Israel and weapons of mass destruction

[The Rabbi]

That's a pretty ignorant statement....
How is Israel the guys pushing people around? That tiny country in the middle of all those Jew hating countries, and they're the bully??

Israel took over all that land by war in '67...and the WON (kinda like Obama saying he won "so get over it"). Now the illegitimate children from other arab countries are claiming it's theirs and Israel needs to give it back. Too bad!

What i wonder is why if all these arab countries around Israel feel the Palestinians need their own land, why don't THEY give them some! There....it's solved. It's not about the land tho...it's about hating Israelis.

So if the Arabs take back the land, then it's theirs, no problem, right.

Because that's inevitably what is going to happen. Already, more and more Jews are emmigrating out, and more Arabs are moving back in. Israel might buy itself some time with a Palestinian state, but much like water wearing down a stone, they are just delaying the inevitable.

Water always wins.

It took them 200 years to drive out the Crusaders, but they did eventually.

You dont know jack shit.

 

[kaz]

I don't think we should be getting into the middle of a fight between Jews and Muslims

If this is your view, it's the point you should argue rather then just attacking the Israeli cause. Now I actually do think we should stay out of the middle east, but I'm not against Israel. Here's the way you can tell. I say we should stay out of the Middle East, but I don't do it by attacking Israel, I just say we should stay out of it. Clever, eh?

 

[kaz]

Umm, guy, I don't believe Jesus was ever a real person. I think he was made up

I see, so it's another stupid Joe argument? You think the Christians are tripping so you hate...the Mormons... Got it.

 

[JoeB131]

That's a pretty ignorant statement....
How is Israel the guys pushing people around? That tiny country in the middle of all those Jew hating countries, and they're the bully??

Israel took over all that land by war in '67...and the WON (kinda like Obama saying he won "so get over it"). Now the illegitimate children from other arab countries are claiming it's theirs and Israel needs to give it back. Too bad!

What i wonder is why if all these arab countries around Israel feel the Palestinians need their own land, why don't THEY give them some! There....it's solved. It's not about the land tho...it's about hating Israelis.

So if the Arabs take back the land, then it's theirs, no problem, right.

Because that's inevitably what is going to happen. Already, more and more Jews are emmigrating out, and more Arabs are moving back in. Israel might buy itself some time with a Palestinian state, but much like water wearing down a stone, they are just delaying the inevitable.

Water always wins.

It took them 200 years to drive out the Crusaders, but they did eventually.

You dont know jack shit.

Sorry, man, learn to deal. Eventually, Jews in Israel will wonder what the big deal was. Why not move to AMerica or Europe where people aren't trying to kill you?

 

[JoeB131]

Umm, guy, I don't believe Jesus was ever a real person. I think he was made up

I see, so it's another stupid Joe argument? You think the Christians are tripping so you hate...the Mormons... Got it.

No, I hate the Mormons because they are liars.

Christians are just dupes...

 

[JoeB131]

I don't think we should be getting into the middle of a fight between Jews and Muslims

If this is your view, it's the point you should argue rather then just attacking the Israeli cause. Now I actually do think we should stay out of the middle east, but I'm not against Israel. Here's the way you can tell. I say we should stay out of the Middle East, but I don't do it by attacking Israel, I just say we should stay out of it. Clever, eh?

Well, yeah. Let's stay out of it. No more payments to Israel, no more selling them weapons. No more using our veto in the UN to block resolutions they don't like. Sounds fair to me.

 

[Caroljo]

That's a pretty ignorant statement....
How is Israel the guys pushing people around? That tiny country in the middle of all those Jew hating countries, and they're the bully??

Israel took over all that land by war in '67...and the WON (kinda like Obama saying he won "so get over it"). Now the illegitimate children from other arab countries are claiming it's theirs and Israel needs to give it back. Too bad!

What i wonder is why if all these arab countries around Israel feel the Palestinians need their own land, why don't THEY give them some! There....it's solved. It's not about the land tho...it's about hating Israelis.

So if the Arabs take back the land, then it's theirs, no problem, right.

Because that's inevitably what is going to happen. Already, more and more Jews are emmigrating out, and more Arabs are moving back in. Israel might buy itself some time with a Palestinian state, but much like water wearing down a stone, they are just delaying the inevitable.

Water always wins.

It took them 200 years to drive out the Crusaders, but they did eventually.

Wrong....
And because i already know you don't believe in God, i also know you don't believe that God said that land belongs to his chosen people. So you also don't believe that Israel will always be there...nobody will be able to take it away from them. Say what you want, but you'll see. Besides, why do you think that little piece of land has belonged to the Jews for so long now? The countries around them hate them...what is keeping them from just taking the land? It's not just because Israel has a nuke either...it's because God's hand is on them. I'm sure you're laughing right now....but i'm good with that

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong....
And because i already know you don't believe in God, i also know you don't believe that God said that land belongs to his chosen people. So you also don't believe that Israel will always be there...nobody will be able to take it away from them. Say what you want, but you'll see. Besides, why do you think that little piece of land has belonged to the Jews for so long now? The countries around them hate them...what is keeping them from just taking the land? It's not just because Israel has a nuke either...it's because God's hand is on them. I'm sure you're laughing right now....but i'm good with that

If they were God' chosen people, where was God when Hitler was turning them into lampshades and bars of soap? Shit, it took the Godless Red Army to save them.

Demographics are against Israel. There's a rough parity between Jews and Arabs, but the Jewish birthrate is flat while the Arab birthrate is going up. Eventually, Arabs will be in the majority, and after that- bada bing bada boom like that.

 

[jillian]

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

this thread is about iran.

i know iran made its jews leave and is an apartheid muslim state, but i don't recall israel ever taking anything from iran or threatening it, unlike the threats iran has made toward israel.

i know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even for you, that's a dumbass effort at deflection.

The thing I was responding to was that POOOOOOOOR Little Israel keeps getting attacked, not about who was doing the attacking. Iran has never attacked Israel directly. They support people who do, to be sure.

Of course, my view- WHY IS THIS MY PROBLEM?

Why am I being asked to chuck out money every year to support someone's fantasy that the sky pixie really gave them the strip of awful land.

Because that's what we are really talking about here, isn't it. Someone's religious conceit making our policy. And we call ourselves a superpower.

i know it offends people like you when jews defend themselves. but you know what??

tough...

and the o/p was about iran... try to follow.

 

[strollingbones]

israel being a nuclear power is news? really?

 

[jillian]

Israel has been invaded more times in 50 years than most countries in 500 years. Of course their security is paramount, and thus the development of nuclear weapons.
Iran has fomented terrorism for about 20 years, and its leadership is sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
The "facts" posted are the selective variety that the anti-Israel creatures love so much.

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

That's ridiculous. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lybia, Morocco, Iran through its Hezbollah and Hamas proxies, even North Korea and others have all attacked Israel yet Israel never stole any land from them and after the 1967 war Israel immediately, within a week, offerred to swap the land it had captured from Jordan, Syria and Egypt in return of a peace treaty.

it isn't stealing land when you win land in defensive battle.

or should california and texas be part of mexico and mexicans have a right of return?

you let your hatred get in the way of rational thought.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

this thread is about iran.

i know iran made its jews leave and is an apartheid muslim state, but i don't recall israel ever taking anything from iran or threatening it, unlike the threats iran has made toward israel.

i know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even for you, that's a dumbass effort at deflection.

The thing I was responding to was that POOOOOOOOR Little Israel keeps getting attacked, not about who was doing the attacking. Iran has never attacked Israel directly. They support people who do, to be sure.

Of course, my view- WHY IS THIS MY PROBLEM?

Why am I being asked to chuck out money every year to support someone's fantasy that the sky pixie really gave them the strip of awful land.

Because that's what we are really talking about here, isn't it. Someone's religious conceit making our policy. And we call ourselves a superpower.

No, the people who founded the state of Israel were mostly socialists and communists who considered themselves more ethnic Jews than religious Jews. They were thoroughly familiar with Jewish history and with the Torah because of their upbringing in the shetls of eastern Europe. The ethnic Jewish identity was formed because Jews were excluded from mainstream life in most European and Muslim nations either by law or by practice. When the IDF liberated Jerusalem from Jordan, many of the IDF soldiers who gathered at the Western Wall were so secular that although they were familiar with Jewish history because it was their national history, they had no idea how to pray.

However, as you say, your only real interest in this situation concerns the use of American tax dollars providing military aid to Israel. The US supports Israel because Israel has long been our most important strategic ally, and this alliance has over the years saved countless American lives and huge amounts of American money. During the Cold War, the Soviets tried to wrest control of the ME through their client states, Egypt and Syria, and if Israel had been overrun in either of these wars, no country in the ME could have prevented Soviet influence from reaching the Gulf oil fields and to prevent this, the US would have had to deploy large numbers of troops to the region and to maintain them for many years at great expense and at great risk to the lives of those troops and even at the risk of a military confrontation with the USSR. If Israel had lost its wars and the US had been forced to do this, in which countries would these troops be deployed? We have already seen the complications that arise when large numbers of western troops are stationed in Muslim countries.

Fortunately for the US, Israel stopped the expansion of Soviet influence in the ME by winning both of its wars, 1967 and 1973, with Soviet client states. After the Arabs attacked in 1973, Israel requested an emergency resupply of of weapons and munitions from the US, but when Kissinger called a meeting to discuss this, he was the only one in the government who supported the idea. The others opposed it because US military analysts had already predicted Israel would defeat the Arab armies within 72 hours and they saw no reason to risk antagonizing the Arabs by helping Israel, but Kissinger changed their minds by arguing that did not help Israel now, it would have much less influence over Israel when the war ended and that this would make the US look weak in the eyes of the Arabs and push them even deeper into the Soviet realm.

Of course, Kissinger was right. Perceived US influence over Israel persuaded Sadat to kick the Soviets out and to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel which has locked the door on Soviet and Russian influence in the ME for decades and giving the US one of its few successes in the Cold War and a success that didn't have to be paid for in American blood. If only our other allies in Europe and Asia had been as capable as Israel of defending their own interests and our's 500,000 American lives could have been spared in the last century and the US would have been spared the huge expenses of fighting their wars and maintaining large military deployments in Europe and Asia.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

That's ridiculous. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lybia, Morocco, Iran through its Hezbollah and Hamas proxies, even North Korea and others have all attacked Israel yet Israel never stole any land from them and after the 1967 war Israel immediately, within a week, offerred to swap the land it had captured from Jordan, Syria and Egypt in return of a peace treaty.

it isn't stealing land when you win land in defensive battle.

or should california and texas be part of mexico and mexicans have a right of return?

you let your hatred get in the way of rational thought.

It is you who is allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment. Clearly, my post was a defense of Israel.

 

[Photonic]

Yeah, Abraham didn't exist in your demented reality even though the muslims mention him......

FYI...Islam came after Judaism.

Uh idiot, the Israelites aka Jews have been on their land longer than the Arabs.

Glad I don't pull my history lessons from book on how to be superstitious.

FYI Judaism came after a lot of other shit. Congratulations.

 

[JoeB131]

i know it offends people like you when jews defend themselves. but you know what??

tough...

and the o/p was about iran... try to follow.

Right. It was.

Iran's gonna get a nuke, and Israel is going to have to learn how to deal.

Tough.

It's the population bomb the Zionists should be worried about.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, um, yeah, you go in and steal someone's land and make them second class citizens in their own country, don't be surprised when they attack you.

That's ridiculous. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lybia, Morocco, Iran through its Hezbollah and Hamas proxies, even North Korea and others have all attacked Israel yet Israel never stole any land from them and after the 1967 war Israel immediately, within a week, offerred to swap the land it had captured from Jordan, Syria and Egypt in return of a peace treaty.

it isn't stealing land when you win land in defensive battle.

or should california and texas be part of mexico and mexicans have a right of return?

you let your hatred get in the way of rational thought.

it isn't stealing land when you win land in defensive battle.

Of course it isn't true that Israel won any land.

 

[kaz]

I don't think we should be getting into the middle of a fight between Jews and Muslims

If this is your view, it's the point you should argue rather then just attacking the Israeli cause. Now I actually do think we should stay out of the middle east, but I'm not against Israel. Here's the way you can tell. I say we should stay out of the Middle East, but I don't do it by attacking Israel, I just say we should stay out of it. Clever, eh?

Well, yeah. Let's stay out of it. No more payments to Israel, no more selling them weapons. No more using our veto in the UN to block resolutions they don't like. Sounds fair to me.

You really are one sick mother ******

 

[Jroc]

If this is your view, it's the point you should argue rather then just attacking the Israeli cause. Now I actually do think we should stay out of the middle east, but I'm not against Israel. Here's the way you can tell. I say we should stay out of the Middle East, but I don't do it by attacking Israel, I just say we should stay out of it. Clever, eh?

Well, yeah. Let's stay out of it. No more payments to Israel, no more selling them weapons. No more using our veto in the UN to block resolutions they don't like. Sounds fair to me.

You really are one sick mother ******

He's just like the rest of the Ron Paul loons on the board

 

[jillian]

i know it offends people like you when jews defend themselves. but you know what??

tough...

and the o/p was about iran... try to follow.

Right. It was.

Iran's gonna get a nuke, and Israel is going to have to learn how to deal.

Tough.

It's the population bomb the Zionists should be worried about.

i don't think they'll allow iran to get a nuke to give to the terrorists iran loves funding so much. so i think you'll have to live with being disappointed that israel won't get nuked.

i agree re the population... hence there will never be a "right of return" for people who never lived there any more than i have a right of return to belarus.

sorry if that disappoints you, too.

 

[Jroc]

i know it offends people like you when jews defend themselves. but you know what??

tough...

and the o/p was about iran... try to follow.

Right. It was.

Iran's gonna get a nuke, and Israel is going to have to learn how to deal.

Tough.

It's the population bomb the Zionists should be worried about.

i don't think they'll allow iran to get a nuke to give to the terrorists iran loves funding so much. so i think you'll have to live with being disappointed that israel won't get nuked.

i agree re the population... hence there will never be a "right of return" for people who never lived there any more than i have a right of return to belarus.

sorry if that disappoints you, too.

A Jewish Birth Boom?

Israel faces a demographic threat.

It's an idea that is so well accepted as conventional wisdom that any suggestion to the contrary seems ludicrous.

Yet a growing body of evidence suggests that Israel may not face any threat at all. In fact, new studies show that the Jewish birth rate is outpacing the Arab one, and has done so for some time now.

Ynet reports:

According to Immigration Authority data... the number of Jewish newborns in Israel has increased by nearly 20% since 2001, while during this time the number of Muslim and Christian newborns has dropped by five and 10%, respectively.

Statistics show that over the past decade a total of 1,568, 938 people were born in Israel, including 1,157,517 Jews, 387,308 Muslims and only 24,113 Christians.

Since the beginning of 2011, 107,207 Jewish babies were born, a significantly higher number than the 30,341 Muslims and 1,864 Christians who were born this year.

According to statistics, in 2001 69% of all newborns in Israel were Jewish, while 28% were Muslim and 1.9% Christian. However, in 2010, 76% of all the babies born in Israel were Jewish, while only 22% were Muslim and 1.3% Christian.

http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/jewish-birth-boom.php