems. However the sun can also cause cancer.

Yes, sometimes things are good AND bad.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[elektra]

It's a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word.
- Andrew Jackson

Dont you mean, "spel"
Is Donald Trump the new Andrew Jackson?

 

[Boss]

I never said oxygen was increasing. I said increased CO2 promotes plant growth and more abundant plant life produces more oxygen.

You can't be that stupid, but I can understand you pretending to be that stupid!
You say right there that CO2 produces more O2 through one intermediate step.

No Eddy, I'm sorry you don't understand chemistry but stating that plants produce oxygen from carbon dioxide is not stating that oxygen levels are globally increased. Lots of things happen to oxygen. It can bond with hydrogen and make water. It can bond with lots of other things and make lots of other compound elements...probably more than any other element, as a matter of fact. It doesn't always stay oxygen. But increased CO2 causes more robust growth in plant life because that's what plants thrive on... more plants create more oxygen because that is what plants do... they process carbon dioxide and turn it to oxygen.

So... IF you believe the CO2 levels are dangerously TOO high... plant a ******* tree and shut the **** up! You will have done more with that one single action than all the activist Global Climate Change nonsense that's ever been done.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I never said oxygen was increasing. I said increased CO2 promotes plant growth and more abundant plant life produces more oxygen.

You can't be that stupid, but I can understand you pretending to be that stupid!
You say right there that CO2 produces more O2 through one intermediate step.

No Eddy, I'm sorry you don't understand chemistry but stating that plants produce oxygen from carbon dioxide is not stating that oxygen levels are globally increased. Lots of things happen to oxygen. It can bond with hydrogen and make water. It can bond with lots of other things and make lots of other compound elements...probably more than any other element, as a matter of fact. It doesn't always stay oxygen. But increased CO2 causes more robust growth in plant life because that's what plants thrive on... more plants create more oxygen because that is what plants do... they process carbon dioxide and turn it to oxygen.

So... IF you believe the CO2 levels are dangerously TOO high... plant a ******* tree and shut the **** up! You will have done more with that one single action than all the activist Global Climate Change nonsense that's ever been done.

You know that is the best suggestion there is on AGW.. IT keeps them out of my wallet, allows us to not kill our economy, and lets them feel good about themselves while costing me nothing.. Vs the damage they are doing to world economies and killing off millions of people.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And once again you are basing all your fear mongering on reactor styles that are for all intents and purposes all but obsolete

In every nation on earth, costs for nuclear reactors are spiraling upwards. That has nothing to do with anything in the US. It's a commonality of the nuclear industry everywhere. New reactors, old reactors, they're all still insanely expensive. Even France, with large numbers of government-backed standardized plants, can't build a nuclear plant that isn't a massive money loser.

Yeah, we keep hearing about next-generation plants, or the new miracle Chinese technology just around the corner, and it never materializes. The Chinese can't build a profit-turning nuclear plant either.

It's a matter of money, where to efficiently allocate resources. Nuclear power will always be useful for baseline loads, but renewables and efficiency are the cost-effective path forward now.

In every nation on earth, costs for nuclear reactors are spiraling upwards.

But CO2 is the biggest threat to our planet. How can you worry about costs compared to that?
You must be a greedy Republican.

All these so called science lovers refuse to even consider the next generation reactors and base all their numbers on the old outdated light water reactors that we have been using

It doesn't matter that I have posted estimates and white papers that indicate the next generation modular reactors will cost a fraction of an old light water reactor

 

[Old Rocks]

. this planet has undergone crazy radical extremes in temperature AND SURVIVED!

Of course, nobody ever claimed the earth itself would not survive. Yet oddly, you keep implying over and over that people did say such a thing. So, congratulations on so ably refuting a point that nobody ever tried to make. Too bad that you're so incapable of addressing anything anyone did say. But then, when all the data contradicts you, red herrings and fraudulent claims are all you've got.

So all of a sudden.. in the 21st century, we have to soak capitalists for trillions and trillions of dollars in some "carbon offset scheme" and that is supposed to somehow "fix" this problem and correct the ever-so-delicate balance of nature? I guess we're supposed to show Mother Nature our carbon offset certificates and she will be so impressed with our efforts she will thank us by mediating the global temperature?

YOU PEOPLE ARE ******* INSANE SOCIALISTS!!

I thank you for so convincingly illustrating my ongoing point concerning the conspiratorial nature of denier cultists.

However, compared to the other deniers, your rants are kind of boring. There's little entertainment value in them. Considering that people now only pay attention to deniers for the entertainment that their insane cult ravings provide, you need to up your game.

The "cult" is YOU, jack! You are part of a Socialist network who are actively trying to shake down capitalists worldwide. Most rational people simply think you are kooky and crazy but you really need to be exposed as the Socialists you are.

The scientific facts are simple... nothing man is doing will cause any sort of catastrophic consequence to our climate that nature hasn't endured before and overcome. Increased CO2 in our atmosphere merely means there is more nutrition for plant life. More plant life means more oxygen. Humans and all animal life flourishes on oxygen.

Up until about 600 years ago, our plant life was actually starving for CO2. We have only, within the past 600 years, reached levels that are sufficient to sustain vibrant growth in plants and trees. Of course, none of your Socialist propagandist brainwashers are going to tell you this.

Whatever are you talking about? There has been no real significant change in the atmospheric CO2 in the last 10,000 years. It was a steady 280 ppm, + or - 10 ppm the whole time. And even when in the depths of the ice age, when it was 180 ppm, there was plentiful vegetation. Perhaps you should do a little research before you pull shit out of your ass, Boss.

 

[edthecynic]

I never said oxygen was increasing. I said increased CO2 promotes plant growth and more abundant plant life produces more oxygen.

You can't be that stupid, but I can understand you pretending to be that stupid!
You say right there that CO2 produces more O2 through one intermediate step.

No Eddy, I'm sorry you don't understand chemistry but stating that plants produce oxygen from carbon dioxide is not stating that oxygen levels are globally increased.

But that, of course, is NOT what YOU said. YOU said more CO2 produces MORE O2 through more plant growth. YOUR own words were "MORE OXYGEN."
You prove that Cruz inspired lying scum will never admit the truth about anything.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's because idiots in the government aren't issuing permits for new reactors and certainly not for next generation reactors

Seems they are Luddites when it comes to nuclear power just like you

You understand you have to apply for a permit to get one, right?

Permits denied in the USA ... there seems to be ... one, Calvert Cliffs. And that denial was because the builder was foreign, which is not permitted.

The idiots in government only approve permits for light water reactors

Kerry and his minions of morons put the kibosh on integral fast reactors a while back and the government in all their dubious wisdom hasn't approved any other designs for permit consideration

But then again someone in the business who supposedly runs reactors should know that shouldn't they?

 

[mamooth]

The idiots in government only approve permits for light water reactors

And so it devolves into a conspiracy theory. Yep, the whole world is plotting against these miracle reactors.

Kerry and his minions of morons put the kibosh on integral fast reactors a while back and the government in all their dubious wisdom hasn't approved any other designs for permit consideration

That's right, Kerry managed to single-handedly shut down the miracle technology around the world. Funny that no other country has managed to make a successful fast breeder either. There's a whole lotta failures in that technology tree. The Russians barely have one running. The French and British abandoned their programs. I think the Japanese have one, but aren't running it now.

But then again someone in the business who supposedly runs reactors should know that shouldn't they?

Having trouble with the concept of "tense" in the English language, I see.

I'm about as pro-nuke as one can get. However, I recognize reality. The choice is between "cheap" and "safe", and dropping "safe" is not an option. Hence, there is no cheap nuclear power, hence it is a poor choice for energy development, which is why so few nuclear plants are being built.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The idiots in government only approve permits for light water reactors

And so it devolves into a conspiracy theory. Yep, the whole world is plotting against these miracle reactors.

Kerry and his minions of morons put the kibosh on integral fast reactors a while back and the government in all their dubious wisdom hasn't approved any other designs for permit consideration

That's right, Kerry managed to single-handedly shut down the miracle technology around the world. Funny that no other country has managed to make a successful fast breeder either. There's a whole lotta failures in that technology tree. The Russians barely have one running. The French and British abandoned their programs. I think the Japanese have one, but aren't running it now.

But then again someone in the business who supposedly runs reactors should know that shouldn't they?

Having trouble with the concept of "tense" in the English language, I see.

I'm about as pro-nuke as one can get. However, I recognize reality. The choice is between "cheap" and "safe", and dropping "safe" is not an option. Hence, there is no cheap nuclear power, hence it is a poor choice for energy development, which is why so few nuclear plants are being built.

I'm not talking about around the world Idiot

I really don't give a **** about around the world

And anyone who works in the nuclear industry and has supposedly run reactors would know that the safety record of nuclear power is stellar

 

[Boss]

Whatever are you talking about? There has been no real significant change in the atmospheric CO2 in the last 10,000 years. It was a steady 280 ppm, + or - 10 ppm the whole time. And even when in the depths of the ice age, when it was 180 ppm, there was plentiful vegetation. Perhaps you should do a little research before you pull shit out of your ass, Boss.

There is a reason you people only show graphs for the past 1,000 years. When you do that with a planet millions of years old, you can hide the facts that contradict the alarmist theory you're trying to promote.

As we can see by the ice core data above, levels of CO2 rise and fall naturally throughout the history of the planet. No industrialization, no carbon offset tax, no Al Gore preaching, it just rises and then falls... naturally. It has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years.

Atmospheric CO2 has never been a "steady" anything. It even rises and falls annually. And while we can accurately read the ice core data to determine pretty close to the actual CO2 levels globally, there is no way to fine tune our readings to detect anomalous spike points that may have happened from time to time. It would be great if we had high-tech instrumentation at the north and south poles back 500,000 years ago.. but we didn't. Still, we can clearly see, without mankind doing anything to contribute or combat CO2... it rises and falls naturally.

Now, another thing that keeps happening here is, you goobs continue distorting things I say... I never said there was not plentiful vegetation during the little ice age (or the big ice age). I merely made the point that plants convert CO2 into oxygen. More CO2 means plant life thrives and produces more oxygen. During the little ice age when the CO2 was relatively lower than now, the trees grew slower and the wood was more dense... we created the Stradivarius violin. Wood grows faster today because there is more CO2 in the atmosphere and so, we can't duplicate the Stradivarius.

BUT.... What a rising CO2 level means for you? Well, you can plant a tree farm! Nature has provided you with an abundance of nutritional free resources and you can use free market capitalism to make yourself a fortune. Trees are much more lucrative than they would have been during the little ice age because they can grow faster. You can feel good about making your fortune because they also absorb that nasty CO2 you've come to loathe and hate, AND... the trees can be turned into paper so that your hero Al Gore can write another book to sell to gullible nitwits who believe his insane rantings.