Is there a tradeoff between freedom and prosperity?

[Baruch Menachem]

Lots of folks justify such pest holes as Cuba and North Korea as improvements on what had gone on before. (In Cuba's case, codswallop)

Even if tyranny were the way to prosperity, or just limited freedom made things a little better for you if not for those around you, is that a path that anyone should take?

 

[Samson]

I have a greater concern about people who believe Cats speak English with weird accents.

 

[Ragnar]

Lots of folks justify such pest holes as Cuba and North Korea as improvements on what had gone on before. (In Cuba's case, codswallop)

Even if tyranny were the way to prosperity, or just limited freedom made things a little better for you if not for those around you, is that a path that anyone should take?

I think the best answer/example to your question is Korea itself. See: collectivist North verses the Individualist South.

I'd say no to the path of limited freedom every time. Yes to some rule of law with very limited regulations that apply equaly to all. The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and nothing more.

/2 cents

 

[Kex]

Never worked before so I'd say no. However government being involved heavily in economic activity of the nation proved to be very successful in Europe and North America.

P.S. For crowd who identifies freedom based on tax burden go fuck yourself and do not comment on what I just said, thanks.

 

[Kex]

Lots of folks justify such pest holes as Cuba and North Korea as improvements on what had gone on before. (In Cuba's case, codswallop)

Even if tyranny were the way to prosperity, or just limited freedom made things a little better for you if not for those around you, is that a path that anyone should take?

I think the best answer/example to your question is Korea itself. See: collectivist North verses the Individualist South.

I'd say no to the path of limited freedom every time. Yes to some rule of law with very limited regulations that apply equaly to all. The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and nothing more.

/2 cents

South Korea has universal healthcare system. That god damn commie influence!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I'd be pretty disappointed if any didn't know who that quote is from.

 

[Ragnar]

Lots of folks justify such pest holes as Cuba and North Korea as improvements on what had gone on before. (In Cuba's case, codswallop)

Even if tyranny were the way to prosperity, or just limited freedom made things a little better for you if not for those around you, is that a path that anyone should take?

I think the best answer/example to your question is Korea itself. See: collectivist North verses the Individualist South.

I'd say no to the path of limited freedom every time. Yes to some rule of law with very limited regulations that apply equaly to all. The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and nothing more.

/2 cents

South Korea has universal healthcare system. That god damn commie influence!

The nice thing about South Korea is that if someone got really sick they could always hop a plane to Hawaii in case they needed real great care.

Anyway, the OP brought it up and if you can make a case that South Korea is more collectivist than North Korea I'd love to hear it. (also your plans for a perpetual motion machine while your at it)

 

[Kex]

I think the best answer/example to your question is Korea itself. See: collectivist North verses the Individualist South.

I'd say no to the path of limited freedom every time. Yes to some rule of law with very limited regulations that apply equaly to all. The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and nothing more.

/2 cents

South Korea has universal healthcare system. That god damn commie influence!

The nice thing about South Korea is that if someone got really sick they could always hop a plane to Hawaii in case they needed real great care.

Anyway, the OP brought it up and if you can make a case that South Korea is more collectivist than North Korea I'd love to hear it. (also your plans for a perpetual motion machine while your at it)

Wait, North Korea is the standard now? Right wing sure knows how to dive deep.

 

[Ragnar]

South Korea has universal healthcare system. That god damn commie influence!

The nice thing about South Korea is that if someone got really sick they could always hop a plane to Hawaii in case they needed real great care.

Anyway, the OP brought it up and if you can make a case that South Korea is more collectivist than North Korea I'd love to hear it. (also your plans for a perpetual motion machine while your at it)

Wait, North Korea is the standard now? Right wing sure knows how to dive deep.

Standard for what?

What Korea is, is a stark and handy example of one culture and how the question of freedom and prosperity was anwered in that divided place. That is the point of this thread after all.

 

[MIPS]

Is there a tradeoff between freedom and prosperity?

Yes, the less freedom you have, the less prosperity you get.

 

[Dr Grump]

(In Cuba's case, codswallop)[/quote]

Really? You know this how?

 

[Kex]

The nice thing about South Korea is that if someone got really sick they could always hop a plane to Hawaii in case they needed real great care.

Anyway, the OP brought it up and if you can make a case that South Korea is more collectivist than North Korea I'd love to hear it. (also your plans for a perpetual motion machine while your at it)

Wait, North Korea is the standard now? Right wing sure knows how to dive deep.

Standard for what?

What Korea is, is a stark and handy example of one culture and how the question of freedom and prosperity was anwered in that divided place. That is the point of this thread after all.

Question was answered with socialized medicine? My my. I bet they have welfare too.

 

[Kex]

Is there a tradeoff between freedom and prosperity?

Yes, the less freedom you have, the less prosperity you get.

Somalia being the case, oh wait.

 

[Dr Grump]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I'd be pretty disappointed if any didn't know who that quote is from.

I don't. But I could Google it! Prolly one of your founding fathers no doubt. Franklin? Jefferson?

 

[Dr Grump]

Is there a tradeoff between freedom and prosperity?

Yes, the less freedom you have, the less prosperity you get.

Yeah, just look at all that freedom your banking institutions had. Worked out real well for you didn't it?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I'd be pretty disappointed if any didn't know who that quote is from.

I don't. But I could Google it! Prolly one of your founding fathers no doubt. Franklin? Jefferson?

Franklin. One of his more famous ones, I'm surprised you've never heard it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I'd be pretty disappointed if any didn't know who that quote is from.

I don't. But I could Google it! Prolly one of your founding fathers no doubt. Franklin? Jefferson?

Franklin. One of his more famous ones, I'm surprised you've never heard it.

Have heard it many times on this board. I'm not American, so I don't know all your famous sayings....

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I don't. But I could Google it! Prolly one of your founding fathers no doubt. Franklin? Jefferson?

Franklin. One of his more famous ones, I'm surprised you've never heard it.

Have heard it many times on this board. I'm not American, so I don't know all your famous sayings....

That's right! I keep forgetting that. Well, then you're excused for not knowing.

 

[MIPS]

Is there a tradeoff between freedom and prosperity?

Yes, the less freedom you have, the less prosperity you get.

Yeah, just look at all that freedom your banking institutions had. Worked out real well for you didn't it?

Yeah, it's not like we already regulate the hell out of the banking industry or anything.

 

[Ragnar]

Wait, North Korea is the standard now? Right wing sure knows how to dive deep.

Standard for what?

What Korea is, is a stark and handy example of one culture and how the question of freedom and prosperity was anwered in that divided place. That is the point of this thread after all.

Question was answered with socialized medicine? My my. I bet they have welfare too.

You did not understand the question then. And if you don't understand the difference between North and South Korea then your too dumb for this conversation.