Is There Scientific Evidence Supporting the Floor of Noah?

Are secular scientists prone to exaggeration in support of accepted theories?

  • Yes, at least on occasion.

    Votes: 5 83.3%
  • No, never. They are highly respected and above tweaking data... They are above suspicion.

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6
There's no evidence of transitions in the fossil record except for one fossil, the one that's pictured in every single biology text with a caption saying it's "an example" of a transitional form; it's actual not an example but the only example. The fossil record shows rapid (in geological terms) destruction of life forms followed by rapid creation of different life forms.

There is a wealth of evidence for transitional fossils. You won’t find the data at any Christian madrassah but elsewhere, there is lots of information outside of fundamentalist ministries.

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A
 
I asked how old you believe it is. Of course know one knows for sure.

I thought you ran away from the forum b/c it was too much for your brain. I think it's around 6K - 10K yrs old and the evidence fits it.

Good for you sport. You’ve proven you are a devout idiot Christian.

It's you who is an idiot. You said in your previous post, "no one knows for sure" in a stupid way. If there isn't a definitive answer, then 6K - 10K is fine since I have evidence for it.
 
I asked how old you believe it is. Of course know one knows for sure.

I thought you ran away from the forum b/c it was too much for your brain. I think it's around 6K - 10K yrs old and the evidence fits it.

Good for you sport. You’ve proven you are a devout idiot Christian.

It's you who is an idiot. You said in your previous post, "no one knows for sure" in a stupid way. If there isn't a definitive answer, then 6K - 10K is fine since I have evidence for it.
No dummy, that's not how anything works. "We arent 100% sure, therefore 50/50"....moronic....
 
Daniel 2:39 says that the Persians ruled the world, which of course they didn't, as we know. As the ancients knew, however, they did rule the world; the world was Palestine.

Look what David says about the earth:

The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein,
for he has founded it upon the seas
and established it upon the rivers. (Ps 24:1-2)
The earth is the land established on bodies of water. It is not the planet.

Why is this so difficult for so many of my fellow Christians to understand? Our 21st-century worldview that includes knowledge of the Middle Ages, the Industrial Revolution and specialization, an expanding universe, laissez-faire economics, and all the rest, was not the worldview of the ancients.

Two different ages. Two different cultures. It's really just that simple.
 
I asked how old you believe it is. Of course know one knows for sure.

I thought you ran away from the forum b/c it was too much for your brain. I think it's around 6K - 10K yrs old and the evidence fits it.

Good for you sport. You’ve proven you are a devout idiot Christian.

It's you who is an idiot. You said in your previous post, "no one knows for sure" in a stupid way. If there isn't a definitive answer, then 6K - 10K is fine since I have evidence for it.
I’m never surprised when religious extremists make bellicose claims about evidence for miracles and supernaturalism but then screaming for the exits when tasked with presenting evidence.
 
That's all total nonsense. The Earth is 4.54 billion years old, no matter who measures it. And there is no "center of the universe"...where are you getting this crap....?
I get "this crap" from books. The last one, from which I got the 2.75 billion years, was written by a physicist with his PhD from MIT. Not crap.
Estimates of the age of the universe vary. From the last book I read on the subject, 2.75 billion was an estimate accepted as valid by cosmologists. It's been a few years so that may have changed.
There is a center of the universe. It's the point from which the universe originated. The universe is expanding at a measurable rate. Extrapolating from that rate, the origin point has been identified.
Time doesn't flow at a constant rate throughout the universe. On Earth, the planet is billions of years old but measuring from elsewhere would result in a different age. Using the chi spiral, that age at the center of the universe would be about 6000 years.

Great. Since there is ample evidence for supernatural design, you must have a few examples you can share.

You have a few examples, right?
Sure. I'll have to offer only a couple from memory now and briefly. If you'd like more, I can dig out the book I suggested.

The statistical probability of eyes evolving to their current form over different lengths of time has been calculated. Even with the highest estimates for the age of the universe, eyes are a statistical impossibility.

How nerves grow and operate has been studied thoroughly. Why they develop as they do remains a mystery. That is, how do the nerves "know" where to grow to and what to connect with.

The statistical probability of birth defects is an order of magnitude greater than the incidence of birth defects.

Gravity anchors us to the earth. What's gravity? That is, what actually connects our bodies to the planet? The only answer is particle waves called gravitons. How and why gravity exists is unknown.

Dr. Schroeder's book really explains this much better than I ever could.

No it doesn't.
Have you read it?

Shameless lie....
If you think something someone said is incorrect, it's appropriate to say to them that it's incorrect; it's not appropriate to accuse them of lying. Thank you.

There is a wealth of evidence for transitional fossils. You won’t find the data at any Christian madrassah but elsewhere, there is lots of information outside of fundamentalist ministries.

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A
Interesting article. Thanks. I'll have to look into it further. The article does seem to contain some preconceptions and assumptions, but I'm only a layman, and it's definitely worth studying more.

Just an FYI, since I'm new here: I'm not a Fundamentalist and my religious beliefs are actually very non-traditional as Christianity goes. I get my information about these things from books on science written for laymen, am completely open to new information from all sources, and willing to have my mind changed. I'm very interested in how evolutionary biology and quantum physics relate to religion and see no conflict between science and faith.
 
I get "this crap" from books. The last one, from which I got the 2.75 billion years, was written by a physicist with his PhD from MIT.
No it wasn't. And who cares if it was? The age of the earth is based on mountains of empirical evidence, not the wishful thinking of a paid liar trying to sell books.
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Estimates of the age of the universe vary.
Not by more than about 5%, they don't. You are just making stuff up.

There is a center of the universe. It's the point from which the universe originated.
100% wrong. Complete and utter horseshit. You literally just made up that nonsense.


Extrapolating from that rate, the origin point has been identified.
Time doesn't flow at a constant
No it hasnt. That is not how it works. You are making stuff up and embarrassing yourself.

Time doesn't flow at a constant rate throughout the universe. On Earth, the planet is billions of years old but measuring from elsewhere would result in a different age.
No it wouldn't. Complete nonsense that you also just made up.
 
I asked how old you believe it is. Of course know one knows for sure.

I thought you ran away from the forum b/c it was too much for your brain. I think it's around 6K - 10K yrs old and the evidence fits it.

Good for you sport. You’ve proven you are a devout idiot Christian.

It's you who is an idiot. You said in your previous post, "no one knows for sure" in a stupid way. If there isn't a definitive answer, then 6K - 10K is fine since I have evidence for it.
No dummy, that's not how anything works. "We arent 100% sure, therefore 50/50"....moronic....

It is you who is a dummy, and your bud BTM can't help, because he's a moron or around 40 IQ.

You couldn't answer how anyone knew how much lead was in the universe since no one could measure it. This is using uranium-lead RM dating. In fact, all of evolution is not observable. That makes it less than 50/50 since what you start with is everything. If you knew what was there in the beginning, then you'd have 100%. For all we know, you could have 0% or IT'S ALL WRONG!!! I've stated over and over atheists and their scientists are usually wrong.

OTOH, creation scientists are on solid ground because we still have a nice looking Milky Way Galaxy. If the universe was more than a few hundred million years old, then our galaxy would be all wound up with a featureless disc of stars instead of its nice spiral shape. Next, there are too few supernova remnants. Supernovas explode at a rate of one every 25 years. That fits around 7K years, but not billions of years. You are way off.

That should give you more than enough to try and answer haha.
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.
 
I asked how old you believe it is. Of course know one knows for sure.

I thought you ran away from the forum b/c it was too much for your brain. I think it's around 6K - 10K yrs old and the evidence fits it.

Good for you sport. You’ve proven you are a devout idiot Christian.

It's you who is an idiot. You said in your previous post, "no one knows for sure" in a stupid way. If there isn't a definitive answer, then 6K - 10K is fine since I have evidence for it.
No dummy, that's not how anything works. "We arent 100% sure, therefore 50/50"....moronic....

It is you who is a dummy, and your bud BTM can't help, because he's a moron or around 40 IQ.

You couldn't answer how anyone knew how much lead was in the universe since no one could measure it. This is using uranium-lead RM dating. In fact, all of evolution is not observable. That makes it less than 50/50 since what you start with is everything. If you knew what was there in the beginning, then you'd have 100%. For all we know, you could have 0% or IT'S ALL WRONG!!! I've stated over and over atheists and their scientists are usually wrong.

OTOH, creation scientists are on solid ground because we still have a nice looking Milky Way Galaxy. If the universe was more than a few hundred million years old, then our galaxy would be all wound up with a featureless disc of stars instead of its nice spiral shape. Next, there are too few supernova remnants. Supernovas explode at a rate of one every 25 years. That fits around 7K years, but not billions of years. You are way off.

That should give you more than enough to try and answer haha.

How nice that ID’iot creationists “have a nice looking Milky Way Galaxy”.

What ID’iot creationists don’t do is define how a “nice looking Milky Way Galaxy”, tells anyone anything relevant about space-time.

I was never aware that Supernovae explode on a specific timeframe. That must be a part of the Id’iot creationist math used by the creationist quacks to support the all-seeing, all-knowing bibles.
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

I can’t help but notice that history as recited by the religo’s assumes one accepts the “....because I as so” admonition.
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.


I am sure you have proof of that???


cause there is a mountain of proof you are wrong,,,
 
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That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.


I am sure you have proof of that???


cause there is a mountain of proof you are wrong,,,

A mountain of proof that man and T-Rex existed at the same time? No.
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.


I am sure you have proof of that???


cause there is a mountain of proof you are wrong,,,

A mountain of proof that man and T-Rex existed at the same time? No.


for man and dinosaur the answer is yes,,,
its just that your religion requires you to ignore it or be attacked for blasphemy,,,
 
That is your answer? A T-Rex ran them all away? lol

He didn't have to run them away. People would stay away from it. Even among the smaller ones were meat eaters.

The only reason you won't understand this is because fake evolution told you that they were hundreds of millions years old and became extinct. It's part of evo history which isn't written down anywhere.

People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.


I am sure you have proof of that???


cause there is a mountain of proof you are wrong,,,

A mountain of proof that man and T-Rex existed at the same time? No.


for man and dinosaur the answer is yes,,,
its just that your religion requires you to ignore it or be attacked for blasphemy,,,

You take Ken Ham’s amusement park as a literal rendering of history?
 
People didn't stay away from T-Rex. He was long extinct before people came along.

And prey always run from predators (or hide). That has no bearing on why there are no higher animals in the fossils on top of Mt Everest.

How could T-Rex be long extinct when God made these creatures on the same day as humans? On the day before, the fifth day, God created birds. Evos just made up the story that birds came from dinosaurs because birds are the only creatures with feathers. Thus, in recent years they made up that birds evolved from them instead of reptiles. They've started to put feathers on dinosaurs. That is ridiculous.

Predators have a prey drive and it is natural for them to go after prey. The dinosaurs were uninhibited. I suppose they could be captured by humans and made to serve them. There should be stories of this kind of things throughout history. There are no stories of feathered dinosaurs in history. There are no stories of dinosaurs turning into birds. Why is it there are no stories of dinosaurs becoming extinct from an asteroid, volcanoes, and very warm climate trends? History does not back up evolution.



No animals on top of Mt. Everest means that the Himalayas rose up from the ocean. No land animals living there. Noah's Flood also created the deepest oceans. The fake scientist in the youtube thinks they discovered something new.
 

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