Israel violates international law

[Kondor3]

Indeed, the vast majority of Palestinians have ancestors who predate Ottoman rule.

Cool.

And they'll have plenty of time to update their family genealogy tree-records, once they're happily resettled someplace else, and out of harms' way, and where they, in turn, can do no harm.

Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, want to end up in court (and usually die of old age) in the Hague like those Serbs who tried the ethnically cleanse the Muslims from Bosnia?

That court decision will come in handy, to supplement the Israeli supply of toilet paper.

 

[Shaarona]

"...The Muslims didn't get 3 countries... They already lived there."

After spending centuries taking them from others...

Arabs have been all over the Levant, Syria etc for thousands of years.. long before Islam.. They began migrating from the Arabian peninsula between 10,000 and 6,000 BC.

 

[Indeependent]

This is the goal of many Israelis. They wish to force the millions of non-Jews in the West Bank to move to another state. It is because of this goal that Israel has so many enemies throughout the world. It is because of this goal that Israel has very few fans.

The only problem is those millions of non Jews have already admitted that they came from other nations, and once the problems are over will move back home.

Total bullshit.

I prefer "Complete".

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...The Muslims didn't get 3 countries... They already lived there."

After spending centuries taking them from others...

Arabs have been all over the Levant, Syria etc for thousands of years.. long before Islam.. They began migrating from the Arabian peninsula between 10,000 and 6,000 BC.

Ah, so you admit they are foreigners?

 

[Phoenall]

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

The 4th Geneva Conventions clearly states that even if only one party to a conflict is a signatory of the Conventions, that one state is still bound by its commitments.

Israel signed the 4th Geneva Conventions and is therefore legally bound by them until such time as they withdraw from it.

If Israel and Israelis feel that the protections for people set forth in the 4th Geneva Conventions are too cumbersome, too much of a burden or get in the way of their nationalist/irredentalist desires, they should withdraw from the Conventions. And for that matter withdraw from the United Nations.

It can not contradict itself by claiming those not bound to the convention should still be afforded the rights of the convention. The above from the convention itself spells it out that nationals of a nation not bound by the conventions are not covered by the convention.

You would like Israel to do that right up until it told the UN to go away while it sorts the Palestine problem. You are so stupid that you do not understand that withdrawing from the UN would leave the way open for WW3 to kick of when Israel refused to stop defending itself from terrorist attacks. No more cease fires, no more armistice lines, no more peace talks and no more Palestine or gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

Who you calling an airhead?
You are a fine one to vilify Israel when it adheres to far more than some of the above countries.

UN resolutions are non-binding.

Which UN resolutions are non-binding?

UN General Assembly resolution 273 which accepts Israel as a full member of the UN?

UN Security Council resolution 242 which calls for all states in the region to respect each others' borders and live in full peace?

All of them as all they are, are recommendations and have no status in law. The only aspects of the UN that are binding are those were member states go to war at the request of the UNSC. Look it up it is in the UN charter, and any nation not a member is not covered by the UN resolutions.

Stall want Israel out of the UN like Palestine is ?

 

[Shaarona]

After spending centuries taking them from others...

Arabs have been all over the Levant, Syria etc for thousands of years.. long before Islam.. They began migrating from the Arabian peninsula between 10,000 and 6,000 BC.

Ah, so you admit they are foreigners?

How is that different than "Jewish" migrations to Egypt, North Africa, Yemen, Iran, Iraq 2500 years ago?

In 1500 Hebron was an Arab town.. Some Jewish families who were expelled from Spain and Portugal settled in Hebron without incident.

 

[Phoenall]

The UN is a joke. Enough said.

12 November 2013 – The General Assembly today elected 14 countries to serve on the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) for a period of three years beginning on 1 January 2014.

Algeria, China, Cuba, France Maldives, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Viet Nam, Russia, and United Kingdom, were elected by secret ballot today at UN Headquarters in New York.

If the UN is a joke why do many Israelis cite the UN Charter to defend their stance that their settlements in the West Bank are legal according to international law?

For exactly the same reason you afford the west bank with protected status when it is not afforded it by the Geneva conventions. It suits your POV and you think it increases the legal standing of your posts.

 

[montelatici]

Cool.

And they'll have plenty of time to update their family genealogy tree-records, once they're happily resettled someplace else, and out of harms' way, and where they, in turn, can do no harm.

Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, want to end up in court (and usually die of old age) in the Hague like those Serbs who tried the ethnically cleanse the Muslims from Bosnia?

That court decision will come in handy, to supplement the Israeli supply of toilet paper.

That's what those Serb leaders thought, too. All are dead or in prison now.

 

[Phoenall]

as has been explained to you repeatedly, Israel is not in violation of international law. but assuming arguendo it was,

why aren't you making the same demands of palestinians who have received billions of dollars from us?

oh wait… i know!

Of course Israel is in violation of international law.

They are in violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions, the Mandate for Palestine, and the UN Charter.

The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

 

[Phoenall]

Can you be specific as to the facilities confiscated and whether or not those facilities were being used for potential military type operations?

Israel has confiscated tens of thousands of dunams of land in the West Bank that belong to Arab private property owners.

Peace Now conducted a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all settlements in the West Bank using information provided to them by the Israeli government and found that around 33% of all settlement land is in fact Arab private property that was seized by Israel since 1967 for military purposes.

This violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

NOPE as the west bank is not covered by the Geneva conventions not being bound by them.

 

[Victory67]

The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

Its funny you say that the Mandate for Palestine is no longer valid because many Israelis argue that the promises made to the Jews in the Mandate are still valid.

Of course the Geneva Conventions covers the West Bank. It has a section just about Occupied Territories and the West Bank are clearly Occupied Territories.

The West Bank was legally Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and now it is legally Occupied by Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't help that Israel destroys olive trees and homes.. It doesn't help that they take land.... and water.

It doesn't help that the West Bank settlement homes are Jewish only.. and roads are Jewish only.

Take a lesson from the SodaStream manufacturer.. Jews and Muslims work together... and get along fine.

Tell it to the Palestinians they are the ones causing the problems

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs have been all over the Levant, Syria etc for thousands of years.. long before Islam.. They began migrating from the Arabian peninsula between 10,000 and 6,000 BC.

Ah, so you admit they are foreigners?

How is that different than "Jewish" migrations to Egypt, North Africa, Yemen, Iran, Iraq 2500 years ago?

In 1500 Hebron was an Arab town.. Some Jewish families who were expelled from Spain and Portugal settled in Hebron without incident.

Indeed, The whole "we were here first" thing is a crock of crap.

The deciding factor is that all Turkish citizens became Palestinian citizens per the Treaty of Lausanne when Palestine became the successor state. Anything else is legally irrelevant.

 

[Indeependent]

The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

Its funny you say that the Mandate for Palestine is no longer valid because many Israelis argue that the promises made to the Jews in the Mandate are still valid.

Of course the Geneva Conventions covers the West Bank. It has a section just about Occupied Territories and the West Bank are clearly Occupied Territories.

The West Bank was legally Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and now it is legally Occupied by Israel.

The West Bank of Jordan was OCCUPIED by Jordan or was PART of Jordan?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The UN is a joke. Enough said.

12 November 2013 – The General Assembly today elected 14 countries to serve on the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) for a period of three years beginning on 1 January 2014.

Algeria, China, Cuba, France Maldives, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Viet Nam, Russia, and United Kingdom, were elected by secret ballot today at UN Headquarters in New York.

If the UN is a joke why do many Israelis cite the UN Charter to defend their stance that their settlements in the West Bank are legal according to international law?

For exactly the same reason you afford the west bank with protected status when it is not afforded it by the Geneva conventions. It suits your POV and you think it increases the legal standing of your posts.

The UN now is a joke. Look how it speaks against Israel yet allows genocides elsewhere to go on without a comment. The Jewish people's right to the land which includes the West Bank is protected in Law from the League of Nations and no Law has taken that right away, no Law at all.

 

[Shaarona]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.


(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't help that Israel destroys olive trees and homes.. It doesn't help that they take land.... and water.

It doesn't help that the West Bank settlement homes are Jewish only.. and roads are Jewish only.

Take a lesson from the SodaStream manufacturer.. Jews and Muslims work together... and get along fine.

Tell it to the Palestinians they are the ones causing the problems

I remember BEFORE the 67 war.. I remember there were no settlements, checkpoints or soldiers. There were NO rock throwing children.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't like it?

Pick up a rifle and fight for the Palestinians.

Their Arab neighbors sure-as-hell won't, any more.

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Such disregarding of international laws that Israel has sworn to abide by and ignoring the rights of other peoples is one of the many reason why many throughout the world don't take Israel's side and want to boycott Israel.

I don't agree with them for the most part but I do understand their reasonings, based on the attitudes you have expressed. They are not condusive to a friendly relationshio between Israel and the rest of humanity.

No International laws apply so take it to a board that cares about your NAZI JEW HATRED

 

[P F Tinmore]

The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

Its funny you say that the Mandate for Palestine is no longer valid because many Israelis argue that the promises made to the Jews in the Mandate are still valid.

Of course the Geneva Conventions covers the West Bank. It has a section just about Occupied Territories and the West Bank are clearly Occupied Territories.

The West Bank was legally Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and now it is legally Occupied by Israel.

The West Bank of Jordan was OCCUPIED by Jordan or was PART of Jordan?

Occupied. It was occupied Palestinian land.

 

[Shaarona]

Don't like it?

Pick up a rifle and fight for the Palestinians.

Their Arab neighbors sure-as-hell won't, any more.

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Such disregarding of international laws that Israel has sworn to abide by and ignoring the rights of other peoples is one of the many reason why many throughout the world don't take Israel's side and want to boycott Israel.

I don't agree with them for the most part but I do understand their reasonings, based on the attitudes you have expressed. They are not condusive to a friendly relationshio between Israel and the rest of humanity.

No International laws apply so take it to a board that cares about your NAZI JEW HATRED

Your language fuels hatred.