Israeli Settlers: Are They ‘Civilians’ or Legitimate Military Targets?

[Hollie]

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Monty'ism Alert!

As usual, it's important to fact check The Monty. While he will insist that his "phacts" are The Phacts, the truth is usually evident, in plain sight, out of the way of Monty'ism.

What caused the Palestinian refugee crisis?


The picture that emerged was a complex one - of frightened communities fleeing their homes at the first whiff of grapeshot, as they or neighbouring villages were attacked; of communities expelled by conquering Israeli troops; of villagers ordered by Arab commanders to send away women, children and the old to safety in inland areas; and of economic privation, unemployment and general chaos as the British mandate government wound down and allowed the two native communities to slug it out. The better-organised, economically more robust and ideologically more cohesive and motivated Jewish community weathered the flail of war; Palestinian society fell apart.

 

[Roudy]

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Monty'ism Alert!

As usual, it's important to fact check The Monty. While he will insist that his "phacts" are The Phacts, the truth is usually evident, in plain sight, out of the way of Monty'ism.

What caused the Palestinian refugee crisis?


The picture that emerged was a complex one - of frightened communities fleeing their homes at the first whiff of grapeshot, as they or neighbouring villages were attacked; of communities expelled by conquering Israeli troops; of villagers ordered by Arab commanders to send away women, children and the old to safety in inland areas; and of economic privation, unemployment and general chaos as the British mandate government wound down and allowed the two native communities to slug it out. The better-organised, economically more robust and ideologically more cohesive and motivated Jewish community weathered the flail of war; Palestinian society fell apart.

Should be relabled MORON ALERT!

 

[Shusha]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Ah no. We most certainly do not all agree that civilians are military targets.

BUT if you believe that civilians are legitimate targets -- then Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets.

 

[louie888]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Ah no. We most certainly do not all agree that civilians are military targets.

BUT if you believe that civilians are legitimate targets -- then Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets.

NOT CIVILIANS! MILITARY TARGETS WHO THIEVE AND MURDER.

 

[rylah]

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources they claim to use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

 

[montelatici]

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

 

[Hollie]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Ah no. We most certainly do not all agree that civilians are military targets.

BUT if you believe that civilians are legitimate targets -- then Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets.

NOT CIVILIANS! MILITARY TARGETS WHO THIEVE AND MURDER.

SO THEN YOU AGREE. PAL'ISTANIANS ARE LEGITIMATE TARGETS.

 

[rylah]

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

Did I say that?
Your first link to what You've mistakingly referred as 'fact' is a story based on invented facts those revisionist historians invented and were caught doing so.
Therefore I ask for the SOURCE of those declassified documents they claim to quote.

Meanwhile the pattern shows those sources to be their books only.

 

[montelatici]

So, you believe that the "revisionist" historians, who are Jewish, are making things up and the Zionist historians are telling the truth.

 

[Roudy]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Ah no. We most certainly do not all agree that civilians are military targets.

BUT if you believe that civilians are legitimate targets -- then Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets.

NOT CIVILIANS! MILITARY TARGETS WHO THIEVE AND MURDER.

Go ahead Achmed, make Israel's day. Muslim terrorist animals are always killing civilians all over the world, and calling them legit targets. What else is new.

 

[Roudy]

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

Did I say that?
Your first link to what You've mistakingly referred as 'fact' is a story based on invented facts those revisionist historians invented and were caught doing so.
Therefore I ask for the SOURCE of those declassified documents they claim to quote.

Meanwhile the pattern shows those sources to be their books only.

MontiNazi does that all the time. He mutilates documents, misquotes, and intentionally posts the wrong link. The propagandist thinks he's fooling anyone. I wouldn't trust anything this clown posts as far as I could spit.

 

[rylah]

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

Did I say that?
Your first link to what You've mistakingly referred as 'fact' is a story based on invented facts those revisionist historians invented and were caught doing so.
Therefore I ask for the SOURCE of those declassified documents they claim to quote.

Meanwhile the pattern shows those sources to be their books only.

MontiNazi does that all the time. He mutilates documents, misquotes, and intentionally posts the wrong link. The propagandist thinks he's fooling anyone. I wouldn't trust anything this clown posts as far as I could spit.

With a simple search one can find a couple of posts where I gathered
Monte's graphic manipulation of documents, calls for genocide of all non Christians and more of such ''wisdom'.

 

[rylah]

So, you believe that the "revisionist" historians, who are Jewish, are making things up and the Zionist historians are telling the truth.

Again this obsession with them being Jews.

Doesn't change the fact that neither them nor You are capable of backing up those sensationalist claims. And the pattern is reoccurring.

 

[Roudy]

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

Did I say that?
Your first link to what You've mistakingly referred as 'fact' is a story based on invented facts those revisionist historians invented and were caught doing so.
Therefore I ask for the SOURCE of those declassified documents they claim to quote.

Meanwhile the pattern shows those sources to be their books only.

MontiNazi does that all the time. He mutilates documents, misquotes, and intentionally posts the wrong link. The propagandist thinks he's fooling anyone. I wouldn't trust anything this clown posts as far as I could spit.

With a simple search one can find a couple of posts where I gathered
Monte's graphic manipulation of documents, calls for genocide of all non Christians and more of such ''wisdom'.

Antisemites and Islamo-propagandists have no intellectual honesty, moral or ethics. Most of them are mentally ill, with a predisposition for violence.

 

[Roudy]

So, you believe that the "revisionist" historians, who are Jewish, are making things up and the Zionist historians are telling the truth.

Again this obsession with them being Jews.

Doesn't change the fact that neither them nor You are capable of backing up those sensationalist claims. And the pattern is reoccurring.

LOL according to MontiNazi there wasn't a single Jew in Israel before the 1930's.

 

[rylah]

Why is that each time You guys present the revisionist Zionist narrative there're never ORIGINAL SOURCES to back it up?

The claims are always great "From Israeli intelligence documents" or "from the works of X Rabbi". But somehow it's always goes back to the books of Morris, Sand and the like, who themselves contradict and criticize each other..

Posting revisionist history without backing it up with the sources the claim they use, is hardly presenting FACTS.

The AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS is revisionist?

Did I say that?
Your first link to what You've mistakingly referred as 'fact' is a story based on invented facts those revisionist historians invented and were caught doing so.
Therefore I ask for the SOURCE of those declassified documents they claim to quote.

Meanwhile the pattern shows those sources to be their books only.

MontiNazi does that all the time. He mutilates documents, misquotes, and intentionally posts the wrong link. The propagandist thinks he's fooling anyone. I wouldn't trust anything this clown posts as far as I could spit.

With a simple search one can find a couple of posts where I gathered
Monte's graphic manipulation of documents, calls for genocide of all non Christians and more of such ''wisdom'.

Antisemites and Islamo-propagandists have no intellectual honesty, moral or ethics. Most of them are mentally ill, with a predisposition for violence.

What they don't realize is that throughout history people have been collecting their records, so that the next generations see their stupidity clearly.
Today it's even easier with the Internet enabling us to trigger these people and show their true face, while they brag about it.

 

[teddyearp]

The point you skip right past is clear and simple too.

You're the one who is skipping, skippy. But it is to be expected of the electronic intifada. Instead of answering a simple YES OR NO question, you deflect and then project this lack of answering a question upon the other.

 

[teddyearp]

Although the occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law and the measures used to suppress the Palestinian people are violations of humanitarian law, the UN Security Council does not enforce the law and the Palestine Liberation Organization has failed to defend the Palestinian people with the result that the Israelis are de facto answerable to no-one but themselves.

Israel is now an apartheid state and the West Bank is considered an integral part of this state, known to the Israelis as Sumeria and Judea. From the Israeli point of view, therefore, the civilian settlers have a right to be in the Occupied Territories without being subject to military courts as the Palestinians are. The settlers, nevertheless, remain civilians regardless of their use by the Israeli government to secure its occupation and cannot be regarded as a military target by resistance fighters.

While I do not agree with everything you said here, I did hit agree because of your last sentence as it is relevant to this thread. I totally agree with that.

 

[teddyearp]

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

For ****'s sake monti, are you ever going to take off your blinders and learn something new? Oh yeah, that's right, you won't:

 

[rylah]

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

For ****'s sake monti, are you ever going to take off your blinders and learn something new? Oh yeah, that's right, you won't:

He already has, this is the stage of ridiculing we're witnessing.
However it might take a harder punch from reality.