Israel violates international law

[Kondor3]

Yep. Life isn't always fair. Shit happens. Like I said, the Palestinians are in the way, and need to be moved. Perhaps The UN should help the Palestinians resettle elsewhere, if it really wants to be helpful, eh?

This is the goal of many Israelis. They wish to force the millions of non-Jews in the West Bank to move to another state. It is because of this goal that Israel has so many enemies throughout the world. It is because of this goal that Israel has very few fans.

By Jove, I think you've got it...

The Jews have always had very few friends in the world, as a scattered people...

The Jews have a few more friends, as a unified people, but only a few...

They're accustomed to that, through long centuries of oppression and pogrom...

Nothing new to them...

They don't need a lot of friends...

But they're glad to include us at the top of that short list...

 

[Kondor3]

"...Israel has committed to abide by the 4th Geneva Conventions, and openly flaunting that they have the right to abide by them when they see fit and ignore them when they see fit is one of the many reasons why Israel gets so much criticism and has many enemies throughout the world. Perhaps if they commited to remaining true to the 4th Geneva Conventions and acted in such a manner they would have more friends."

They need to survive, more than they need friends.

They abide by various treaties and law insofar as is practicable for them under their circumstances, but when those get in the way of survival matters, survival comes first. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

 

[Victory67]

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

The 4th Geneva Conventions clearly states that even if only one party to a conflict is a signatory of the Conventions, that one state is still bound by its commitments.

Israel signed the 4th Geneva Conventions and is therefore legally bound by them until such time as they withdraw from it.

If Israel and Israelis feel that the protections for people set forth in the 4th Geneva Conventions are too cumbersome, too much of a burden or get in the way of their nationalist/irredentalist desires, they should withdraw from the Conventions. And for that matter withdraw from the United Nations.

 

[Victory67]

Who you calling an airhead?
You are a fine one to vilify Israel when it adheres to far more than some of the above countries.

UN resolutions are non-binding.

Which UN resolutions are non-binding?

UN General Assembly resolution 273 which accepts Israel as a full member of the UN?

UN Security Council resolution 242 which calls for all states in the region to respect each others' borders and live in full peace?

 

[Victory67]

The UN is a joke. Enough said.

12 November 2013 – The General Assembly today elected 14 countries to serve on the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) for a period of three years beginning on 1 January 2014.

Algeria, China, Cuba, France Maldives, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Viet Nam, Russia, and United Kingdom, were elected by secret ballot today at UN Headquarters in New York.

If the UN is a joke why do many Israelis cite the UN Charter to defend their stance that their settlements in the West Bank are legal according to international law?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.

Israel has also confiscated Arab private land and then used it for Israeli civilian settlements which clearly violates the 4th Geneva Conventions stipulations regarding Occupied Territory.

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Victory67]

as has been explained to you repeatedly, Israel is not in violation of international law. but assuming arguendo it was,

why aren't you making the same demands of palestinians who have received billions of dollars from us?

oh wait… i know!

Of course Israel is in violation of international law.

They are in violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions, the Mandate for Palestine, and the UN Charter.

 

[Victory67]

Can you be specific as to the facilities confiscated and whether or not those facilities were being used for potential military type operations?

Israel has confiscated tens of thousands of dunams of land in the West Bank that belong to Arab private property owners.

Peace Now conducted a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all settlements in the West Bank using information provided to them by the Israeli government and found that around 33% of all settlement land is in fact Arab private property that was seized by Israel since 1967 for military purposes.

This violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

 

[Kondor3]

as has been explained to you repeatedly, Israel is not in violation of international law. but assuming arguendo it was, why aren't you making the same demands of palestinians who have received billions of dollars from us? oh wait… i know!

Of course Israel is in violation of international law. They are in violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions, the Mandate for Palestine, and the UN Charter.

Fun, ain't it?

 

[Kondor3]

Can you be specific as to the facilities confiscated and whether or not those facilities were being used for potential military type operations?

Israel has confiscated tens of thousands of dunams of land in the West Bank that belong to Arab private property owners. Peace Now conducted a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all settlements in the West Bank using information provided to them by the Israeli government and found that around 33% of all settlement land is in fact Arab private property that was seized by Israel since 1967 for military purposes. This violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Don't like it?

Pick up a rifle and fight for the Palestinians.

Their Arab neighbors sure-as-hell won't, any more.

 

[Shaarona]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't help that Israel destroys olive trees and homes.. It doesn't help that they take land.... and water.

It doesn't help that the West Bank settlement homes are Jewish only.. and roads are Jewish only.

Take a lesson from the SodaStream manufacturer.. Jews and Muslims work together... and get along fine.

 

[Kondor3]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel has also confiscated Arab private land and then used it for Israeli civilian settlements which clearly violates the 4th Geneva Conventions stipulations regarding Occupied Territory.

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

Article 4 isn't the only law, dummy.

Your buddies are still terrorists.

 

[Victory67]

Don't like it?

Pick up a rifle and fight for the Palestinians.

Their Arab neighbors sure-as-hell won't, any more.

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Such disregarding of international laws that Israel has sworn to abide by and ignoring the rights of other peoples is one of the many reason why many throughout the world don't take Israel's side and want to boycott Israel.

I don't agree with them for the most part but I do understand their reasonings, based on the attitudes you have expressed. They are not condusive to a friendly relationshio between Israel and the rest of humanity.

 

[Shaarona]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Have the Palestinians attacked anyone outside of their own borders since the 70s?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Actually it doesn't as the Palestinians are not bound by the conventions, so according to the conventions they do not apply. Here is the part covering this

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

Article 4 isn't the only law, dummy.

Your buddies are still terrorists.

So, what international laws are they violating that apply to them?

 

[Kondor3]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

The Jews needed relocating after The Slaughter.

They wanted to go back to where their Old Kingdom had existed.

There wasn't anything more than a flea-bitten collection of underperformers using the land at the time anyway.

We (the West) decided to give 'em their hearts desire - after having gone through so much - and let the Jews proceed.

That set everything else into motion - and it's waaaayyy too late to back out now.

All that remains to be done is to see the thing through to its inevitable conclusion.

That means relocating the remaining descendants of those flea-bitten underperformers.

Who - sitting in refugee shitholes for 66 years - are, perhaps, not as far removed from 'under-performing' status as one might otherwise like to think.

They were never a 'People'.

And they are a 'failed state' wannabe that never was.

Nature has de-selected them.

They are dying as a people.

The Arabs have already and largely pulled them off life support.

Time to give 'em pain-killers, get 'em relocated, and let 'em die with dignity as a so-called People - to assimilate into the populations of the surrounding Muslim countries - so that they and their families live and thrive as individuals, anyway - someplace else - rather than remaining in agony for the amusement of those who would use them as political fodder.

It's the merciful thing to do for the Palestinians under the circumstances... it's the right thing to do under the circumstances.

 

[Shaarona]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

The Jews needed relocating after The Slaughter.

They wanted to go back to where their Old Kingdom had existed.

There wasn't anything more than a flea-bitten collection of underperformers using the land at the time anyway.

We (the West) decided to give 'em their hearts desire - after having gone through so much - and let the Jews proceed.

That set everything else into motion - and it's waaaayyy too late to back out now.

All that remains to be done is to see the thing through to its inevitable conclusion.

That means relocating the remaining descendants of those flea-bitten underperformers.

Who - sitting in refugee shitholes for 66 years - are, perhaps, not as far removed from 'under-performing' status as one might otherwise like to think.

So under performers can be pushed off the land? So much for human rights.

 

[montelatici]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

The Jews needed relocating after The Slaughter.

They wanted to go back to where their Old Kingdom had existed.

There wasn't anything more than a flea-bitten collection of underperformers using the land at the time anyway.

We (the West) decided to give 'em their hearts desire - after having gone through so much - and let the Jews proceed.

That set everything else into motion - and it's waaaayyy too late to back out now.

All that remains to be done is to see the thing through to its inevitable conclusion.

That means relocating the remaining descendants of those flea-bitten underperformers.

Who - sitting in refugee shitholes for 66 years - are, perhaps, not as far removed from 'under-performing' status as one might otherwise like to think.

They were never a 'People'.

And they are a 'failed state' wannabe that never was.

Nature has de-selected them.

They are dying as a people.

The Arabs have already and largely pulled them off life support.

Time to give 'em pain-killers, get 'em relocated, and let 'em die with dignity as a so-called People - to assimilate into the populations of the surrounding Muslim countries - so that they and their families live and thrive as individuals, anyway - someplace else - rather than remaining in agony for the amusement of those who would use them as political fodder.

It's the merciful thing to do for the Palestinians under the circumstances... it's the right thing to do under the circumstances.

What a disgusting racist diatribe. Sounds like Goebbels talking about the Jews.