ISA Arrests Terrorist Sniper Trying Use Humanitarian Permit to Attack IDF Soldiers

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is, at it heart, an interesting question.

It is clear that the Hostile Arab Palestinian want conflict, rather than peace,...

Really, What were their other options?

(OBSERVATION)

Peace is a condition of tranquillity, free of disturbance and conflict. Hostility, disturbance or conflict set the condition for something other than peace. While there can be degrees in magnitude and intensity to hostility, disturbance or conflict; peace doesn't come in degrees.

(COMMENT)

The choice of peace has no options. The alternative is only in the degrees of lethality, intensity, and magnitude to the conflict.

• In the case of the Arab Palestinian and the Arab League, the choice was made to use armed force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the establishment of the Jewish State. The Jewish State was established in a manner consistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in the option approved by Resolution 181(II).
  
• The Arab Palestinian and the Arab League rejected the peaceful alternative to the establishment of the Arab State in a manner consistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in the option approved by Resolution 181(II).
  
• The Arab Palestinian and the Arab League --- defying the resolution of the General Assembly --- engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the options approved by Resolution 181(II). The Arab Palestinian and the Arab League engaged the use of force employed as a means of settling international issues.

This is a question to a hypothetical past that cannot be changed. Only the path ahead can be altered. Just as the Arab Palestinian and the Arab League first use of armed force in contravention of the Charter constituted prima facie evidence of an act of aggression, so it must be that the Arab Palestinian and the Arab League must take the first step strengthening international peace founded upon freedom, equality, justice and respect for fundamental human rights and of developing friendly relations with the Jewish State.

The options for peace are following the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You might have been able to see the original borders and the rights, had the Hostile Arab and Arab League Armies immediately on the day of Independence.

Oh really? Where are those proposed borders? Where are the rights of the non Jewish population? Where is that international city of Jerusalem? Where is that economic union?

How can you post this when you know it is a crock of crap?

(COMMENT)

As you know, the Plan had multiple sections. The Hostile Arab Palestinian and foreign Arab League Army intervention and interference obstructed the implementation of the international city of Jerusalem portion, the Arab State, and full economic union.

It is the Hostile Arab and Arab League that altered the Plan; not the Israeli. And in the bungled attempt, to use force, lost more than territorial control.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

It is clear that the Hostile Arab Palestinian want conflict, rather than peace,...

Really, What were their other options?

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is clear that the Hostile Arab Palestinian want conflict, rather than peace,...

Really, What were their other options?

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

 

[Roudy]

Really, What were their other options?

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

Denial ain't a river in Egypt.

 

[Roudy]

I think it is time to curtail all but severe cases of need for medical treatment permits from Gazans into Israeli hospitals. Let the Gazans treat the vast majority of patients, rather than Israel.


ISA Arrests Terrorist Sniper Trying Use Humanitarian Permit to Attack IDF Soldiers
Published on: December 26, 2013

A resident of the Gaza Strip was in the process of planning a sniper attack on IDF soldiers, when he was injured and entered Israel with a humanitarian permit for medical care in Ramallah.

In early December, 2013, the ISA (Israel Security Agency or Shin Bet Security Service), with the assistance of the Israel Police, arrested a terrorist operative from the Gaza Strip’s Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades who has been involved in terrorist activity in recent years against civilians and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, including the planning of a sniper attack.

The operative, Mohammad Tzaber Mohammed Abu Amsha, a 32-year-old resident of Beit Hanun, admitted that he was training to be a sniper in an attack targeted at IDF soldiers along the Gaza Strip border fence. In order to research different ways to carry out the terror attack, he said he had collected information on IDF patrol movements in different areas, and information on their target practice exercises.

In the process of planning the attack Abu Amsha said he experienced an eye condition which impaired his sniping ability. He therefore requested to enter Israel with a humanitarian permit in order to receive medical treatment in a Ramallah hospital. The attack was postponed until his return to Gaza once his eyesight was to be restored.

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ISA Arrests Terrorist Sniper Trying Use Humanitarian Permit to Cause Harm

Attacks on soldiers are not terrorism.

Why are these lying sacks of shit playing the terrorist card?

Actually, anybody who uses humanitarian and medical privileges and facilities for terroristic purposes is the sack of shit here.

 

[Phoenall]

It is clear that the Hostile Arab Palestinian want conflict, rather than peace,...

Really, What were their other options?

Peace and acceptance of Israeli citizenship for those that wanted it. They did not have to slit the throats of innocent children and drink their blood, but that is the route they chose. You have not come across Islamic violence personally yet, and until you do you will not understand their soulless existence and evil culture.

Always remember that it was islam that started the war and Israel that accepted the UN recommendations.

 

[Phoenall]

Really, What were their other options?

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

Has islam ? You can bet that Israel will go down fighting and will execute rolling thunder to take out as many Islamic militants as it can, this will pave the way for the west to come in and take over. Then Israel will be reborn and will start producing medical supplies for the US once again.

 

[Phoenall]

It was the general view of the Commission members that the General Assembly resolution of last November 29 remained intact and that therefore the Commission was not and could not be legally dissolved.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

Oh really? Where are those proposed borders? Where are the rights of the non Jewish population? Where is that international city of Jerusalem? Where is that economic union?

How can you post this when you know it is a crock of crap?

No borders yet agreed, and the original ones that Israel agreed to are now extinct.

Enshrined in Jewish law and gives them the right to have representation in the Israeli Knesset

Under Jewish control and no longer being destroyed by Islamic fundementalists.

Look at the flourishing Israeli economy, then look at the floundering Palestinian one.

 

[Kondor3]

Really, What were their other options?

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

If there was any doubt, 1967 put an end to those doubts.

The Israelis have a country.

The Palestinians have shit.

The Israelis can slaughter and utterly destroy the Palestinians any time they wish, by hardening their hearts unleashing their military, without regard for the reaction of the outside world.

The Palestinians are powerless to stop them.

Ultimately, the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank continue to exist at the whim and at the discretion of the Jews of Israel.

That, to these eyes, is winning.

That, by any rational standards that I am aware of, is winning.

Then again, the Palestinians, collectively, are neither sane nor rational.

Even their own kind (Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) realize this and wall-off those mad dogs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Surrender, shut their mouths, and take what the victors were willing to offer at the time.

It would have gone much better for your Pals, and they would have gotten much more, had they done so at the time.

Before the window of opportunity for all that closed forevermore.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

If there was any doubt, 1967 put an end to those doubts.

The Israelis have a country.

The Palestinians have shit.

The Israelis can slaughter and utterly destroy the Palestinians any time they wish, by hardening their hearts unleashing their military, without regard for the reaction of the outside world.

The Palestinians are powerless to stop them.

Ultimately, the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank continue to exist at the whim and at the discretion of the Jews of Israel.

That, to these eyes, is winning.

That, by any rational standards that I am aware of, is winning.

Then again, the Palestinians, collectively, are neither sane nor rational.

Even their own kind (Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) realize this and wall-off those mad dogs.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

 

[Kondor3]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

If there was any doubt, 1967 put an end to those doubts.

The Israelis have a country.

The Palestinians have shit.

The Israelis can slaughter and utterly destroy the Palestinians any time they wish, by hardening their hearts unleashing their military, without regard for the reaction of the outside world.

The Palestinians are powerless to stop them.

Ultimately, the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank continue to exist at the whim and at the discretion of the Jews of Israel.

That, to these eyes, is winning.

That, by any rational standards that I am aware of, is winning.

Then again, the Palestinians, collectively, are neither sane nor rational.

Even their own kind (Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) realize this and wall-off those mad dogs.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

The only thing happening here is asymmetrical guerrilla warfare.

It is a flea in comparison to open warfare, and sporadic and small in scale, even for asymmetrical warfare.

The flea is all that remains of Arab combat operations against Israel.

Being reduced to the status of a flea is another strong indicator of defeat.

It is what their earlier idiocy has brought them to - refusing to surrender and accept terms, back in the days when there were halfway-decent terms to be had.

That window of opportunity has long-since closed, although the Israelis kept it open for decades before slamming it shut in disgust.

The Palestinians have nobody but themselves to blame, for allowing it to close.

Welcome to your consequences.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Israel has won nothing yet.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

If there was any doubt, 1967 put an end to those doubts.

The Israelis have a country.

The Palestinians have shit.

The Israelis can slaughter and utterly destroy the Palestinians any time they wish, by hardening their hearts unleashing their military, without regard for the reaction of the outside world.

The Palestinians are powerless to stop them.

Ultimately, the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank continue to exist at the whim and at the discretion of the Jews of Israel.

That, to these eyes, is winning.

That, by any rational standards that I am aware of, is winning.

Then again, the Palestinians, collectively, are neither sane nor rational.

Even their own kind (Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) realize this and wall-off those mad dogs.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

Put it this way the war is one of their making, it is not Israel's.

When was it Israel declared war on islam, and a citation is required that states ISRAEL DECLARES WAR

 

[P F Tinmore]

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

If there was any doubt, 1967 put an end to those doubts.

The Israelis have a country.

The Palestinians have shit.

The Israelis can slaughter and utterly destroy the Palestinians any time they wish, by hardening their hearts unleashing their military, without regard for the reaction of the outside world.

The Palestinians are powerless to stop them.

Ultimately, the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank continue to exist at the whim and at the discretion of the Jews of Israel.

That, to these eyes, is winning.

That, by any rational standards that I am aware of, is winning.

Then again, the Palestinians, collectively, are neither sane nor rational.

Even their own kind (Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) realize this and wall-off those mad dogs.

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

Put it this way the war is one of their making, it is not Israel's.

When was it Israel declared war on islam, and a citation is required that states ISRAEL DECLARES WAR

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe a hundred years ago and attacked the Zionists?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is actually a very (very) important point when it comes to the status of the "occupation."

That battle was over in 1948-1949.

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

(COMMENT)

• Remember, this is only one perspective: When was it that the Palestinians surrendered?

If we assume that the Palestinian was at war with Israel, and that there has never been a conclusion to that opening conflict, what consequence does that have?

The present Convention shall apply from the outset of any conflict or occupation mentioned in Article 2.

In the territory of Parties to the conflict, the application of the present Convention shall cease on the general close of military operations.

In the case of occupied territory, the application of the present Convention shall cease one year after the general close of military operations; however, the Occupying Power shall be bound, for the duration of the occupation, to the extent that such Power exercises the functions of government in such territory, by the provisions of the following Articles of the present Convention: 1 to 12, 27, 29 to 34, 47, 49, 51, 52, 53, 59, 61 to 77, 143.

Protected persons whose release, repatriation or re-establishment may take place after such dates shall meanwhile continue to benefit by the present Convention.

SOURCE: Geneva Convention (IV) 12 August 1949.

Normally, the Occupation would end "one year after the general close of military operations;" BUT! --- as you point out, "Look in the news. I still see war." Yes, the occupation never even came close to ending because the conflict remained opened by the Palestinian. There has never been a "year of" continuous peace on which to base the closure.

So, the West Bank Occupation (Jordanian 1948-50), the Annexation (Jordanian 1950-67), the change in control to re-Occupation (Israeli 1967-Present); and the Gaza Occupation (Egyptian 1948-1967), the change in control to re-Occupation (Israeli 1967-Present); the Israeli (and yourself) have not seen a "general close of military operations."

Secondly, as you have noted, the Palestinians have never demonstrated their refrain in their Regional relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the State of Israel; nor the good faith participation to settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not compromised.​

This puts the Palestinian at odds with --- Humanitarian Law and the more general Rule of Law (Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations) --- relative to this one issue taking in your perspective that the: Palestinians NEVER surrendered.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

If we assume that the Palestinian was at war with Israel, and that there has never been a conclusion to that opening conflict, what consequence does that have?

It means that Israel has won no territory and Palestine's international borders are still valid.

 

[Kondor3]

It's the same 'war-status' admission that Tinny tried to duck-out on, a couple of days ago...

Because he knows what happens to most of his arguments, once he acknowledges that the Palestinians are still actively engaged in warfare against Israel...

Not that the pro-Israeli side requires Tinny's personal acknowledgment in order to proceed in that vein...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Secondly, as you have noted, the Palestinians have never demonstrated their refrain in their Regional relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the State of Israel;...

Since the war has never ended, Israel has no territory to have any integrity. Israel occupies Palestine.

The Palestinians have the legal right to resist the occupation of their country.

 

[Kondor3]

If we assume that the Palestinian was at war with Israel, and that there has never been a conclusion to that opening conflict, what consequence does that have?

It means that Israel has won no territory and Palestine's international borders are still valid.

Palestinian propaganda maps of shrinking Palestinian-controlled land indicate that Israel has won a great deal of territory...

Palestine has never existed as an autonomous polity, and has never had international borders...

The unincorporated, unchartered region formerly known as Palestine was, indeed, bordered by a number of already-established nation-states with borders adjoining that unincorporated territory, but, those borders were indicative of where substantive nation-states ended, and where the political vacuum or nothingness of Palestine began...

Those weren't the borders of Palestine... those were the borders of Egypt and Jordan and Syria and Lebanon, butting-up against a slice of unincorporated, unorganized territory...

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's the same 'war-status' admission that Tinny tried to duck-out on, a couple of days ago...

Because he knows what happens to most of his arguments, once he acknowledges that the Palestinians are still actively engaged in warfare against Israel...

Not that the pro-Israeli side requires Tinny's personal acknowledgment in order to proceed in that vein...

Palestine was attacked a hundred years ago and they are still defending their country.