Not theory, speculation. I've learned all things are possible in politics.


Yes, all these people in various parts of the government, knew that Trump would appoint them to the just the right positions so that they could take place in a systematic process to subvert Trump to make him do all these illegal actions to try and get him impeached.

Do you think up this screwy shit yourself, or are you on a subscription service?

The only thing screwy is the shit you Trump supporters think is going on.

I get that the National Enquirer was a big Trump supporter, but you guys do understand that shit isn't real right?


Yeah, you Stalinists would never cook up some hokey conspiracy theory about "RUSSIAN COLLUSION."

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Yeah especially if said collusion takes place in Trump tower with trump jr

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- there is no actual whistleblower.

I see that logic was never your forte.

There is no need for the whistleblower to give testimony because everything he/she highlighted has already been proven from other sources.

You know this.
The latest on "who" the whistleblower is that it is someone who worked with Joe Biden. That's the claim I'm hearing and syncs perfectly with all the Democrat secrecy and not even let members on the judiciary committee in their secret meetings held illegally from other members on the judiciary committee as well.

So the Democrats want it kept a secret that their "whistleblower" is really not a whistle blower, but a Joe Biden Democrat operative. And they did not want a Republican finding that out, so Schiff devised illegal meetings with only selected Democrats attending and not one Republican.

All along this lie of an impeachment hearing has been about getting Trump out by coup, and using his fellow candidate running for President (Joe Biden)'s staff to hurt him with alleged information which at best is second hand and as likeliest is a false narrative engineered to hurt Trump more.
 
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Appearing on CBS's Face The Nation Sunday morning, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff essentially conceded that there was no quid pro quo between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by saying "there doesn't need to be a quid pro quo."
Did Adam Schiff Just Admit There Was No Quid Pro Quo?
A president’s management of foreign policy and his political interests naturally overlap.

Listening to the Left's hysteria, one would think that a quid pro quo is always bad, and that it is a terrible thing to pressure a foreign government.

Pure silliness, Quid pro quo arrangements are common in foreign relations. Governments assist each other out of self-interests. Incentives are the coin of the realm. Nations pursue their interests, here interests align, they assist each other. They bargain with each other - “We want you to do this; what do we need to do to get you do it?”

Bribery schemes like Biden engages in are both corrupt and sinister. But when a Country is asked for something that is not improper, there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo. What Democrats are trying to do is criminalize investigation into Obama era wrong-doing, and they will fail.

There is, similarly, nothing wrong with making a request of a foreign government in furtherance of American interests. If important American interests are at stake, such as a bribery scheme (which is an impeachable offense) by the former Vice President, it is the president’s job is to pressure other countries. Applying inducements is what countries do to each other. As long as what an American president is asking for advances an American interest and does not violate either American law or any international obligation we’ve taken on, there is nothing wrong with pressuring other countries.

A policy that is good for the United States may have the collateral effect of politically damaging a president’s political rival, a president cannot be discouraged from pursuing American interests just because doing so might help the president or harm the president’s opposition.

Biden’s extortion of Kyiv to fire a prosecutor who may have been investigating Burisma, an energy company that, under circumstances that smack of self-dealing, retained Biden’s son on its board, is a horrific offense by Biden and it's in America's policy interests that we get to the bottom of this. Bribery IS an impeachable offense.

The Barr investigation, despite the Democrat howling, is a legitimate Justice Department probe that is in America’s interests since it is exploring serious allegations of abuse of power.

In terms of U.S. interests, it was perfectly appropriate for an American president to ask Ukraine to assist an American investigation — even if this involved a quid pro quo or could be seen as extortionate is unremarkable.

Part of the Barr investigation involves Obama-administration pressure on Ukraine to pursue an investigation of Paul Manafort and that makes the Biden/Burisma angle relevant to Barr’s probe. Wholly apart from Hunter Biden, if investigators are looking into whether the Obama administration influenced Ukraine to investigate a Trump-campaign official, it would be probative to show that Ukraine was so beholden to the Obama administration that Biden was able to pressure Kyiv to fire a prosecutor.

The same people who are screaming about Biden and quid pro quo are indifferent to the undeniable fact that the Obama administration sought and obtained the assistance of foreign governments and intelligence services in the investigation of Trump’s campaign. When it comes to Trump, they would treat a comparatively minor impropriety as a hanging offense; when it comes to Obama, they want to pretend the collusion with foreign governments to interfere in the campaign didn’t happen when it obviously did.

And you want to talk corrupt quid pro quo? Obama traded ransom payments and billions in sanctions relief in order to get a nuclear deal that enriched Iran, the world’s leading state sponsor of anti-American terrorism, and gave that regime a straight-line path to becoming a nuclear power. He traded five Taliban commanders for a deserter while the Taliban continued to fight against and kill American and allied troops.

You want to ignore every Obama quid pro quo that harmed national security, but we’re supposed to find high crimes and misdemeanors because Trump, in the course of pressuring Ukraine to assist a Justice Department investigation, also pressured Ukraine to look into potential corruption by a political rival. Not, mind you, to invent an allegation against Joe Biden out of whole cloth, but to see if there is fire under what sure looks like smoke.

By All Means, Impeach Him, MAKE OUR DAY! We will hang you with this and you richly deserve it. The Left has been pushing this fight since election night. BRING IT ON!

We. Dare. You.
 

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