Israeli Settlers: Are They ‘Civilians’ or Legitimate Military Targets?

[montelatici]

Although the occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law and the measures used to suppress the Palestinian people are violations of humanitarian law, the UN Security Council does not enforce the law and the Palestine Liberation Organization has failed to defend the Palestinian people with the result that the Israelis are de facto answerable to no-one but themselves.

Israel is now an apartheid state and the West Bank is considered an integral part of this state, known to the Israelis as Sumeria and Judea. From the Israeli point of view, therefore, the civilian settlers have a right to be in the Occupied Territories without being subject to military courts as the Palestinians are. The settlers, nevertheless, remain civilians regardless of their use by the Israeli government to secure its occupation and cannot be regarded as a military target by resistance fighters.

The so called "occupied territories" are actually refugees created as a result of failed wars and acts of aggression the Arab nations started. The purpose of the wars was to "drive the Jews into the sea", they told the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" to either join them in the total destruction of Israel, or get out of the way. The purpose of these wars was never ever to create this fictional "Palestine", it was to destroy Israel and divide the proceeds between themselves.

When the Arabs first failed in 1948, the Jordanians and Egyptians occupied the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years while keeping the Palestinians" in concentration like conditions, while plotting to use the lands for another deadly war or attack against Israel. Not ine peep from any "Palestinian" or Arab about this mythical "Palestine", in fact the Arabs themselves scoffed at that idea themselves. The Arabs tried many times to destroy Israel, but finally lost control of those lands in the 67 war. So technically it's conquered territory and it's tough shit for the Arabs.

Historically, it's the ancient religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews. In other words Israel shouldn't give an inch of the land. It did when it gave Gaza back and it got Arab terririst animals shooting rockets at it.

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

 

[montelatici]

Noone is stealing homes? THEY HAVE STOLEN ENTIRE CITIES AND TOWNS WITH BULLDOZERS, AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, APACHE HELICOPTERS AND BOMBS.

You are so full of shit. Does bulldozing homes and then building new ones for Jews only mean anything to you?

Bulldozing terrorist animals homes is good for humanity. It's like the MOAB Trump just dropped in Afghanistan. I'm upset Israel doesn't bomb the shit out of the Palestinian terrorist animals' homes.

You and your kind are the terrorist animals.

Awww did Mohamad lose his temper? Ha ha ha. I'll ignore that violation this time. Arab Muslims who now call themselves Palestinians are governed entirely by terrorist animals, no different than Al Queda or ISIS. It's the same evil cult that came from the Muslim Brotherhood.

Do you think calling Palestinians animals is not a violation?

 

[Roudy]

The so called "occupied territories" are actually refugees created as a result of failed wars and acts of aggression the Arab nations started. The purpose of the wars was to "drive the Jews into the sea", they told the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" to either join them in the total destruction of Israel, or get out of the way. The purpose of these wars was never ever to create this fictional "Palestine", it was to destroy Israel and divide the proceeds between themselves.

When the Arabs first failed in 1948, the Jordanians and Egyptians occupied the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years while keeping the Palestinians" in concentration like conditions, while plotting to use the lands for another deadly war or attack against Israel. Not ine peep from any "Palestinian" or Arab about this mythical "Palestine", in fact the Arabs themselves scoffed at that idea themselves. The Arabs tried many times to destroy Israel, but finally lost control of those lands in the 67 war. So technically it's conquered territory and it's tough shit for the Arabs.

Historically, it's the ancient religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews. In other words Israel shouldn't give an inch of the land. It did when it gave Gaza back and it got Arab terririst animals shooting rockets at it.

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

 

[Roudy]

Noone is stealing homes? THEY HAVE STOLEN ENTIRE CITIES AND TOWNS WITH BULLDOZERS, AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, APACHE HELICOPTERS AND BOMBS.

You are so full of shit. Does bulldozing homes and then building new ones for Jews only mean anything to you?

Bulldozing terrorist animals homes is good for humanity. It's like the MOAB Trump just dropped in Afghanistan. I'm upset Israel doesn't bomb the shit out of the Palestinian terrorist animals' homes.

You and your kind are the terrorist animals.

Awww did Mohamad lose his temper? Ha ha ha. I'll ignore that violation this time. Arab Muslims who now call themselves Palestinians are governed entirely by terrorist animals, no different than Al Queda or ISIS. It's the same evil cult that came from the Muslim Brotherhood.

Do you think calling Palestinians animals is not a violation?

No it isn't. I'm calling the terrorists who target women and kids, and anybody who subscribes to or justifies this mentality, as is the topic of this thread, "animals". That would include you and Achmed Looloo666.

 

[Roudy]

Like I said, problem started with the Arabs, Israel simply defended itself:

Even Jordan’s King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

 

[louie888]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

 

[Roudy]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

Well then, Israel will simply continue to send the terrorist animals to their 72 virgin donkeys. It's the only language they understand, plus, they're doing them a favor, aren't they, Achmed Looloo666?

 

[Hollie]

The so called "occupied territories" are actually refugees created as a result of failed wars and acts of aggression the Arab nations started. The purpose of the wars was to "drive the Jews into the sea", they told the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" to either join them in the total destruction of Israel, or get out of the way. The purpose of these wars was never ever to create this fictional "Palestine", it was to destroy Israel and divide the proceeds between themselves.

When the Arabs first failed in 1948, the Jordanians and Egyptians occupied the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years while keeping the Palestinians" in concentration like conditions, while plotting to use the lands for another deadly war or attack against Israel. Not ine peep from any "Palestinian" or Arab about this mythical "Palestine", in fact the Arabs themselves scoffed at that idea themselves. The Arabs tried many times to destroy Israel, but finally lost control of those lands in the 67 war. So technically it's conquered territory and it's tough shit for the Arabs.

Historically, it's the ancient religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews. In other words Israel shouldn't give an inch of the land. It did when it gave Gaza back and it got Arab terririst animals shooting rockets at it.

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

Monty'ism Alert!

It's always important to fact check when The Monty starts blustering with terms such as "a unimpeachable source". That a Monty'ism for "I've invented alternate facts that comport with my alternate, Jew hating universe".

Assassination of King Abdullah

Assassination of King Abdullah

Arab assailant killed

Shots at gate of Jerusalem mosque

Guardian

Saturday 21 July 1951 11.19 EDTFirst published on Saturday 21 July 1951 11.19 EDT

King Abdullah of Jordan was assassinated at the entrance to the El Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. His assailant, who was shot dead by the bodyguard, was an Arab who had been a member of a military force associated with the ex-Mufti of Jerusalem.

Assassin a follower of the ex-Mufti

King Abdullah of Jordan was assassinated by an Arab yesterday at the entrance to the El Aqsa Mosque, in the Old City of Jerusalem. The assassin, who had hidden behind the main gate of the mosque, shot at close range and was himself immediately shot dead by the King's bodyguard.

The assassin is reported to have been identified as Mustafa Shukri Ashshu, a 21-year-old tailor in the Old City. During the Arab-Jewish war he was a member of the "dynamite squad" attached to the Arab irregular forces which were associated with the ex-Mufti of Jerusalem and became bitter enemies of Abdullah. Information was received at the Jordan Legation in London last night that several men were concerned in the crime.




Gee whiz. It seems that I found no mention of "Pal'istanian" in the Guardian article. Could it be that The Monty is tasked with selectively identifying what is, and what is not, "a unimpeachable source"?

 

[louie888]

Thanks for admitting that the so called settlers are in fact legit targets.

 

[Hollie]

Since we all agree that if foreigners tried to steal our homes and kill our children that it would be our right to fight. So, we all agree that yes, the "settlers" are definitely military targets as they have thieved and murdered.

/end thread

So, you are in agreement that the land stealing Arabs-Moslems are legitimate targets.

The Real Illegal Settlements

 

[montelatici]

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

• Thu 13 May 1948
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Surrender Of Jaffa - Australian Associated Press JERUSALEM, May 12. - The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) - 13 May 1948

 

[Roudy]

How can the native people that were living on the land be aggressors and invaders from Europe be the victims.

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

Monty'ism Alert!

It's always important to fact check when The Monty starts blustering with terms such as "a unimpeachable source". That a Monty'ism for "I've invented alternate facts that comport with my alternate, Jew hating universe".

Assassination of King Abdullah

Assassination of King Abdullah

Arab assailant killed

Shots at gate of Jerusalem mosque

Guardian

Saturday 21 July 1951 11.19 EDTFirst published on Saturday 21 July 1951 11.19 EDT

King Abdullah of Jordan was assassinated at the entrance to the El Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. His assailant, who was shot dead by the bodyguard, was an Arab who had been a member of a military force associated with the ex-Mufti of Jerusalem.

Assassin a follower of the ex-Mufti

King Abdullah of Jordan was assassinated by an Arab yesterday at the entrance to the El Aqsa Mosque, in the Old City of Jerusalem. The assassin, who had hidden behind the main gate of the mosque, shot at close range and was himself immediately shot dead by the King's bodyguard.

The assassin is reported to have been identified as Mustafa Shukri Ashshu, a 21-year-old tailor in the Old City. During the Arab-Jewish war he was a member of the "dynamite squad" attached to the Arab irregular forces which were associated with the ex-Mufti of Jerusalem and became bitter enemies of Abdullah. Information was received at the Jordan Legation in London last night that several men were concerned in the crime.




Gee whiz. It seems that I found no mention of "Pal'istanian" in the Guardian article. Could it be that The Monty is tasked with selectively identifying what is, and what is not, "a unimpeachable source"?

Aha, notice how that dirtbag Nazi Mufti, is always at the heart and root of all the problems in the region?

 

[Roudy]

How shmow. You keep repeating the same false irrelvant baloney over and over. The Arab nations attacked Israel, lost the war, then occupied and kept the Arab refugees (who later called themselves Palestinians) they created in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, before they attacked again and finally lost those lands.

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Mohammad, your bullshit is quite funny. The problem was started by Arab animals attacking the Jewish state, and the refugees which were created as a result of their constant failures.

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

 

[louie888]

The Christians and Muslims were living in Palestine for thousands of years, the Europeans came from Europe and took their land. What is so difficult to understand.

The Arab League did not attack any of the land in the Jewish partition. The Arab League intervened in the Arab and international areas to try to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims and Christians by the invading Europeans.

Jaffa, after a siege of several weeks, was within the Arab area and surrendered to the invading Europeans before the state of Israel was even declared and before the Arab League intervention. You just can't accept the facts. This was true of smaller Arab towns and villages invaded by the Europeans.

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Mohammad, your bullshit is quite funny. The problem was started by Arab animals attacking the Jewish state, and the refugees which were created as a result of their constant failures.

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

Are you actually so stupid that you don't realize that if the Jews stayed in Europe that there would be no Muslim retaliation?

 

[Roudy]

Here's another gem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

 

[montelatici]

Like I said, problem started with the Arabs, Israel simply defended itself:

Even Jordan’s King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

You are a liar and propagandist, no links to your propaganda sources, as usual/

The Jews invaded and attacked long before the Arab League intervened to try to stop the Jews from slaughtering Muslims and Christians. As The British reported.


British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'

After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[montelatici]

Here's another gem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

So, you are admitting that the Muslims and Christians needed to be rescued from the murderous Jews. That's a step in the right direction.

 

[Roudy]

Bullshit! The Egyptians and Jordanians were in total control of the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, after the unsuccessful attack in 1948. Not one Arab Muslim or Christian brought forward this idea of a mythical Palestine and Palestinian people. The wars against Israel were never to create this mythical Palestine. Instead they kept the refugees created by their first war aka the new and invented "Palestinians" in miserable conditions for 20 years (by their own leaders accounts) and then used those same areas for another attack on Israel, resulting in a humiliating defeat causing Israel to gain control of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel did not "occupy" any Palestinian land, it defeated itself and then conquered the land occupied by the Jordanians and Egyptians. That is factual irrefutable history.

You are such an ignorant, lying piece of crap.

From a unimpeachable source, before your damn Hasbara propaganda machine had a chance to create alternate facts.



"July 20, 1951
King of Jordan assassinated




While entering a mosque in the Jordanian sector of east Jerusalem, King Abdullah of Jordan is assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist."

King of Jordan assassinated - Jul 20, 1951 - HISTORY.com

ha ha ha. You are such an ignorant ****. All you proved was that the problem was indeed started by the Arab nations.

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

You sure can belt out the propaganda sources. That's all you read.

Now for facts, from Israeli intelligence:

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

The fake article you posted about Jaffa is easily disproved. There is no doubt about the surrender after the Jew siege of several weeks, which took place before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. As you can see below from the newspaper article, Jaffa surrendered to the Jews on 12 May, 1948. No one told the people of Jaffa to leave you moron. I'll always catch your propaganda and lies and provide real news, not fake news to prove my point, which is always on point. Pardon the pun.

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Mohammad, your bullshit is quite funny. The problem was started by Arab animals attacking the Jewish state, and the refugees which were created as a result of their constant failures.

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

Are you actually so stupid that you don't realize that if the Jews stayed in Europe that there would be no Muslim retaliation?

Are you actually so stupid that you don't realize that the land is ancient Jewish land, and many Jews were already there and had been immigrating back and forth keeping a presence for thousands of years, and especially during the last 700 years of the Ottoman empire after the Ottomans defeated the Arab invaders?

 

[Roudy]

Like I said, problem started with the Arabs, Israel simply defended itself:

Even Jordan’s King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

You are a liar and propagandist, no links to your propaganda sources, as usual/

The Jews invaded and attacked long before the Arab League intervened to try to stop the Jews from slaughtering Muslims and Christians. As The British reported.


British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'

After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

Yeah, so, all you're saying is the Arabs started the aggression, a civil war erupted, the Arabs were losing, many Arab nations joined in to help the Arabs, and they got their butts kicked too! Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Here's another gem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

So, you are admitting that the Muslims and Christians needed to be rescued from the murderous Jews. That's a step in the right direction.

You need to stay off the drugs and read this again:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)