Is US - Russia war possible?

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Here's my take.

It's hard to know what's true between Ukraine and Russia aside from knowing that they have conflict that has probably existed for centuries. The Trump Administration gave Ukraine anti-tank missiles that they can use to protect themselves from a Russian, armored assault. As an American, I don't want to be involved in such affairs and I certainly do NOT support going to war with Russia over a border dispute with Ukraine.
no, there was no conflict going on between Russia and Ukraine for cebturies.

actually, there was never Ukraine as a state.
Ukraine and Russia was one state pre-Mongol invasion, but after Mongols crushed all Russia lands part of Russian lands were occupied by Poland and later became Ukraine, part - by Liethuania and later became Belarus. Part stayed independent - later became Russia.

And in 17th century Polish Russians aka Ukrainians started a rebellion against Polish yoke and asked Russian tsar to protect them, taking intoRussian state. It was done and since then Ukraine has been in Russia.

Actually Ukraine in Russian language means Borderland. Ukrainians - Borderlanders. And there were several Ukraines in Russia, this Ukraine was just one of these regions.

But in 2014 US sponsired a Nazi coup in Kiev and since then this regime does everything pkssible to start a wad with Russia to tear two natikns from each other.

How many Ukranians did Stalin starve to death?
Stalin's left regime is estimated to have killed 3.5 million Ukrainians during the Holodomor
ok, a Georgian Stalin killed not less Russians during the same hunger, should we bomb Georgia now? Or maybe we should bomb Ukraine for those starved Russians? Ukraine was not less a Soviet republic then than Russia.
Well, it's a little late to act on any of that now....but we would have bombed the Soviet Union, not just Georgia, and the Govt seat of the USSR, was in Russia...Moscow actually.

and lets' not forget Russia, invaded Georgia in 1922, and took over the country and forced their leftist regime on them....let by Stalin
UN sits in New York but it doesn't mean that geographical location is equial to political decision making and responsubility.

Ukraine was as part of USSR as Russia, and USSR is gone, now Ukraine holds full responsibility for its crimes against humanity and oppressive regime.

though, Ukrainians themselves say that they are now under external administration from Washington. Biden bragged himsrlf that he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine.

So it is actually the US is who is responsible.
US foreign policy also UN and EU wanted Ukraine to clean up its reputation so they could attract much needed foreign investment.
They weren't going to get foreign investment when there was an on going war, from the Russian invasion.
 

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Here's my take.

It's hard to know what's true between Ukraine and Russia aside from knowing that they have conflict that has probably existed for centuries. The Trump Administration gave Ukraine anti-tank missiles that they can use to protect themselves from a Russian, armored assault. As an American, I don't want to be involved in such affairs and I certainly do NOT support going to war with Russia over a border dispute with Ukraine.
no, there was no conflict going on between Russia and Ukraine for cebturies.

actually, there was never Ukraine as a state.
Ukraine and Russia was one state pre-Mongol invasion, but after Mongols crushed all Russia lands part of Russian lands were occupied by Poland and later became Ukraine, part - by Liethuania and later became Belarus. Part stayed independent - later became Russia.

And in 17th century Polish Russians aka Ukrainians started a rebellion against Polish yoke and asked Russian tsar to protect them, taking intoRussian state. It was done and since then Ukraine has been in Russia.

Actually Ukraine in Russian language means Borderland. Ukrainians - Borderlanders. And there were several Ukraines in Russia, this Ukraine was just one of these regions.

But in 2014 US sponsired a Nazi coup in Kiev and since then this regime does everything pkssible to start a wad with Russia to tear two natikns from each other.

How many Ukranians did Stalin starve to death?
Stalin's left regime is estimated to have killed 3.5 million Ukrainians during the Holodomor
ok, a Georgian Stalin killed not less Russians during the same hunger, should we bomb Georgia now? Or maybe we should bomb Ukraine for those starved Russians? Ukraine was not less a Soviet republic then than Russia.
Well, it's a little late to act on any of that now....but we would have bombed the Soviet Union, not just Georgia, and the Govt seat of the USSR, was in Russia...Moscow actually.

and lets' not forget Russia, invaded Georgia in 1922, and took over the country and forced their leftist regime on them....let by Stalin
UN sits in New York but it doesn't mean that geographical location is equial to political decision making and responsubility.

Ukraine was as part of USSR as Russia, and USSR is gone, now Ukraine holds full responsibility for its crimes against humanity and oppressive regime.

though, Ukrainians themselves say that they are now under external administration from Washington. Biden bragged himsrlf that he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine.

So it is actually the US is who is responsible.
US foreign policy also UN and EU wanted Ukraine to clean up its reputation so they could attract much needed foreign investment.
They weren't going to get foreign investment when there was an on going war, from the Russian invasion.

Comparing the Ukraine Policies of Obama and Trump|US RESIST
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Oct 30, 2019 · The Obama administration focused more on the security and economic reform of Ukraine, because of the 2014 invasion of Ukraine by Russia. The goal for US foreign policy at that time was to make sure Ukraine would regain its democracy and protect its sovereignty. US/Ukraine policy was grounded in the Budapest Memorandum 1994. The question is, why?
 

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Here's my take.

It's hard to know what's true between Ukraine and Russia aside from knowing that they have conflict that has probably existed for centuries. The Trump Administration gave Ukraine anti-tank missiles that they can use to protect themselves from a Russian, armored assault. As an American, I don't want to be involved in such affairs and I certainly do NOT support going to war with Russia over a border dispute with Ukraine.
no, there was no conflict going on between Russia and Ukraine for cebturies.

actually, there was never Ukraine as a state.
Ukraine and Russia was one state pre-Mongol invasion, but after Mongols crushed all Russia lands part of Russian lands were occupied by Poland and later became Ukraine, part - by Liethuania and later became Belarus. Part stayed independent - later became Russia.

And in 17th century Polish Russians aka Ukrainians started a rebellion against Polish yoke and asked Russian tsar to protect them, taking intoRussian state. It was done and since then Ukraine has been in Russia.

Actually Ukraine in Russian language means Borderland. Ukrainians - Borderlanders. And there were several Ukraines in Russia, this Ukraine was just one of these regions.

But in 2014 US sponsired a Nazi coup in Kiev and since then this regime does everything pkssible to start a wad with Russia to tear two natikns from each other.

How many Ukranians did Stalin starve to death?
Stalin's left regime is estimated to have killed 3.5 million Ukrainians during the Holodomor
ok, a Georgian Stalin killed not less Russians during the same hunger, should we bomb Georgia now? Or maybe we should bomb Ukraine for those starved Russians? Ukraine was not less a Soviet republic then than Russia.
Well, it's a little late to act on any of that now....but we would have bombed the Soviet Union, not just Georgia, and the Govt seat of the USSR, was in Russia...Moscow actually.

and lets' not forget Russia, invaded Georgia in 1922, and took over the country and forced their leftist regime on them....let by Stalin
UN sits in New York but it doesn't mean that geographical location is equial to political decision making and responsubility.

Ukraine was as part of USSR as Russia, and USSR is gone, now Ukraine holds full responsibility for its crimes against humanity and oppressive regime.

though, Ukrainians themselves say that they are now under external administration from Washington. Biden bragged himsrlf that he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine.

So it is actually the US is who is responsible.
US foreign policy also UN and EU wanted Ukraine to clean up its reputation so they could attract much needed foreign investment.
They weren't going to get foreign investment when there was an on going war, from the Russian invasion.

Comparing the Ukraine Policies of Obama and Trump|US RESIST
...
Oct 30, 2019 · The Obama administration focused more on the security and economic reform of Ukraine, because of the 2014 invasion of Ukraine by Russia. The goal for US foreign policy at that time was to make sure Ukraine would regain its democracy and protect its sovereignty. US/Ukraine policy was grounded in the Budapest Memorandum 1994. The question is, why?
Obama's policies lead to a Putin invasion......Trump armed the Ukrainians against the assault....the Obama Admin allowed the Biden family to growth their wealth because of the chaos
 

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In what way have Russians living in Ukraine been victimized by the government and people of Ukraine?
starting with forced assimilation, ban of Russian speaking broadcasting, books, cinema, education in Russian, use of Russian language in service industries etc.

then, political repressions, lawless detention for years, torture, murders of Russian speaking activists and journalists advocating good relations with Russia.

with murderers known but not persecuted.

and so on.
Damn. Sounds like what the USA is now.
 

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With full approval and encouragement of Washington Ukraine seems to be going to start an offensive against separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk on the border with Russia.
multiple videos emerge with Ukrainian heavy weapons going to the Eastern border.

at the same time Ukrainian regime closed 4 main opposition TV channels and started mass repressions against opposition - obviously consolidating power and Ukrainian society before entering the war ...

while there are 400 000 Russian citizens living in those republics and Russia has made it clear that it will not allow genocide against Russians there.

Russian and Ukrainian military capabilities are incomparable and it is obvious that Ukraine would not dare to provoke a military conflict with Russia if it did not have guarantees of involvement of the US and probably NATO.

but Putin recently said, that in case of military actions against Russia force will be used not against perpetrators only but also against decision makers....

all this makes US-Russia direct military conflict possible, including stikes against US territory if Russian territory gets involved in NATO/US military operations..

I hope not. It will be a messy and death riddled war.
Putin and Trump got along. At odds, but still had some respect for each other. Putin knew he could not walk all over Trump and vice versa. But now Biden is in there and there is no respect from Putin because he know what a moron Biden is. If anything, Putin and Xi will form a relationship and both come after us. Again..much bloodshed. All because idiots wanted Biden in the WH and cheated to do it.
Actually this might be Biblical, where as my mom and dad actually spoke of these prophesies way back in the day. They have both since passed on for along time now, but I remember them speaking of this possibility as they had interpreted it while reading.
My parents are both gone now too, but Dad always said it was not Russia to be feared. It was CHINA. This, back in 1960 or late 1950s.
 

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Of course war is possible. The Dems seem to think of Russia as a defeated power that can easily be pushed around.


They seem to have no concept of the real balance of power.


They are fools.
 

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With full approval and encouragement of Washington Ukraine seems to be going to start an offensive against separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk on the border with Russia.
multiple videos emerge with Ukrainian heavy weapons going to the Eastern border.

at the same time Ukrainian regime closed 4 main opposition TV channels and started mass repressions against opposition - obviously consolidating power and Ukrainian society before entering the war ...

while there are 400 000 Russian citizens living in those republics and Russia has made it clear that it will not allow genocide against Russians there.

Russian and Ukrainian military capabilities are incomparable and it is obvious that Ukraine would not dare to provoke a military conflict with Russia if it did not have guarantees of involvement of the US and probably NATO.

but Putin recently said, that in case of military actions against Russia force will be used not against perpetrators only but also against decision makers....

all this makes US-Russia direct military conflict possible, including stikes against US territory if Russian territory gets involved in NATO/US military operations..

You don't like it, just leave. And take your arsenals with you. Or be forced to leave. And Ukraine has every legal and moral right to kick your sorry butts out using Military Force. You are Invaders. And it's not just the US, it's a lot of countries that want you out. The other Balkan States are very nervous because they know it can happen to them. But the Ukrainians don't want another country to do their fighting for them. They know how to fight. They just need the tools to do it and a lot of countries are willing to provide that. You are occupiers of Ukraine.
Do you feel the same about the US in Iraq and Afghanistan? After all we are the invaders there too.
Now is war possible? Yes very much so, since Biden is the CCP puppet and it would play right into their plans for world economic domination if the US and Russia were involved in a war with each other. This would take out both of China's main competitors already weakened by their biological attack.
 
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I love this. The Party of the Rump shows their true colors and sides heavily with a known Russian Plant. I discovered he was and he has now come out of the dark. And it looks like the Party of the Rump has shown that they are HUGE supporters of Russia. No wonder Russia has had so much influence on the party of the rump. It's a Russian Front.
 

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I love this. The Party of the Rump shows their true colors and sides heavily with a known Russian Plant. I discovered he was and he has now come out of the dark. And it looks like the Party of the Rump has shown that they are HUGE supporters of Russia. No wonder Russia has had so much influence on the party of the rump. It's a Russian Front.

We don't want to get drawn into a war that we have no stake in.


That has nothing to do with being pro-Russia.


It is also worth noting that you talk like a retarded baby.
 

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I love this. The Party of the Rump shows their true colors and sides heavily with a known Russian Plant. I discovered he was and he has now come out of the dark. And it looks like the Party of the Rump has shown that they are HUGE supporters of Russia. No wonder Russia has had so much influence on the party of the rump. It's a Russian Front.

We don't want to get drawn into a war that we have no stake in.


That has nothing to do with being pro-Russia.


It is also worth noting that you talk like a retarded baby.
Thank you for giving us a glimpse at the Future under the Party of the Rump, Ivan. Your Leader, Comrade Rump is proud of you and will wait for the second round to feed you to the lions.
 

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Vrenn, I think all these outrageous Trumpsters deserve some vacation in Gulag, don't you think? For the sake of democracy, of course..
Do you mean that they scare even you? Tell you what, you helped to create them, you can have them. Please send transportation.
 
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Vrenn, I think all these outrageous Trumpsters deserve some vacation in Gulag, don't you think? For the sake of democracy, of course..
Do you mean that they scare even you? Tell you what, you helped to create them, you can have them. Please send transportation.
no, you Democrats are quite good in building Stalinist Gulag and persecuting Trumpists yourselves, Putin's supression in Russia looks like a kindergarden compared with Biden's America :)
 

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Vrenn, I think all these outrageous Trumpsters deserve some vacation in Gulag, don't you think? For the sake of democracy, of course..
Do you mean that they scare even you? Tell you what, you helped to create them, you can have them. Please send transportation.
no, you Democrats are quite good in building Stalinist Gulag and persecuting Trumpists yourselves, Putin's supression in Russia looks like a kindergarden compared with Biden's America :)
Been to both worlds. Trust me on this one, I live much better and happier in "Bidens World" or any other American Presidents world than your world. Of course, you are paid to post.
 

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In what way have Russians living in Ukraine been victimized by the government and people of Ukraine?
starting with forced assimilation, ban of Russian speaking broadcasting, books, cinema, education in Russian, use of Russian language in service industries etc.

then, political repressions, lawless detention for years, torture, murders of Russian speaking activists and journalists advocating good relations with Russia.

with murderers known but not persecuted.

and so on.
Damn. Sounds like what the USA is now.
If not now completely, it will be heading hard in that direction. I mean it has already started with the tearing down the monument's etc.

Other countries have got to be looking on in horror as we sit back allowing our whole of history being attempted to be wiped out by these new groups that have formed since in America.
 

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With full approval and encouragement of Washington Ukraine seems to be going to start an offensive against separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk on the border with Russia.
multiple videos emerge with Ukrainian heavy weapons going to the Eastern border.

at the same time Ukrainian regime closed 4 main opposition TV channels and started mass repressions against opposition - obviously consolidating power and Ukrainian society before entering the war ...

while there are 400 000 Russian citizens living in those republics and Russia has made it clear that it will not allow genocide against Russians there.

Russian and Ukrainian military capabilities are incomparable and it is obvious that Ukraine would not dare to provoke a military conflict with Russia if it did not have guarantees of involvement of the US and probably NATO.

but Putin recently said, that in case of military actions against Russia force will be used not against perpetrators only but also against decision makers....

all this makes US-Russia direct military conflict possible, including stikes against US territory if Russian territory gets involved in NATO/US military operations..

I hope not. It will be a messy and death riddled war.
Putin and Trump got along. At odds, but still had some respect for each other. Putin knew he could not walk all over Trump and vice versa. But now Biden is in there and there is no respect from Putin because he know what a moron Biden is. If anything, Putin and Xi will form a relationship and both come after us. Again..much bloodshed. All because idiots wanted Biden in the WH and cheated to do it.
Actually this might be Biblical, where as my mom and dad actually spoke of these prophesies way back in the day. They have both since passed on for along time now, but I remember them speaking of this possibility as they had interpreted it while reading.
My parents are both gone now too, but Dad always said it was not Russia to be feared. It was CHINA. This, back in 1960 or late 1950s.
Was keying on the uniting of Russia and China in the situation. That's what my parent's were saying way, way back.
 

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Vrenn, I think all these outrageous Trumpsters deserve some vacation in Gulag, don't you think? For the sake of democracy, of course..
Do you mean that they scare even you? Tell you what, you helped to create them, you can have them. Please send transportation.
no, you Democrats are quite good in building Stalinist Gulag and persecuting Trumpists yourselves, Putin's supression in Russia looks like a kindergarden compared with Biden's America :)
Been to both worlds. Trust me on this one, I live much better and happier in "Bidens World" or any other American Presidents world than your world. Of course, you are paid to post.
Hmmm, if a pro-citizen of whatever country you live in, then how would life for you be any different than life in a Bidens world would be ??? Isn't it about the patriotism and mindsets built up around said patriotism, otherwise regardless of what country you reside in ?? Does countries take care of their loyal patriots in order to form a country full of loyalist ??? We are living in 2021 not 1943, otherwise where nation's have since modernized, and their citizen's have far greater freedom's than were evidenced in the past. What makes our top citizen patriot's any different than other nation's top citizen patriot's ??? How restrictive are their movements as citizen's in comparison to ours etc ??
 

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With full approval and encouragement of Washington Ukraine seems to be going to start an offensive against separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk on the border with Russia.
multiple videos emerge with Ukrainian heavy weapons going to the Eastern border.

at the same time Ukrainian regime closed 4 main opposition TV channels and started mass repressions against opposition - obviously consolidating power and Ukrainian society before entering the war ...

while there are 400 000 Russian citizens living in those republics and Russia has made it clear that it will not allow genocide against Russians there.

Russian and Ukrainian military capabilities are incomparable and it is obvious that Ukraine would not dare to provoke a military conflict with Russia if it did not have guarantees of involvement of the US and probably NATO.

but Putin recently said, that in case of military actions against Russia force will be used not against perpetrators only but also against decision makers....

all this makes US-Russia direct military conflict possible, including stikes against US territory if Russian territory gets involved in NATO/US military operations..

You don't like it, just leave. And take your arsenals with you. Or be forced to leave. And Ukraine has every legal and moral right to kick your sorry butts out using Military Force. You are Invaders. And it's not just the US, it's a lot of countries that want you out. The other Balkan States are very nervous because they know it can happen to them. But the Ukrainians don't want another country to do their fighting for them. They know how to fight. They just need the tools to do it and a lot of countries are willing to provide that. You are occupiers of Ukraine.
Wrong.
Khrushchev was wrong to arbitrarily put the Crimea and other areas under the Ukraine in the 1950s.
These areas are historically and traditionally Russian, and should never have been given over to Ukraine administration, which has been extremely unfair, abusive, and discriminatory.
The bad guy is the Ukraine, and the US should stop backing the bad guy.
The Ukraine has no moral or legal right at all.
Only individuals have legal or moral rights, and in those areas, they are ethnic Russians.
 

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With full approval and encouragement of Washington Ukraine seems to be going to start an offensive against separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk on the border with Russia.
multiple videos emerge with Ukrainian heavy weapons going to the Eastern border.

at the same time Ukrainian regime closed 4 main opposition TV channels and started mass repressions against opposition - obviously consolidating power and Ukrainian society before entering the war ...

while there are 400 000 Russian citizens living in those republics and Russia has made it clear that it will not allow genocide against Russians there.

Russian and Ukrainian military capabilities are incomparable and it is obvious that Ukraine would not dare to provoke a military conflict with Russia if it did not have guarantees of involvement of the US and probably NATO.

but Putin recently said, that in case of military actions against Russia force will be used not against perpetrators only but also against decision makers....

all this makes US-Russia direct military conflict possible, including stikes against US territory if Russian territory gets involved in NATO/US military operations..

You don't like it, just leave. And take your arsenals with you. Or be forced to leave. And Ukraine has every legal and moral right to kick your sorry butts out using Military Force. You are Invaders. And it's not just the US, it's a lot of countries that want you out. The other Balkan States are very nervous because they know it can happen to them. But the Ukrainians don't want another country to do their fighting for them. They know how to fight. They just need the tools to do it and a lot of countries are willing to provide that. You are occupiers of Ukraine.
Do you feel the same about the US in Iraq and Afghanistan? After all we are the invaders there too.
Now is war possible? Yes very much so, since Biden is the CCP puppet and it would play right into their plans for world economic domination if the US and Russia were involved in a war with each other. This would take out both of China's main competitors already weakened by their biological attack.
The US was totally and completely wrong and even evil to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Crimea is Russian, and it was right for Russia to invade to defend Russians from abuse by Ukrainians.
 

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