Is Trump FINALLY Learning Appeasement NEVER Works?

[AntonToo]

So, you're open to territorial consessions in return for peace?

Of course but it's not about me, I repeat again - Zelenski has ALREADY agreed to unconditional ceasefire and Putin ALREADY rejected it.

Putin is not interested in simply keeping what he has, his condition is "de-militarized" Ukraine that can't defend itself and is de-facto under his control.

 

[Correll]

They'll be tought to blame Zelenski and "Kievan regime" for it.

I doubt that.

 

[AntonToo]

I doubt that.

You need to watch more videos of common Russians brainwashed to hilt.

It's jaw dropping what they have been tained to belive even while knowing that the state TV lies to them.

 

[Correll]

Of course but it's not about me,

Kind of a bad sign, that on a discussion site, that a poster doesn't want to discuss his personal views on policy.

I repeat again - Zelenski has ALREADY agreed to unconditional ceasefire and Putin ALREADY rejected it.

We were talking about peace treaties and suddenly you're talking about CEASEFIRES.

Nice change of subject there.

Why do you think you felt you had to play a game like that, instead of being serious?

Putin is not interested in simply keeping what he has, his condition is "de-militarized" Ukraine that can't defend itself and is de-facto under his control.

Perhaps. But when you lose a war, you have to accept results that are not what you want.

He should have thought of that, before he started a war.

 

[AntonToo]

Kind of a bad sign, that on a discussion site, that a poster doesn't want to discuss his personal views on policy.

...wtf? I just told you that that my personal position is that I would of course agree to some territorial concession to end the war.

Do you know how to read?

 

[Correll]

...wtf? I just told you that that my personal position that that I would of course agree to some territorial concession to end the war.

Do you know how to read?

"but it's not about me,"

 

[Nostra]

Donald Trump has always admired strongmen, even communist dictators. He has had a particular fawning admiration of Stalinist dictator Vladimir Putin for decades, going back to the 90s.

Trump on Fox News:

O'REILLY: Putin's a killer.

TRUMP: There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers. Well, you think our country is so innocent?

Does it get more supplicating sycophancy to Putin than that?!?

So much for America First! That's not how a patriot talks about America.

Imagine how the Fox News viewers would have reacted if Obama ever said such a thing! Imagine how YOU would have reacted!



Some time ago, Trump wanted to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and offered the penthouse, valued at $50 million, to Putin. Despite working on business dealings in Russia, Trump denied it during the 2016 campaign. When he was finally outed as lying, he claimed everyone knew about it! And his followers did an Orwellian acceptance of these lies.

These, and other examples, explain Trump's weakness with Putin. This explains why Putin has no fear of Trump and has intensely ramped up his drone and missile attacks on Ukrainian civilians since Trump was sworn in. And all Trump can do is whine, "Vladimir, STOP!" after he had tried to appease Putin in Saudi Arabia and thought he had negotiated a cease fire with the mass murdering war criminal.

Trump came back from Saudi Arabia and immediately began parroting Putin's lies and propaganda. Team Trump began calling Zelensky a dictator (talk about irony!) and summoned him to the White House for the most disgraceful shaming of an ally in the history of America.

Trump having shown whose side he was on, the drones and missiles began falling heavier and harder on Ukraine.

Still unable to face the reality his best friend was ***** slapping him, Trump announced he was going to provide Ukraine DEFENSIVE weapons. Trump STILL won't provide Ukraine the means to get Putin out of Ukraine and get their country back. Ukraine needs OFFENSIVE weapons.

The appeasers of the 70s and 80s made the same noises MAGAs make. They whimpered about World War III. They took Russia's side over our allies'. They curled up in the fetal position and sucked their thumbs.

Ronald Reagan ignored the weak-minded and the appeasers. He stood up to KGB Putin's superiors. He upped the pressure on them, and they finally collapsed in ruin.

We need another Reagan, not a thumb-sucking, dictator-appeasing, loser.

Trump needs to wake up to the realities of the world.

US to resume delivery of 'defensive weapons' to Ukraine, says Trump​

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Can you hook us up to a link to all the meetings and negotiations for peace Tater had with Putin, Simp?

Oh wait, all he did was piss away hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to continue the killing.

Seriously, STFU with your terminal TDS induced yaksqueeze.

 

[AntonToo]

We were talking about peace treaties and suddenly you're talking about CEASEFIRES.

Nice change of subject there.

Why do you think you felt you had to play a game like that, instead of being serious?

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

Let me explain it to you VERY SIMPLY, Zelenski will have NO CHOICE but to accept some territorial concessions. Ukrainians generally support some concession like that and America and EU have a very big leverage to force it.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine has to recognize Crimea, but it will mean end of the war. Ukraine will not be able to invade those territories because it will re-spark the war and Ukraine would lose international support if it does.

 

[AntonToo]

"but it's not about me,"

A statement which followed me stating my opinion.

Are you dumb or something?

 

[Nostra]

You need to watch more videos of common Russians brainwashed to hilt.

It's jaw dropping what they have been tained to belive even while knowing that the state TV lies to them.

No doubt you have seen them all.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I don't give a flying **** about Ukraine and what happens to it. When I look at those people with Ukraine flags in their profile photos, bios, or signs in their lawn, if you love it so much, why don't you move there? Same goes for supporters of any foreign country. Russia, Israel, Palestine. If you love those countries so much, get out of the US, and move there!

 

[Correll]

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

Let me explain it to you VERY SIMPLY, Zelenski will have NO CHOICE but to accept some territorial concessions. Ukrainians generally support some concession like that and America and EU have a very big leverage to force it.

I agree. Most lefties on this site, have not and insist that any such statement is akin to "having a man crush on Putin" or some such retarded shit talk.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine has to recognize Crimea, but it will mean end of the war. Ukraine will not be able to invade those territories because it will re-spark the war and Ukraine would lose international support if it does.

I disagree. For a.. an ACCEPTABLE deal for Putin, he has to have a "promise" that Ukraine will not pursue the war into Russia held territories, or god forbid Russia itself.


For that, Ukraine has to formally "recognize" the territory losses that are, or will be eventually negotiated.

IMO.

 

[Correll]

A statement which followed me stating my opinion.

Are you dumb or something?

Nope. So, when a man on a political discussion site, resists discussing his personal position on policy,

that's a red flag.

 

[AntonToo]

Nope. So, when a man on a political discussion site, resists discussing his personal position on policy,

that's a red flag.

Where did I resist?

I've answered your question directly, immediately saying that I support territorial concessions.

You need to go get your head checked.

 

[kyzr]

Again you don't know what you are talking about, EU has committed $162 billion to Ukraine assistance.

The US committed $185b, so I do know exactly what I am talking about. The EU Needs at least $23b to catch up.

Funding

 

[AntonToo]

The US committed $185b, so I do know exactly what I am talking about. The EU Needs at least $23b to catch up.

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23 Billion is about how much UK contributed, who is not an EU member.

Why would economically smaller EU be expected to "catch up"?

They have certainly pulled their weight compared to US contrbution with respect to their economy size and your suggestion that they are somehow "riding coat tails' is simply false.

And not ONLY is it false, it's a complete Red Herring. Trump administration's effective position TO THIS DAY is - "not a penny for Ukraine". Trump is barely sending what was ALREADY signed off by Biden and for the rest the plan is to have weapons SOLD, not given.

 

[gipper]

You still don't get it, it's not about Crimea, If it was there would not be war.

De-facto capitulation of their sovereignty is about all of Ukraine. It means that Kremlin gets to dictate policy to Kiev and install "friendly" repressive regimes like in Belarus.

It means a Ukraine that abandons the ideals of democracy, transparent, law based governing and other essentials of EU integration and is sucked back into Czarist "Russian world".

So ridiculous.

 

[AntonToo]

I don't give a flying **** about Ukraine and what happens to it. When I look at those people with Ukraine flags in their profile photos, bios, or signs in their lawn, if you love it so much, why don't you move there? Same goes for supporters of any foreign country. Russia, Israel, Palestine. If you love those countries so much, get out of the US, and move there!

Because you don't have to stop loving US or move to Ukraine to support it's rightious defense against an unprovoked invasion.

What you've just posted is simply a false choice fallacy.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Because you don't have to stop loving US or move to Ukraine to support it's rightious defense against an unprovoked invasion?

What you've just posted is simply a false choice fallacy.

Supporting Ukraine as an American is one of the most pointless, and asine things an American can ever do. A waste of money, it is immoral (Ukraine provoked the conflict, suspended elections, has actual Nazis in their army, etc).

 

[g5000]

So, you're open to territorial consessions in return for peace?

Never.