Israel spraying toxins over Palestinian crops in Gaza

[Boston1]

Sounds like another unsubstantiated claim by another pali propaganda outlet.

While I've no doubt the Israeli's are going to maintain a security zone "that" side of the barrier they are well within their rights after the riots that damaged the fence in the first place.

In Viet Nam the US would use "daisy cutter" bombs to clear forest around the fire bases. same concept except the Israeli's are nice enough not to use munitions

The Israeli's have no jurisdiction on that side of the fence, so **** off!

The wild assumptions without checking facts is always entertaining.

Aside from the Ongoing war started by the Arab League in 48 we also have Hamas declaring its own little private war.

Its a war Numbnuts in war the United Nations Charter clearly gives member states a right to defend themselves . In which case jurisdiction under domestic law is irrelevant.

Quote

United Nations Charter - Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

End Quote

You might also check into the Caroline Test within international law.

Imminent threat ? preemptive self defense ?

No matter how you slice it, Israel has a right to self defense.

Although I'd just love to hear your explanation about what you call "jurisdiction" ;--) I kinda got a bang out of that one Princes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

ForeverYoung436, et al,

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation. BUT there may be any number of legitimate reasons in support of a military advantage. There is no reason to jump to some sinister conspiracy theory without the barest of facts.

Over a half century ago, when I was in my first combat tour, the US had a unique set of Operations called "Ranch Hand and Trail Dust" which ran for ≈ decade; ending in 1971. It was a combination of multiple herbicides and defoliants; 15-20 Million Gallons disbursed in. The GI's just called it "Agent Orange."

Well it's not like Aljazeera doesn't have an ax to grind

I wouldn't trust Al Jazeera as a credible news source.

(COMMENT)

In my limited experience, having first hand knowledge and exposure, you might consider the two scenarios that I was aware of:

One purpose was the Defoliation directed against foliage that might give cover and concealment to large numbers hostiles that might use it in an offensive scenarios. Key MSRs, base camps, and critical infrastructures where covered might conceal enemey approaches. (Defensive Mode)

A second purpose was to deny the enemy cover and concealment for there key command, control, communications and intelligence facilities. (Offensive Support Mode)
​

Most Respectfully,
R

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation.​

Destroying sources of food is considered an act of genocide.

And have you proven that Israel has done this, or are you once again just taking the word of proven LIARS as the evidence

Spraying of Crops
Another brutal policy used by the State to try and force the Arab-Bedouins off of their lands is the Spraying of Arab-Bedouin fields with herbicides, claiming that Arab-Bedouins “trespassing” on “state land” cultivate the fields illegally. Since 2002 the Israeli Land Authority has launched a policy of aerial spraying of Arab-Bedouin crops with “Round-Up” – a toxic substance designed to destroy weeds. Over seven days in recent years, at least 28,000 dunams of wheat, barley, and some vegetables have been sprayed in 12 villages

On 7 February 2005, the Israeli Land Administration even admitted to aerially spraying agricultural crops cultivated by Arab-Bedouins in the Negev-Naqab with chemical herbicides that have not been authorized by the Ministry of Agriculture. 21 In March 2004, a petition was submitted to the Supreme Court of Justice by Adalah and other organizations including PHR and The Negev Coexistence Forum, challenging the State’s operations of spraying crops with toxic chemicals. Immediately after the filing of the case, the Court issued an injunction – which was extended again in November 2005 – preventing the ILA from continuing with this practice until the Court renders a final decision on the petition

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/NCf-IsraelShadowReport.pdf

AND if the land is used illegally then it can be poisoned, read your own link for the answers[/QUOTE]
Just Israeli Bullshit. They have been there longer than Israel. Israel just wants to steal the land.

 

[flacaltenn]

Anyone STILL want to kill anyone???

That depends on whether you're fishing or not.

Because fishing threatens Israeli national security.

That's an issue of customs and smuggling. Not really about fishing. You can unload a lot of shoulder-fired missiles into very small fishing boats. Therefore -- there are limits on the fishing grounds. If the PA authorities were to set up inspections for fishing boats coming back to port and showed a willingness to control arms/people smuggling coming into Gaza --- that could change.

The issue HERE is that Israel has to keep the "buffer zone" clear of scrubs/vegetation so that they can detect tunnel construction underground. That's why the "round-up" spraying.. And they are not intentionally spraying any large areas of Pali farmland. If the wind blows DURING spraying, there might be unintentional leakage of the spray. Just like happens EVERYWHERE else on the planet.

So AGAIN -- PRODUCE the chemical tests on the alleged Pali fields and show a connection to the Israeli spraying and NOT that some Palis might have manufactured the result for propaganda purposes. Got any lab tests??

I'm sure the Israelis are smart enough to put a chemical marker into the herbicide used in that buffer area to disprove claims like these...

 

[flacaltenn]

ForeverYoung436, et al,

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation. BUT there may be any number of legitimate reasons in support of a military advantage. There is no reason to jump to some sinister conspiracy theory without the barest of facts.

Over a half century ago, when I was in my first combat tour, the US had a unique set of Operations called "Ranch Hand and Trail Dust" which ran for ≈ decade; ending in 1971. It was a combination of multiple herbicides and defoliants; 15-20 Million Gallons disbursed in. The GI's just called it "Agent Orange."

I wouldn't trust Al Jazeera as a credible news source.

(COMMENT)

In my limited experience, having first hand knowledge and exposure, you might consider the two scenarios that I was aware of:

One purpose was the Defoliation directed against foliage that might give cover and concealment to large numbers hostiles that might use it in an offensive scenarios. Key MSRs, base camps, and critical infrastructures where covered might conceal enemey approaches. (Defensive Mode)

A second purpose was to deny the enemy cover and concealment for there key command, control, communications and intelligence facilities. (Offensive Support Mode)
​

Most Respectfully,
R

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation.​

Destroying sources of food is considered an act of genocide.

And have you proven that Israel has done this, or are you once again just taking the word of proven LIARS as the evidence

Spraying of Crops
Another brutal policy used by the State to try and force the Arab-Bedouins off of their lands is the Spraying of Arab-Bedouin fields with herbicides, claiming that Arab-Bedouins “trespassing” on “state land” cultivate the fields illegally. Since 2002 the Israeli Land Authority has launched a policy of aerial spraying of Arab-Bedouin crops with “Round-Up” – a toxic substance designed to destroy weeds. Over seven days in recent years, at least 28,000 dunams of wheat, barley, and some vegetables have been sprayed in 12 villages

On 7 February 2005, the Israeli Land Administration even admitted to aerially spraying agricultural crops cultivated by Arab-Bedouins in the Negev-Naqab with chemical herbicides that have not been authorized by the Ministry of Agriculture. 21 In March 2004, a petition was submitted to the Supreme Court of Justice by Adalah and other organizations including PHR and The Negev Coexistence Forum, challenging the State’s operations of spraying crops with toxic chemicals. Immediately after the filing of the case, the Court issued an injunction – which was extended again in November 2005 – preventing the ILA from continuing with this practice until the Court renders a final decision on the petition

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/NCf-IsraelShadowReport.pdf

AND if the land is used illegally then it can be poisoned, read your own link for the answers

Just Israeli Bullshit. They have been there longer than Israel. Israel just wants to steal the land.[/QUOTE]

First of all, RoundUp doesn't permanently "poison the land". It's approved for agricultural use all over the USA.
And Israeli is NOT interested in another 20 or 30 meters of the border of Gaza..

In fact -- they don't WANT Gaza..

 

[Phoenall]

ForeverYoung436, et al,

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation. BUT there may be any number of legitimate reasons in support of a military advantage. There is no reason to jump to some sinister conspiracy theory without the barest of facts.

Over a half century ago, when I was in my first combat tour, the US had a unique set of Operations called "Ranch Hand and Trail Dust" which ran for ≈ decade; ending in 1971. It was a combination of multiple herbicides and defoliants; 15-20 Million Gallons disbursed in. The GI's just called it "Agent Orange."

I wouldn't trust Al Jazeera as a credible news source.

(COMMENT)

In my limited experience, having first hand knowledge and exposure, you might consider the two scenarios that I was aware of:

One purpose was the Defoliation directed against foliage that might give cover and concealment to large numbers hostiles that might use it in an offensive scenarios. Key MSRs, base camps, and critical infrastructures where covered might conceal enemey approaches. (Defensive Mode)

A second purpose was to deny the enemy cover and concealment for there key command, control, communications and intelligence facilities. (Offensive Support Mode)
​

Most Respectfully,
R

First, let me say that we simply don't know the purpose of intent of the operation.​

Destroying sources of food is considered an act of genocide.

And have you proven that Israel has done this, or are you once again just taking the word of proven LIARS as the evidence

Spraying of Crops
Another brutal policy used by the State to try and force the Arab-Bedouins off of their lands is the Spraying of Arab-Bedouin fields with herbicides, claiming that Arab-Bedouins “trespassing” on “state land” cultivate the fields illegally. Since 2002 the Israeli Land Authority has launched a policy of aerial spraying of Arab-Bedouin crops with “Round-Up” – a toxic substance designed to destroy weeds. Over seven days in recent years, at least 28,000 dunams of wheat, barley, and some vegetables have been sprayed in 12 villages

On 7 February 2005, the Israeli Land Administration even admitted to aerially spraying agricultural crops cultivated by Arab-Bedouins in the Negev-Naqab with chemical herbicides that have not been authorized by the Ministry of Agriculture. 21 In March 2004, a petition was submitted to the Supreme Court of Justice by Adalah and other organizations including PHR and The Negev Coexistence Forum, challenging the State’s operations of spraying crops with toxic chemicals. Immediately after the filing of the case, the Court issued an injunction – which was extended again in November 2005 – preventing the ILA from continuing with this practice until the Court renders a final decision on the petition

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/NCf-IsraelShadowReport.pdf

AND if the land is used illegally then it can be poisoned, read your own link for the answers

Just Israeli Bullshit. They have been there longer than Israel. Israel just wants to steal the land.[/QUOTE]





But they have not been there as long as the Jews have, and the muslims have stated on camera that they want to steal the land and turn it into another daesh caliphate.

 

[Phoenall]

Anyone STILL want to kill anyone???

That depends on whether you're fishing or not.

Because fishing threatens Israeli national security.

That's an issue of customs and smuggling. Not really about fishing. You can unload a lot of shoulder-fired missiles into very small fishing boats. Therefore -- there are limits on the fishing grounds. If the PA authorities were to set up inspections for fishing boats coming back to port and showed a willingness to control arms/people smuggling coming into Gaza --- that could change.

The issue HERE is that Israel has to keep the "buffer zone" clear of scrubs/vegetation so that they can detect tunnel construction underground. That's why the "round-up" spraying.. And they are not intentionally spraying any large areas of Pali farmland. If the wind blows DURING spraying, there might be unintentional leakage of the spray. Just like happens EVERYWHERE else on the planet.

So AGAIN -- PRODUCE the chemical tests on the alleged Pali fields and show a connection to the Israeli spraying and NOT that some Palis might have manufactured the result for propaganda purposes. Got any lab tests??

I'm sure the Israelis are smart enough to put a chemical marker into the herbicide used in that buffer area to disprove claims like these...

Many people wont know that a herbicide can be used to make explosives, and it acts as an accelerant when mixed with everyday substances. So what is to say that the Palestinians have not dumped tons of the weed killer on the land themselves when they found that it was the variety that had been altered so it could not burn. The most common weedkiller in use today is glyphosphate and this leaves no trace after 48 hours of being administered, making the land usable for growing within 6 weeks of being treated.

 

[Daniyel]

The fact you cannot understand me doesn't male me the dumbass, but I'll break it down for you;
I Think the thread OP is bullshit.
Therefore
I Suggest a REAL possible truth behind this story.

But do you have any evidence that would validate your conclusion?

I Haven't reach a conclusion yet, but the initial claim is full of holes that only two possible reasons could fit.
1.Buffer Zone.
2.Tunnels Flooding.
Both could explain how come there is no actual photos of the planes and how come an agricultural planes would be daring to fly right over heavily armed Hamas outposts, in addition to the fact farmers can actually find where to grow so many crops on a land full of remains ever since operation Protective Edge, that is why I was also wondering WHERE EXACTLY are the damaged crops.
Makes sense?

 

[Billo_Really]

That's an issue of customs and smuggling. Not really about fishing. You can unload a lot of shoulder-fired missiles into very small fishing boats. Therefore -- there are limits on the fishing grounds. If the PA authorities were to set up inspections for fishing boats coming back to port and showed a willingness to control arms/people smuggling coming into Gaza --- that could change.

The issue HERE is that Israel has to keep the "buffer zone" clear of scrubs/vegetation so that they can detect tunnel construction underground. That's why the "round-up" spraying.. And they are not intentionally spraying any large areas of Pali farmland. If the wind blows DURING spraying, there might be unintentional leakage of the spray. Just like happens EVERYWHERE else on the planet.

So AGAIN -- PRODUCE the chemical tests on the alleged Pali fields and show a connection to the Israeli spraying and NOT that some Palis might have manufactured the result for propaganda purposes. Got any lab tests??

I'm sure the Israelis are smart enough to put a chemical marker into the herbicide used in that buffer area to disprove claims like these...

The issue here is Israel has no legal jurisdiction in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. Therefore, if it has no jurisdiction, then it cannot allocate that side of the fence to a "buffer zone".

If your my neighbor, do you think you have a right to declare a 10' strip of my front yard, a "buffer zone" along your front yard? And if I happen to walk into that area, you will shoot me? Do you think you have that right?

And as far as the fishermen goes, they were FISHING when they were shot at!

And as far as weapons, are you saying Gazans do not have the right to defend themselves?

 

[Billo_Really]

I Haven't reach a conclusion yet, but the initial claim is full of holes that only two possible reasons could fit.
1.Buffer Zone.
2.Tunnels Flooding.
Both could explain how come there is no actual photos of the planes and how come an agricultural planes would be daring to fly right over heavily armed Hamas outposts, in addition to the fact farmers can actually find where to grow so many crops on a land full of remains ever since operation Protective Edge, that is why I was also wondering WHERE EXACTLY are the damaged crops.
Makes sense?

If you have no problem shooting at farmers while they harvest, why would you have a problem spraying crops?

 

[Billo_Really]

The wild assumptions without checking facts is always entertaining.

Aside from the Ongoing war started by the Arab League in 48 we also have Hamas declaring its own little private war.

Its a war Numbnuts in war the United Nations Charter clearly gives member states a right to defend themselves . In which case jurisdiction under domestic law is irrelevant.

Quote

United Nations Charter - Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

End Quote

You might also check into the Caroline Test within international law.

Imminent threat ? preemptive self defense ?

No matter how you slice it, Israel has a right to self defense.

Although I'd just love to hear your explanation about what you call "jurisdiction" ;--) I kinda got a bang out of that one Princes.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

 

[Boston1]

The wild assumptions without checking facts is always entertaining.

Aside from the Ongoing war started by the Arab League in 48 we also have Hamas declaring its own little private war.

Its a war Numbnuts in war the United Nations Charter clearly gives member states a right to defend themselves . In which case jurisdiction under domestic law is irrelevant.

Quote

United Nations Charter - Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

End Quote

You might also check into the Caroline Test within international law.

Imminent threat ? preemptive self defense ?

No matter how you slice it, Israel has a right to self defense.

Although I'd just love to hear your explanation about what you call "jurisdiction" ;--) I kinda got a bang out of that one Princes.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Well then the Arab Muslim forces can't claim self defense. After all they are occupying land intended for the creation of a national Jewish homeland.

The Arab Muslims were awarded roughly 80% of the mandated area. So why are they occupying even one square inch of the remaining 20% intended for the creation of a national Jewish homeland ?

By your own admission an occupier cannot claim self defense ( although you don't have a legal leg to stand on with that claim ) so even under these imaginary laws you seem to believe in, the Arab Muslims west of the Jordan cannot claim their acts of aggression are self defense. Since they are the occupying force in the area.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

WOW, I cannot believe you said this.

The issue here is Israel has no legal jurisdiction in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. Therefore, if it has no jurisdiction, then it cannot allocate that side of the fence to a "buffer zone".
[/QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

Legal jurisdiction comes from a number of situations and sources. One of the biggest source is answered by the question: Who has effective or sovereign control of the area or territory.

(QUESTION)

I know you are an attorney. Tell me who has effective or sovereign control over the Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights?

(OPINION)

Who, what or how is Jurisdiction assigned? In reality, the geographic area over which Israeli authority extends; defined the jurisdiction of Israel.

• Gaza = HAMAS
• West Bank

Area "A": Full control by Palestinian Authority (PA)
Area "B": Full PA civil control; with shared Security Control (Israel + PA)
Area "C": Full Israeli control.
​

• East Jerusalem: Well, if it not part of the Israeli held West Jerusalem, then it is the Arabs (undefined)
• Golan Heights: The West Side of the Golan has been Annex, as I understand it.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Lipush]

The wild assumptions without checking facts is always entertaining.

Aside from the Ongoing war started by the Arab League in 48 we also have Hamas declaring its own little private war.

Its a war Numbnuts in war the United Nations Charter clearly gives member states a right to defend themselves . In which case jurisdiction under domestic law is irrelevant.

Quote

United Nations Charter - Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

End Quote

You might also check into the Caroline Test within international law.

Imminent threat ? preemptive self defense ?

No matter how you slice it, Israel has a right to self defense.

Although I'd just love to hear your explanation about what you call "jurisdiction" ;--) I kinda got a bang out of that one Princes.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Any recognized country can claim self defense.

You follow rules you make up yourself, or what?

 

[Daniyel]

I Haven't reach a conclusion yet, but the initial claim is full of holes that only two possible reasons could fit.
1.Buffer Zone.
2.Tunnels Flooding.
Both could explain how come there is no actual photos of the planes and how come an agricultural planes would be daring to fly right over heavily armed Hamas outposts, in addition to the fact farmers can actually find where to grow so many crops on a land full of remains ever since operation Protective Edge, that is why I was also wondering WHERE EXACTLY are the damaged crops.
Makes sense?

If you have no problem shooting at farmers while they harvest, why would you have a problem spraying crops?

Because I know you have no problem slaughtering innocent people just because they're Jews.

 

[flacaltenn]

That's an issue of customs and smuggling. Not really about fishing. You can unload a lot of shoulder-fired missiles into very small fishing boats. Therefore -- there are limits on the fishing grounds. If the PA authorities were to set up inspections for fishing boats coming back to port and showed a willingness to control arms/people smuggling coming into Gaza --- that could change.

The issue HERE is that Israel has to keep the "buffer zone" clear of scrubs/vegetation so that they can detect tunnel construction underground. That's why the "round-up" spraying.. And they are not intentionally spraying any large areas of Pali farmland. If the wind blows DURING spraying, there might be unintentional leakage of the spray. Just like happens EVERYWHERE else on the planet.

So AGAIN -- PRODUCE the chemical tests on the alleged Pali fields and show a connection to the Israeli spraying and NOT that some Palis might have manufactured the result for propaganda purposes. Got any lab tests??

I'm sure the Israelis are smart enough to put a chemical marker into the herbicide used in that buffer area to disprove claims like these...

The issue here is Israel has no legal jurisdiction in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. Therefore, if it has no jurisdiction, then it cannot allocate that side of the fence to a "buffer zone".

If your my neighbor, do you think you have a right to declare a 10' strip of my front yard, a "buffer zone" along your front yard? And if I happen to walk into that area, you will shoot me? Do you think you have that right?

And as far as the fishermen goes, they were FISHING when they were shot at!

And as far as weapons, are you saying Gazans do not have the right to defend themselves?

The Gaza buffer zone was an agreement reach in granting autonomy to Gaza. You know that. Perfectly legal..

Cities usually ALWAYS take a buffer zone and utility or other easements on your property. If I plant a tree there, and refuse to be apprehended -- EVENTUALLY someone from authority will have to shoot me if I assert a right to that tree.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones? In better relationships and better diplomacy -- Israel would extend a narrow channel for small craft into deeper waters and just INSPECT the small boats on their return.

So Israel no longer has any jurisdiction in Gaza. BUT -- they have MILITARY jurisdiction in those other areas you mentioned. And THEY are responsible for public safety, and order..

Those areas COULD be refugee camps or peaceful prosperous autonomous Palestine. That decision was always and is now --- up to the Palestinians..

 

[Billo_Really]

The Gaza buffer zone was an agreement reach in granting autonomy to Gaza. You know that. Perfectly legal..

Cities usually ALWAYS take a buffer zone and utility or other easements on your property. If I plant a tree there, and refuse to be apprehended -- EVENTUALLY someone from authority will have to shoot me if I assert a right to that tree.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones? In better relationships and better diplomacy -- Israel would extend a narrow channel for small craft into deeper waters and just INSPECT the small boats on their return.

So Israel no longer has any jurisdiction in Gaza. BUT -- they have MILITARY jurisdiction in those other areas you mentioned. And THEY are responsible for public safety, and order..

Those areas COULD be refugee camps or peaceful prosperous autonomous Palestine. That decision was always and is now --- up to the Palestinians..

Mr. Mod, brandishing his A-game. I guess you gotta bring the best, when you debate the best? My compliments to the instructor of your speech class; he taught you well.

I don't know if I should rip you to shreds, or bask in the shine that is your rebuttal?

Since the Denver game is on and I have been drinking heavily since 10am, I'll give you a pass this time.

But hey, I ain't no kiss-ass!

 

[Billo_Really]

Because I know you have no problem slaughtering innocent people just because they're Jews.

And just how do you know that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Any recognized country can claim self defense.

You follow rules you make up yourself, or what?

You cannot claim self defense, if you're the one causing the violence.

 

[Billo_Really]

(COMMENT)

Legal jurisdiction comes from a number of situations and sources. One of the biggest source is answered by the question: Who has effective or sovereign control of the area or territory.

(QUESTION)

I know you are an attorney. Tell me who has effective or sovereign control over the Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Golan Heights?

(OPINION)

Who, what or how is Jurisdiction assigned? In reality, the geographic area over which Israeli authority extends; defined the jurisdiction of Israel.

• Gaza = HAMAS
• West Bank

Area "A": Full control by Palestinian Authority (PA)
Area "B": Full PA civil control; with shared Security Control (Israel + PA)
Area "C": Full Israeli control.
​

• East Jerusalem: Well, if it not part of the Israeli held West Jerusalem, then it is the Arabs (undefined)
• Golan Heights: The West Side of the Golan has been Annex, as I understand it.​

Most Respectfully,
R

I'm not a lawyer, I'm an electrical engineer.

 

[Boston1]

Yeah I'm watching the game as well. But I on the other hand am sober. Deal is anything west of the Jordan within the mandate area is open to the development of a national Jewish homeland.

If hostile Arab forces are occupying this area then under your own definition they cannot be defending themselves and must therefor be the aggressors

Although a much simpler and more authoritative look at the legal status can be found by simply reviewing the Arab League declaration of war in 48, in which case once again Israel is the wronged party being invaded by the Arab hoards.