Israeli Settlers: Are They ‘Civilians’ or Legitimate Military Targets?

If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.
If I'm not mistaken I read Gaza is not under Israeli control since 2005/2006. To be more sure I should look for that on the web :)
Why don't you do just that.
"The United Nations says it does not matter that Israeli soldiers are not based inside the strip; they have “effective control.”
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
This is plainly untrue. The Palestinian Authority act in a similar fashion as the Judenräte in the Jewish ghettos under Nazi occupation of Poland during WWII, as you well know.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.
If I'm not mistaken I read Gaza is not under Israeli control since 2005/2006. To be more sure I should look for that on the web :)
Why don't you do just that.
"The United Nations says it does not matter that Israeli soldiers are not based inside the strip; they have “effective control.”
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?
Well...I didn't know anything about the blockade of Gaza. Maybe this is not like being occupied by another country but it's not like living in a free country... :eek-52:
Honestly I don't understand why Israelis maintain that blockade... :eusa_think:
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.
If I'm not mistaken I read Gaza is not under Israeli control since 2005/2006. To be more sure I should look for that on the web :)
Why don't you do just that.
"The United Nations says it does not matter that Israeli soldiers are not based inside the strip; they have “effective control.”
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?
Well...I didn't know anything about the blockade of Gaza. Maybe this is not like being occupied by another country but it's not like living in a free country... :eek-52:
Honestly I don't understand why Israelis maintain that blockade... :eusa_think:

Because Hamas shoots rockets into Israel from Gaza.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.
If I'm not mistaken I read Gaza is not under Israeli control since 2005/2006. To be more sure I should look for that on the web :)
Why don't you do just that.
"The United Nations says it does not matter that Israeli soldiers are not based inside the strip; they have “effective control.”
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?
Well...I didn't know anything about the blockade of Gaza. Maybe this is not like being occupied by another country but it's not like living in a free country... :eek-52:
Honestly I don't understand why Israelis maintain that blockade... :eusa_think:

Egypt also has an effective blockade along the frontier with Gaza, and for practical reasons.

Hamas urges Egypt to loosen Gaza blockade after 'worst year'

Hamas called for Egypt to loosen restrictions on the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, a delegate said, after officials from the group travelled to Cairo seeking to mend strained relations.

Senior official Khalil al-Haya said Hamas had begged Egypt to allow more traffic through the Rafa border crossing with the Gaza Strip, the enclave's only transit point not controlled by Israel.

Egypt has largely kept its border with Gaza closed since 2013 and has destroyed hundreds of Palestinian tunnels used to smuggle commercial goods, cash, people and, allegedly, weapons.

The Hamas interior ministry said 2015 was "the worst year for Rafah in recent years," when the border crossing was open for just 21 days in total.

Relations have soured between Hamas and Cairo since the 2013 overthrow of Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi, a member of the now-blacklisted and Hamas-allied Muslim Brotherhood movement.
 
Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Ah no. We most certainly do not all agree that civilians are military targets.

BUT if you believe that civilians are legitimate targets -- then Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets.
Not true. Occupied people are protected. It is the occupying people who are not.

If you are talking about civilians (especially women and children), that is a vile statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Don't blame me. I just quoted the Geneva Convention.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.

Their trade and travel engaging in Islamic terrorism is controlled.

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.

Their trade and travel engaging in Islamic terrorism is controlled.

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.
Israeli bullshit.

Ignored.
 
If someone stole your home in any civilized place on earth, they go to jail. Israel actually funds this behavior. They move in behind an army. How are these theives and murderers "civilians?"

Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.
If I'm not mistaken I read Gaza is not under Israeli control since 2005/2006. To be more sure I should look for that on the web :)
Why don't you do just that.
"The United Nations says it does not matter that Israeli soldiers are not based inside the strip; they have “effective control.”
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?
Well...I didn't know anything about the blockade of Gaza. Maybe this is not like being occupied by another country but it's not like living in a free country... :eek-52:
Honestly I don't understand why Israelis maintain that blockade... :eusa_think:
Israelis don't like weapons being smuggled into Gaza.
Egyptians don't like weapons being smuggled into Gaza.
 
Are you American? Living on First Nations lands? That makes you a military target, then, right?


No Jews are settling on land which is under Palestinian authority and control (Areas A and B and Gaza). No one is stealing their homes.

Area C is under Israeli control, by treaty (which means by law). There are about 50,000 Arab citizens under Palestinian authority who live in Area C. Some of them are landowners. Their private land is protected by Israeli and international law (though the land laws are complicated). So no one is stealing their homes. (Though they do have difficulty obtaining building permits to expand their villages, and often lack proper infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and water facilities. I think people can properly be critical of Israel for these things.)

The remaining land in Area C is not privately owned and is unoccupied. These are the areas where Jewish people settle. It is not land owned by Palestinian Arabs and it is not land under the sovereignty of Palestine. Area C is disputed land. Its disputed because both "Palestine" and Israel claim it (or parts of it). By international treaty, the only way to determine the final status of any of this territory is by negotiation and treaty between the parties to the dispute. When a final treaty is negotiated, sovereignty will be finalized and, if past practices are maintained, all residents of each territory will gain citizenship of the sovereign in whose territory they reside. So again, no one is stealing anyone's homes.

Your entire premise is invalid.
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.

Their trade and travel engaging in Islamic terrorism is controlled.

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.
Israeli bullshit.

Ignored.

Your ignorance is yours to deal with.

Don't be clueless to the fact that the Egyptian government has also taken a hard line with the Gaza / Fatah terrorists.

Egypt has no reason to allow anymore Islamic terrorist nonsense affirming its decision by destroying Pal'istanian tunnels.


Egypt destroys 12 Gaza smuggling tunnels
 
The entire Occupied Palestine, including Gaza, is under Israeli control.

Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.

Their trade and travel engaging in Islamic terrorism is controlled.

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.
Israeli bullshit.

Ignored.

Your ignorance is yours to deal with.

Don't be clueless to the fact that the Egyptian government has also taken a hard line with the Gaza / Fatah terrorists.

Egypt has no reason to allow anymore Islamic terrorist nonsense affirming its decision by destroying Pal'istanian tunnels.


Egypt destroys 12 Gaza smuggling tunnels
Relevance?
 
Over 95% of Palestinians in the West Bank today live under PA rule and control.
Their trade and travel is controlled by Israel.

Their trade and travel engaging in Islamic terrorism is controlled.

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.
Israeli bullshit.

Ignored.

Your ignorance is yours to deal with.

Don't be clueless to the fact that the Egyptian government has also taken a hard line with the Gaza / Fatah terrorists.

Egypt has no reason to allow anymore Islamic terrorist nonsense affirming its decision by destroying Pal'istanian tunnels.


Egypt destroys 12 Gaza smuggling tunnels
Relevance?

Relevant.

It's hilarious when you're left so befuddled. You typically resort to pointless spamming.
 
If you are talking about civilians (especially women and children), that is a vile statement. You should be ashamed of yourself.
See how full of shit you are? When the Jews who think they can steal land and murder the indiginous people start to love their women and children more than they love thieving and murdering, this becomes a non sequitur.
 
The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
 
The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
I don't recall anyone saying that.
 
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The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
I don't recall anyone saying that.

And I don't recall anyone on this thread saying clearly that it was not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians. Except me. Wanna join me?
 
The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
I don't recall anyone saying that.

And I don't recall anyone on this thread saying clearly that it was not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians. Except me. Wanna join me?

It's not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians.
 
The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
I don't recall anyone saying that.

And I don't recall anyone on this thread saying clearly that it was not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians. Except me. Wanna join me?

It's not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians.
Besides the fact that you and idiot shusha keep referring to thieves and murderers as civilians, let's examine your position more closely.


Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed
September 29, 2000 - Present




134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,154 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. (View Sources & More Information)



Remember These Children: About Us
 
The presence of people of the "wrong" culture, ethnicity or faith on the "wrong" side of some imaginary line is not justification to murder innocent people.

The fact that we have spend 20 pages even contemplating it is disgusting. The fact that we have members openly calling for and supporting this is disgusting.

What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
What do you DO with people who think it is morally and legally permissible to kill babies? How do you confront that sort of evil?
I don't recall anyone saying that.

And I don't recall anyone on this thread saying clearly that it was not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians. Except me. Wanna join me?

It's not morally or legally permissible to kill civilians.
Let me remind you that Palestine has no army.
 
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