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[Kondor3]

It's the same 'war-status' admission that Tinny tried to duck-out on, a couple of days ago... Because he knows what happens to most of his arguments, once he acknowledges that the Palestinians are still actively engaged in warfare against Israel... Not that the pro-Israeli side requires Tinny's personal acknowledgment in order to proceed in that vein...

Palestine was attacked a hundred years ago and they are still defending their country.

Incorrect.

Palestine did not exist one hundred years ago as an organized and autonomous polity.

The region formerly known as Palestine was, indeed, subjected to considerable immigration by the Jews of Europe and the Russias.

But it wasn't attacked... melodramatic protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Palestinians aren't defending their country... they have no country to defend, and never did.

They are trying to hold onto land, and failing miserably.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's the same 'war-status' admission that Tinny tried to duck-out on, a couple of days ago... Because he knows what happens to most of his arguments, once he acknowledges that the Palestinians are still actively engaged in warfare against Israel... Not that the pro-Israeli side requires Tinny's personal acknowledgment in order to proceed in that vein...

Palestine was attacked a hundred years ago and they are still defending their country.

Incorrect.

Palestine did not exist one hundred years ago as an organized and autonomous polity.

It was, indeed, subjected to considerable immigration by the Jews of Europe and the Russias.

But it wasn't attacked... melodramatic protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

They aren't defending their country... they have no country to defend, and never did.

They are trying to hold onto land, and failing miserably.

Not true. Palestine had defined international borders, a legally recognized nationality, and citizens before the inception of the mandate.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Not true. Palestine had defined international borders, a legally recognized nationality, and citizens before the inception of the mandate."

How can that be?

Was not Palestine merely a former province of the Ottoman Empire, in receivership?

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...Not true. Palestine had defined international borders, a legally recognized nationality, and citizens before the inception of the mandate."

How can that be?

Was not Palestine merely a former province of the Ottoman Empire, in receivership?

It was but international treaties that were signed before the mandate changed all that.

Britain was assigned to the already existing Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice to its citizens.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Not true. Palestine had defined international borders, a legally recognized nationality, and citizens before the inception of the mandate."

How can that be?

Was not Palestine merely a former province of the Ottoman Empire, in receivership?

It was but international treaties that were signed before the mandate changed all that.

Britain was assigned to the already existing Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice to its citizens.

What international treaties were those?

Have you not told us in the past that External Powers have no business deciding the autonomy and fate of Palestine?

If that is true, then...

Is it not also true that External Powers have no business CREATING something called Palestine?

You can't have it both ways (external authority OK for some things but not for others).

 

[P F Tinmore]

How can that be?

Was not Palestine merely a former province of the Ottoman Empire, in receivership?

It was but international treaties that were signed before the mandate changed all that.

Britain was assigned to the already existing Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice to its citizens.

What international treaties were those?

Have you not told us in the past that External Powers have no business deciding the autonomy and fate of Palestine?

If that is true, then...

Is it not also true that External Powers have no business CREATING something called Palestine?

You can't have it both ways (external authority OK for some things but not for others).

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Among its twenty-seven articles, the 1925 Citizenship Order had three key provisions that shaped the future of Palestine’s inhabitants. One relates to the automatic change of the inhabitants’ nationality from Ottoman subjects into Palestinian citizens.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Really? Look in the news. I still see war.

When was it that the Palestinians surrendered? Link?

Put it this way the war is one of their making, it is not Israel's.

When was it Israel declared war on islam, and a citation is required that states ISRAEL DECLARES WAR

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe a hundred years ago and attacked the Zionists?

Not quite, but they did go to medina in 627 and wiped out a Jewish tribe. Have you heard of that first Islamic genocide when their holy prophet raped pre-pubescent girls on the ground were their fathers had been hacked to pieces.

As the Koran says

5:60 Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path."

and this from the hadiths

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." -- Sahih Muslim 6985

Now do be a good little NAZI and find details of the Jews declaring war on the muslims ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Put it this way the war is one of their making, it is not Israel's.

When was it Israel declared war on islam, and a citation is required that states ISRAEL DECLARES WAR

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe a hundred years ago and attacked the Zionists?

Not quite, but they did go to medina in 627 and wiped out a Jewish tribe. Have you heard of that first Islamic genocide when their holy prophet raped pre-pubescent girls on the ground were their fathers had been hacked to pieces.

As the Koran says

5:60 Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path."

and this from the hadiths

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." -- Sahih Muslim 6985

Now do be a good little NAZI and find details of the Jews declaring war on the muslims ?

Not quite, but they did go to medina in 627 and wiped out a Jewish tribe.

The Palestinians did that?

Oh my.

 

[Phoenall]

If we assume that the Palestinian was at war with Israel, and that there has never been a conclusion to that opening conflict, what consequence does that have?

It means that Israel has won no territory and Palestine's international borders are still valid.

Still telling that LIE even after being told that there are no international borders of Palestine. The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding. The Palestinians can not decide to accept what they have already denied when it suits them. Nor can they make threats regarding what Israel must put in place before they will talk about peace talks. Time for the UN to make demands of the Palestinians to settle the matter once and for all.

For the record Israel has offered to relinquish their hold on the territory in return for peace every year since 1967. The best offer they received was 98% of the land returned with a swap for the other 2% and Arafat the *** turned it down out of hand.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If we assume that the Palestinian was at war with Israel, and that there has never been a conclusion to that opening conflict, what consequence does that have?

It means that Israel has won no territory and Palestine's international borders are still valid.

Still telling that LIE even after being told that there are no international borders of Palestine. The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding. The Palestinians can not decide to accept what they have already denied when it suits them. Nor can they make threats regarding what Israel must put in place before they will talk about peace talks. Time for the UN to make demands of the Palestinians to settle the matter once and for all.

For the record Israel has offered to relinquish their hold on the territory in return for peace every year since 1967. The best offer they received was 98% of the land returned with a swap for the other 2% and Arafat the *** turned it down out of hand.

The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding.

Where does it say that?

 

[Phoenall]

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe a hundred years ago and attacked the Zionists?

Not quite, but they did go to medina in 627 and wiped out a Jewish tribe. Have you heard of that first Islamic genocide when their holy prophet raped pre-pubescent girls on the ground were their fathers had been hacked to pieces.

As the Koran says

5:60 Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path."

and this from the hadiths

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." -- Sahih Muslim 6985

Now do be a good little NAZI and find details of the Jews declaring war on the muslims ?

Not quite, but they did go to medina in 627 and wiped out a Jewish tribe.

The Palestinians did that?

Oh my.

Yes the self same mixed blood muslim monsters that you support did that, Just as they also murdered and raped in Hebron before Israel was thought of. In fact they murdered all over palestine in 1929. They also invaded Europe and stole land that was not theirs in Spain and enslaved the legal occupants in the process. Mass murdered thousands of innocents that refused to convert to islam. They are evil personified as this little film shows [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg]Why Palestinians Want This Video Removed - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Phoenall]

It means that Israel has won no territory and Palestine's international borders are still valid.

Still telling that LIE even after being told that there are no international borders of Palestine. The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding. The Palestinians can not decide to accept what they have already denied when it suits them. Nor can they make threats regarding what Israel must put in place before they will talk about peace talks. Time for the UN to make demands of the Palestinians to settle the matter once and for all.

For the record Israel has offered to relinquish their hold on the territory in return for peace every year since 1967. The best offer they received was 98% of the land returned with a swap for the other 2% and Arafat the *** turned it down out of hand.

The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding.

Where does it say that?

BBC NEWS | Middle East | UN Security Council resolution 242

•Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries free from threats or acts of force;


Now Israel has already managed to do this with 2 of its neighbours, and the outcome was mutually beneficial. In fact in one case the USA had to promise monetary aid in the $billions before the Islamic nation would sign.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Yes, if only Israel's enemies realized that co-operation would be so much more beneficial than to vow to wipe Israel out. Israel has a lot to offer and share, yet her enemies prefer death and living in the dark ages to progress and happiness.

 

[Phoenall]

The Ethnic cleansing of Jews was done by Rome...sure Islam expanded by conversions and the sword just like all early religions, however Jews and Christians flourished within it. Certainly in the ME.

How can anyone believe a word you post while you ignore the AL's international conspiracy to disenfranchise, beggar and eject close to one million of their own citizenry simply because they were Jewish?

Why do you ignore that crime against humanity?

I have never denied that atrocity and have posted many times that Israel deserved to be in the ME to the 67 borders because of it...

Now the Arab League has offered a permanent peace, recognition, and trade as recently as a few months ago, but Israel refuses the offer and puts salt into this festering wound of a conflict by expanding the confiscation of Arab Lands with settlement building by ignoring UN demands to cease and desist.

No '67 borders have ever existed. It is an Islamic LIE that was started to steal more land from Israel. Read the UN transcripts and see that the '67 "borders" were just ceasefire lines with no legal standing. UN res 242 spells it out very clearly that Israel has to negotiate with its neighbours mutually agreeable borders, and it does not mention the Palestinians as being part of the deal. So it is now up to Syria and Lebanon to agree borders with Israel and the deal is done.

 

[Kondor3]

It was but international treaties that were signed before the mandate changed all that.

Britain was assigned to the already existing Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice to its citizens.

What international treaties were those?

Have you not told us in the past that External Powers have no business deciding the autonomy and fate of Palestine?

If that is true, then...

Is it not also true that External Powers have no business CREATING something called Palestine?

You can't have it both ways (external authority OK for some things but not for others).

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Among its twenty-seven articles, the 1925 Citizenship Order had three key provisions that shaped the future of Palestine’s inhabitants. One relates to the automatic change of the inhabitants’ nationality from Ottoman subjects into Palestinian citizens.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Tinny... the so-called creation of a Palestinian 'state' was no more than a British court opinion in 1940 which held in favor of such and which was never widely recognized nor implemented either within the Empire nor the world at-large.

At best it was a questionable legal construct but the object of the exercise was never a polity in the real world; not even pro forma; overseen by outsiders. The so-called 'Citizenship Order' of 1925 did, indeed, render Muslims, Christians and Jews of the area as so-called 'citizens' of this unincorporated territory; a sort of two-hop Imperial Citizenship; but none of that was focused upon an extant polity (real or pro forma) nor with any guarantees of permanency at the expiration of the Mandate.

Thus, the Jews of the region were also 'citizens' of this so-called loosely-defined and occupation-dependent territory, and the Declaration of Israeli Statehood in 1948 was the secession of one of those groups of citizens from this most unsatisfactory and nonexistent polity, and striking out on their own to form their own country from part of that old territory.

Happens all the time, in the history of the world.

Once they declared their own country, they established for themselves the right to make laws, to appropriate land, and to define and grant and withdraw citizenship, just like any other self-made country on the face of the planet.

The Muslims of Palestine were simply incompetent and failed to plan and failed to organize adequately in order to do something similar for themselves.

That bumbling and incompetency cannot be laid on the doorstep of the Jews of Israel.

Your boys were hopelessly outclassed in every possible way, and were simply out-smarted.

Nature has de-selected them.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

How can anyone believe a word you post while you ignore the AL's international conspiracy to disenfranchise, beggar and eject close to one million of their own citizenry simply because they were Jewish?

Why do you ignore that crime against humanity?

I have never denied that atrocity and have posted many times that Israel deserved to be in the ME to the 67 borders because of it...

Now the Arab League has offered a permanent peace, recognition, and trade as recently as a few months ago, but Israel refuses the offer and puts salt into this festering wound of a conflict by expanding the confiscation of Arab Lands with settlement building by ignoring UN demands to cease and desist.

No '67 borders have ever existed. It is an Islamic LIE that was started to steal more land from Israel. Read the UN transcripts and see that the '67 "borders" were just ceasefire lines with no legal standing. UN res 242 spells it out very clearly that Israel has to negotiate with its neighbours mutually agreeable borders, and it does not mention the Palestinians as being part of the deal. So it is now up to Syria and Lebanon to agree borders with Israel and the deal is done.

It's true that the 1967 borders never really existed--they were just armistice lines. But negogiations have to start from someplace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Still telling that LIE even after being told that there are no international borders of Palestine. The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding. The Palestinians can not decide to accept what they have already denied when it suits them. Nor can they make threats regarding what Israel must put in place before they will talk about peace talks. Time for the UN to make demands of the Palestinians to settle the matter once and for all.

For the record Israel has offered to relinquish their hold on the territory in return for peace every year since 1967. The best offer they received was 98% of the land returned with a swap for the other 2% and Arafat the *** turned it down out of hand.

The facts are entrenched in 242 that say the borders must be negotiated before they become legally binding.

Where does it say that?

BBC NEWS | Middle East | UN Security Council resolution 242

•Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries free from threats or acts of force;


Now Israel has already managed to do this with 2 of its neighbours, and the outcome was mutually beneficial. In fact in one case the USA had to promise monetary aid in the $billions before the Islamic nation would sign.

Where does it say anything about negotiating borders?

Everybody, except Israel of course, already had international borders.

 

[Kondor3]

Israel's borders are what Israel says they are.

If you disagree, you are free to try to change them.

Don't be surprised, though, and no whiny-***** pissing and moaning, if you get your head handed to you on a platter, in the process.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's borders are what Israel says they are.

If you disagree, you are free to try to change them.

Don't be surprised, though, and no whiny-***** pissing and moaning, if you get your head handed to you on a platter, in the process.

OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Israel's meat head approach to the conflict is biting it on the ass.

 

[Phoenall]

Where does it say that?

BBC NEWS | Middle East | UN Security Council resolution 242

•Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries free from threats or acts of force;


Now Israel has already managed to do this with 2 of its neighbours, and the outcome was mutually beneficial. In fact in one case the USA had to promise monetary aid in the $billions before the Islamic nation would sign.

Where does it say anything about negotiating borders?

Everybody, except Israel of course, already had international borders.

I see that English is not your first language it states " SECURE AND RECOGNISED BORDERS". That means the borders don't exist in full and have to be negotiated.

Israel has international borders with Egypt and Jordan, both negotiated and agreed. In both cases Israel offered the return of gaza and the west bank as part of the deal. Egypt and Jordan both told Israel that the areas were now their responsibility and washed their hands of them. Do you hink Egypt and Jordan knew something that you dont