Issue 1 in Ohio

[Dadoalex]

Lies!

If Roe vs Wade was not overturned, this would not be an issue.

A close look at proposed constitutional amendment in Ohio to allow abortion and reproductive freedom

Backers of the plan announced it earlier this month and the resolution itself has not been submitted.

www.statenews.org

Again, they know that most in Ohio favor some abortion rights, but they also know the majority also favor restrictions, restrictions that will essentially be done away with.

But the media will not talk about this, and lie and deceive those that question them about it.

That is why this amendment on issue 1 is necessary.

So you're saying that overturning ROE has led the GOP to become anti-democracy?
Actually, you're wrong.
The GOP has been anti democracy for more than 2 decades.

For me this is not about abortion. The GOP will pay the price for that in 24 as they paid in 22.
It is about supporting the democratic processes which the GOP has both abandoned and scourged for decades.

 

[Dadoalex]

So our Federal amendment process is undemocratic?

It is indeed as are
the filibuster
giving tax money to political campaigns
using taxpayer dollars to fund primaries
PACs

 

[Votto]

So you're saying that overturning ROE has led the GOP to become anti-democracy?
Actually, you're wrong.
The GOP has been anti democracy for more than 2 decades.

For me this is not about abortion. The GOP will pay the price for that in 24 as they paid in 22.
It is about supporting the democratic processes which the GOP has both abandoned and scourged for decades.

Again, you need a majority to pass issue one so what is the problem?

But if government were really based on democracy, do you think Congress would maintain an approval rating under 20% for the last past 2 decades?

 

[Dadoalex]

Again, you need a majority to pass issue one so what is the problem?
...

Passing issue 1
will eliminate majorities in favor of super-majorities and
will make it near impossible to get an issue on the ballot

That's enough for me.

 

[hadit]

That you fail to understand what's going on us not surprising.

The fact that you believe it's "anti-women" is less surprising, but equally troubling.

 

[Votto]

Passing issue 1
will eliminate majorities in favor of super-majorities and
will make it near impossible to get an issue on the ballot

That's enough for me.

Again, the majority has to vote on it, so no it does not.

 

[martybegan]

It is indeed as are
the filibuster
giving tax money to political campaigns
using taxpayer dollars to fund primaries
PACs

Wrong on all counts.

 

[Votto]

The fact that you believe it's "anti-women" is less surprising, but equally troubling.

They pretend women can't vote or that all of them are really democrats

Then they pretend they don't even know what a woman is.

 

[hadit]

They pretend women can't vote or that all of them are really democrats

Then they pretend they don't even know what a woman is.

They like to pretend that all women agree with them.

 

[Votto]

They like to pretend that all women agree with them.

Just like they think all Blacks agree with them.

And those that don't are not really Black according to them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

As I say to all my fellow Ohioans:

How hard is it to amend, the US Constitution?
Why should it not be as hard to amend the OH constitution?

Already voted yes.

 

[Arlette]

Yes on Issue 1

The mission of Ohio Right to Life is to promote and defend the right to life of all innocent human beings, from the time of fertilization until natural death.

www.ohiolife.org

Since Roe vs Wade has been overturned, the Left has begun an all-out assault to recodify abortion back into the law of states that opted out, like Ohio. In Ohio, they are now trying to add abortion to the state Constitution via a direct vote to circumvent lawmakers who restrict abortion. Voting no on issue one would allow a simple majority to add abortion to the Ohio Constitution. But as we all know, the Left will not be honest about advertising it, since they own the media. They will sell it as a return to Roe vs. Wade, but that would be a lie. The proposed amendment would do much more than that as I will explain later. However, voting yes would require more than just a simple majority to change the Constitution.

The Amendment has already been written and will not only allow abortion on demand, but it does away with the Roe vs Wade mandate that abortions not occur on viable infants. That means abortions up to the partial birth abortion. Anything goes now.

But it does not end there. It would also allow children to have abortions without their parents' consent.

But it doesn't even end there. It would also allow children to begin to transition into another sex without their parents' notification or approval.

Imagine your child making the most difficult decisions of their lives that will alter their lives forever, without they help of their parents.

Parental rights would become nonexistent with the proposed Constitutional amendment, but again, it is not being advertised this way.

In fact, why even have parents since the state can only be trusted with the welfare of children and not the parents? After all, we see what a swell job the state does with children in foster care.

No, parents need to be targeted because they cannot be trusted. America really is that bad, all of them.

Isn't that right democrats?

Voting is on August 8th.

Ohio is a bellwether

 

[M14 Shooter]

Ohio is a bellwether

Ohio is -very- red.

 

[22lcidw]

A majority of Americans are in favor of abortion rights. A minority of conservative politicians and judges are looking to take those rights away.
So instead of letting the people decide, Republicans decide to stack the deck and change the rules in the middle of the game.
My guess is the amendment is going to go down and that the question of abortion will appear on the November ballot.
Then, the people get to decide. As it should be.

When you say majority/minority in real terms with a neutered progressive controlled media it does not make a difference. The election of Trump threw a monkey wrench into the Prog agendas for domination. It took a half century or much less than that to change people minds on abortions to it being just and righteous. Perhaps we need the states to have their say. Perhaps we will not need a million abortions a year as it may affect our behaviors for the better. And with technologies advancing it may make it near moot point.

 

[Arlette]

Ohio is -very- red.

Looks like it's not as red as we thought. Abortion upends the apple cart

 

[M14 Shooter]

Looks like it's not as red as we thought. Abortion upends the apple cart

The abortion amendment is unlikely to pass.

 

[Coyote]

Yes, liberty is important to the left, and to good human beings in general. That's why liberal positions are so popular, because they support liberty. And it's why conservative liberty-squashing positions are so unpopular. That's just one of many reasons why it's good to be a liberal. Being on the popular liberty-embracing side, we don't need to embarrass ourselves by trying justify why a tyrannical minority should be to use the heavy hand of the state to force obedience from the moral majority.

You told some whoppers about the amendment. For example, it specifically states "abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability". You claimed it says the exact opposite. Was your lie deliberate, or were just just parroting propaganda? Did you even read the amendment? Probably not. Your masters gave you talking points, and you repeated them.

Being honest, I'll do what you noticably avoided doing. I'll post the actual text of the amendment.

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Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article I of the Ohio Constitution is amended to add the following Section:


Article I, Section 22. The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety


A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on:

1. contraception;
2. fertility treatment;
3. continuing one’s own pregnancy;
4. miscarriage care;
5. and abortion.

B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either:

1. An individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or
2. A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right, unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.
3. However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

C. As used in this Section:

1. “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”
2. “State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.

D. This Section is self-executing.
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Reader’s Digest version: OP is a flaming liar.

 

[Aldo Raine]

As I say to all my fellow Ohioans:

How hard is it to amend, the US Constitution?
Why should it not be as hard to amend the OH constitution?

Already voted yes.

Cool, already voted NO!

 

[busybee01]

Yes on Issue 1

The mission of Ohio Right to Life is to promote and defend the right to life of all innocent human beings, from the time of fertilization until natural death.

www.ohiolife.org

Since Roe vs Wade has been overturned, the Left has begun an all-out assault to recodify abortion back into the law of states that opted out, like Ohio. In Ohio, they are now trying to add abortion to the state Constitution via a direct vote to circumvent lawmakers who restrict abortion. Voting no on issue one would allow a simple majority to add abortion to the Ohio Constitution. But as we all know, the Left will not be honest about advertising it, since they own the media. They will sell it as a return to Roe vs. Wade, but that would be a lie. The proposed amendment would do much more than that as I will explain later. However, voting yes would require more than just a simple majority to change the Constitution.

The Amendment has already been written and will not only allow abortion on demand, but it does away with the Roe vs Wade mandate that abortions not occur on viable infants. That means abortions up to the partial birth abortion. Anything goes now.

But it does not end there. It would also allow children to have abortions without their parents' consent.

But it doesn't even end there. It would also allow children to begin to transition into another sex without their parents' notification or approval.

Imagine your child making the most difficult decisions of their lives that will alter their lives forever, without they help of their parents.

Parental rights would become nonexistent with the proposed Constitutional amendment, but again, it is not being advertised this way.

In fact, why even have parents since the state can only be trusted with the welfare of children and not the parents? After all, we see what a swell job the state does with children in foster care.

No, parents need to be targeted because they cannot be trusted. America really is that bad, all of them.

Isn't that right democrats?

Voting is on August 8th.

That is a lie. Why don't you try telling the truth. Prop 1 is the latest assault on democracy by Republicans. It would raise the threshold for passing a constitutional amendment from a simple majority to 60% which makes no sense. The people of Ohio are not being fooled and will vote this down by a sizeable majority.

 

[busybee01]

Yes, liberty is important to the left, and to good human beings in general. That's why liberal positions are so popular, because they support liberty. And it's why conservative liberty-squashing positions are so unpopular. That's just one of many reasons why it's good to be a liberal. Being on the popular liberty-embracing side, we don't need to embarrass ourselves by trying justify why a tyrannical minority should be to use the heavy hand of the state to force obedience from the moral majority.

You told some whoppers about the amendment. For example, it specifically states "abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability". You claimed it says the exact opposite. Was your lie deliberate, or were just just parroting propaganda? Did you even read the amendment? Probably not. Your masters gave you talking points, and you repeated them.

Being honest, I'll do what you noticably avoided doing. I'll post the actual text of the amendment.

---
Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article I of the Ohio Constitution is amended to add the following Section:


Article I, Section 22. The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety


A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on:

1. contraception;
2. fertility treatment;
3. continuing one’s own pregnancy;
4. miscarriage care;
5. and abortion.

B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either:

1. An individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or
2. A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right, unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.
3. However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

C. As used in this Section:

1. “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”
2. “State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.

D. This Section is self-executing.
---

That is the wrong amendment. The abortion amendment will be voted on in November. Below is what will be voterd on in August.