Israel and US discuss defunding of UNRWA

[Challenger]

1) Using the word "occupying" is a loser start in any attacks on Israel.

Israel DOES NOT occupy Jerusalem, any part of it.
All Jews were expelled in 1948 by the Jordanian Army when all the Arab countries attacked Israel.

2) From what I know, Israel follows Ottoman and British laws in a lot of the things it does.
You do not like it, I will ask Israel to once and for all create its own laws.

One of them will be to give back all the property stolen by the Arabs of Jordan and all others when they invaded Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH QUARTER of Jerusalem ( stupidly called "east Jerusalem" after 1948) BACK TO THE JEWS they stole them from.

There are many reasons as to why Israel has had to revoke residency and even citizenship status of so many Arabs.

Let us see:

1) worked against the State
2) belonged to a terrorist group
3) was in Israel illegally

I am sure that there are many other reasons for so many to be told to leave.

But neither you, nor that article you chose, care to find out why that actually happened.

"East Jerusalem" and "Occupied" go together when one speaks of the Jordanian disgrace between 1948 and 1967 when the Hashemites attempted to steal Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem for TransJordan.

Jerusalem and Capital of Israel, go together when one speaks of the Ancient Nation of Israel, and the modern State of Israel .


Digest it, slowly. It will be easier to enjoy for the rest of your life.

You could aptly be described as an apologist.

...or Hasbarist, or even Hasbarat? • Sayanim and Hasbarat 'Jews': How They Operate

Try, people with brains and guts who are not afraid to defend and protect Israel from all the Jew haters like you who are looking forward to seeing it destroyed and all Jews homeless again.

Your kind of poison helped murder 6 million Jews in 10 years. Now, you are trying to do away with 15 Million in a way that no one will notice and as soon as possible.

Tough job you have. But, some mentally sick person like you has got to do it

"...defend and protect..."

Standard Hasbarat response, play the "Jew hater/anti-Semite" card for all your worth...yadda...yadda yadda, proves you got nutthin' as they say. Did you have the hativkah playing in the background as you wrote that?

And now how about you guys, Internet Jihadist, Islamo-terrorist @$$ lickers?

Why should hundreds of millions of US taxpayer money go funding schools that are used as Islamo-terrorist factories, and rocket storage and launch sites? Still haven't heard a reason?

...and another one crawls out of the woodwork. Hmm, as opposed to the billions of US taxpayer money spent proping up the Zionist colony and occupation? @$$ is spelled "ass", by the way.

 

[Roudy]

And now how about you guys, Internet Jihadist, Islamo-terrorist @$$ lickers?

Why should hundreds of millions of US taxpayer money go funding schools that are used as Islamo-terrorist factories, and rocket storage and launch sites? Still haven't heard a reason?

Ynetnews News - Comment posted, damage done: Online battle for Israel's hasbara

Another 'Pallywood' propaganda fail as boy with hurt leg gets arm bandaged - The Commentator

UNRWA condemns placement of rockets, for a second time, in one of its schools | UNRWA

 

[Roudy]

You could aptly be described as an apologist.

...or Hasbarist, or even Hasbarat? • Sayanim and Hasbarat 'Jews': How They Operate

Try, people with brains and guts who are not afraid to defend and protect Israel from all the Jew haters like you who are looking forward to seeing it destroyed and all Jews homeless again.

Your kind of poison helped murder 6 million Jews in 10 years. Now, you are trying to do away with 15 Million in a way that no one will notice and as soon as possible.

Tough job you have. But, some mentally sick person like you has got to do it

"...defend and protect..."

Standard Hasbarat response, play the "Jew hater/anti-Semite" card for all your worth...yadda...yadda yadda, proves you got nutthin' as they say. Did you have the hativkah playing in the background as you wrote that?

And now how about you guys, Internet Jihadist, Islamo-terrorist @$$ lickers?

Why should hundreds of millions of US taxpayer money go funding schools that are used as Islamo-terrorist factories, and rocket storage and launch sites? Still haven't heard a reason?

...and another one crawls out of the woodwork. Hmm, as opposed to the billions of US taxpayer money spent proping up the Zionist colony and occupation? @$$ is spelled "ass", by the way.

Hey Achmed the internet Jihadi, don't you get it, American people overwhelmingly support the Israeli people, on the other hand, they could give a rat's ass about your so called Palestinians. That is why they don't want to send hundreds of millions of hard earned US tax payer money to bunch of rocket launching Islamist brainwashing centers propped up as "schools".

UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools - UN Watch

 

[fanger]

Hey Achmed the internet Jihadi, don't you get it, American people overwhelmingly support the Israeli people, on the other hand, they could give a rat's ass about your so called Palestinians. That is why they don't want to send hundreds of millions of hard earned US tax payer money to bunch of rocket launching Islamist brainwashing centers propped up as "schools".

UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools - UN Watch

 

[Roudy]

Hey Achmed the internet Jihadi, don't you get it, American people overwhelmingly support the Israeli people, on the other hand, they could give a rat's ass about your so called Palestinians. That is why they don't want to send hundreds of millions of hard earned US tax payer money to bunch of rocket launching Islamist brainwashing centers propped up as "schools".

UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools - UN Watch

Nobody listens to that leftist commie garbage!

Again, why why should American tax payer money go to these terrorist dirtbags?

Hamas Quietly Admits It Fired Rockets from Civilian Areas

"workers at the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Gaza had their lives threatened by members of Hamas during the 50-day conflict with Israel.

In a number of incidents, Hamas terrorists threatened to kill UNRWA personnel if they revealed that the Islamist group was using the UN facilities for purposes of war, to ensure that they would not speak out about Hamas’s activities.

Details have also emerged of the fate of medical supplies and food that were intended to be distributed by UNRWA to residents of Gaza in need of humanitarian aid. On a number of occasions, armed Hamas operatives forcefully confiscated the supplies, taking them for their own use.

As we noted at the time, UNRWA admitted (twice) that Hamas rockets had been found in UNRWA facilities that the group claimed were not being used as shelters. The disclosures caused a considerable stir."

 

[Humanity]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

 

[Roudy]

"ancient Palestine Jews got expelled from"?! Ha ha ha.

 

[fanger]

And now how about you guys, Internet Jihadist, Islamo-terrorist @$$ lickers?

Why should hundreds of millions of US taxpayer money go funding schools that are used as Islamo-terrorist factories, and rocket storage and launch sites? Still haven't heard a reason?

Ynetnews News - Comment posted, damage done: Online battle for Israel's hasbara

Another 'Pallywood' propaganda fail as boy with hurt leg gets arm bandaged - The Commentator

UNRWA condemns placement of rockets, for a second time, in one of its schools | UNRWA

Jewish Illegal immigrants hide weapons in school

 

[Shusha]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

 

[fanger]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

"The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law."
tell that to the jews pouring into Palestine/israel

 

[Humanity]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

You do realise that this contradicts your posts Shusha, The Evil Machinator?

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one.

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

 

[Sixties Fan]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

You do realise that this contradicts your posts Shusha, The Evil Machinator?

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one.

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

Who else has a refugee status which extends to future generations?
Which people? From where ?

 

[fanger]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

You do realise that this contradicts your posts Shusha, The Evil Machinator?

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one.

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

Who else has a refugee status which extends to future generations?
Which people? From where ?

Jews by 4th generation decent?

 

[Shusha]

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

There is no contradiction in my posts. My belief system is internally sound and applies to all people equally.

I am differentiating between the INDIVIDUAL status of refugees and the COLLECTIVE rights of indigenous peoples or those with a long history in a particular territory.

The intergenerational status of Palestinian refugees exists for no other people. It is contrary to the conventions normally applied to defining and assigning rights to refugees. It exists SPECIFICALLY to deny the collective rights of the Jewish people. That is morally wrong.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

You do realise that this contradicts your posts Shusha, The Evil Machinator?

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one.

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

Who else has a refugee status which extends to future generations?
Which people? From where ?

Jews by 4th generation decent?

Jews are from Judea, from the land of Israel. They are back where they belong. Therefore there is no "4rth generation" Jews, as there were generations of Jews returning to their ancestral homeland long before the Mandate for Palestine.
All the way back to the first pogrom by Christians against Jews, or the Muslims expelling the Jews from Arabia.

4rth Generation Jews. You are a total laugh.

Arabs love you Habib.

 

[Humanity]

It isn't, as you originally suggested, applying "SOLELY to the Palestinian people".

There if no contradiction in my posts. My belief system is internally sound and applies to all people equally.

I am differentiating between the INDIVIDUAL status of refugees and the COLLECTIVE rights of indigenous peoples or those with a long history in a particular territory.

The intergenerational status of Palestinian refugees is exists for no other people. It is contrary to the conventions normally applied to defining refugees. It exists SPECIFICALLY to deny the collective rights of the Jewish people. That is morally wrong.

Nah, not buying into that one at all...

And that's where semantics start....

You KNOW that I am going to come in with the Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them) are indigenous people of Palestine (or whatever you want to call the region)... And you are going to tell me Jews are EXCLUSIVELY indigenous.

That's why I am outta this one.

 

[Shusha]

You KNOW that I am going to come in with the Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them) are indigenous people of Palestine (or whatever you want to call the region)... And you are going to tell me Jews are EXCLUSIVELY indigenous.

That's why I am outta this one.

Ryan Bellerose suggests that the Arab Palestinians are also indigenous. He makes a good argument.

However, it doesn't matter as I carefully assigned COLLECTIVE rights to both the Jewish people (as indigenous peoples) and the Palestinian peoples (as peoples of long history).

Why are you bowing out? Why don't you just agree with me that both the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinians have collective rights?

 

[Shusha]

And why don't you just agree with me that the Arab Palestinians shouldn't have some sort of special status when it comes to refugee rights?

 

[Coyote]

The idea of refugee status as a hereditary condition IS something unprecedented in history and international law. It applies SOLELY to the Palestinian people. For all other refugees it is an individual concern and not a collective one. For all other refugees, the condition ends when they are repatriated (rare), or when they are resettled. There is absolutely no reason for the Palestinian peoples to be given special consideration which no other peoples have..

I don't know Shusha... I don't want to "misunderstand" another one of your "traps" so...

Can you tell me the difference between Jewish "refugees" over the centuries and how this is different?

For example...

The expulsion of Jews from ancient Palestine made them refugees... Yet EVERY Jew, whether they have lived in Israel or not, has hereditary 'Right of Return'...

There is no difference. The Jewish people have collective rights to return to their ancestral and historical lands in the sovereign State of Israel.

The Palestinian people have collective rights to return to their historical lands in the (eventual) sovereign State of Palestine.

In this way the rights of all people are secured.

And I don't trap reasonable people. Why? Because they don't hold hypocritical and self-contradictory views. Don't worry, you and Coyote are safe from my evil machinations.

Phew..I was getting worried there

 

[Humanity]

You KNOW that I am going to come in with the Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them) are indigenous people of Palestine (or whatever you want to call the region)... And you are going to tell me Jews are EXCLUSIVELY indigenous.

That's why I am outta this one.

Ryan Bellerose suggests that the Arab Palestinians are also indigenous. He makes a good argument.

However, it doesn't matter as I carefully assigned COLLECTIVE rights to both the Jewish people (as indigenous peoples) and the Palestinian peoples (as peoples of long history).

Why are you bowing out? Why don't you just agree with me that both the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinians have collective rights?

I do agree that BOTH have collective rights... However, YOUR "collective rights" come with strings attached!

They being that you consider one "indigenous" and one "long history"!