Is the military a leftist socialist construct? Can we scale some of it?

[citygator]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

- lack of freedom
- must obey orders without question
- must die when ordered

Yep. Sounds like a leftist commie utopia wet dream.

 

[cnm]

Because from my understanding US political parties do not take input from members then agree on policies which they promulgate and implement. Rather, all they can do is offer choices of candidates and collect money, which leaves the electorate fractured and without common goals.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Because from my understanding US political parties do not take input from members then agree on policies which they promulgate and implement. Rather, all they can do is offer choices of candidates and collect money, which leaves the electorate fractured and without common goals.

Exactly

 

[kyzr]

You must obey the orders of those appointed over you.....no independent thoughts or actions.

 

[citygator]

You must obey the orders of those appointed over you.....no independent thoughts or actions.

Those aren’t applicable to civilian life. Just like driving a tank isn’t applicable to civilian life.

 

[Kondor3]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

No thank you.

Although not a combat veteran, I've served during wartime, staring-down the goddamned Soviets in Europe, and I've experienced the system up-close.

As have a great many other folk haunting this particular board-system.

These are perqs that come with the job of defending our country and a willingness to put one's life at-risk and to fight and obey orders.

Beyond the chokingly-structured confines of the military...

Free men and women lead their own lives and make their own way in the world without being beholden to political masters or dependent upon a State Teat.

If you are disabled or handicapped in some way and are unable to "make your own way" then society can certainly lend a hand for as long as truly needed.

But if you are able-bodied and of sound mind then your livelihood and your fate are (and should be, and should remain) in your own hands and not the State.

And if you ARE able-bodied and of sound mind and choose not to "make your own way" then Nature will (and should) de-select you.

Society at-large... the Collective, if you will... is under no particular obligation to prop you up if you will not "make your own way".

Nor should it go broke nor deplete the wallets and purses of those who do, merely to prop-up such fools and layabouts, just so some can feel better.

 

[kyzr]

Those aren’t applicable to civilian life. Just like driving a tank isn’t applicable to civilian life.

Your OP seems to only fit the homeless, not the employed, not entrepreneurs, not government workers, not the Elon Musks, etc., just the aimless uninspired people who need free shit.
Socialism for losers.

 

[Esdraelon]

Those aren’t applicable to civilian life. Just like driving a tank isn’t applicable to civilian life.

I don't understand what you're asking. Are you saying that this model could be used by our government to employ citizens?

My dad grew up in depression era south Alabama and took advantage of the Civilian Conservation Corps. They sent him to Oregon on a train and he joined hundreds of other guys in building National Parks infrastructure. He learned how to operate heavy equipment and basically lived in barracks like he was in the military. I think he said he got 2 dollars a week and the government sent another 8 dollars home to his parents. He did this for two years then the war came along and he smoothly transitioned into the Army.

The problem with that kind of organization in 2022 is that the youth simply wouldn't work. Sure, you could find willing workers if they were given a chance to learn a trade like plumbing or electrician but the kind of "make work" that the government does would not be something they'd stay for.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Those aren’t applicable to civilian life. Just like driving a tank isn’t applicable to civilian life.

Likewise, all the "perks" military life you list are not applicable to liberty.

 

[Mr Natural]

And then there’s the officer/enlisted caste system.

 

[marvin martian]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

Do you understand what people give up when they join the military? Are you willing to do that?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

Calling North Korea and Kim will answer who great it tis…

You are owned by the Military and you have no freedom nor are you allow to think for yourselves, ya know like what it was like during the Soviet Days, so you truly want that?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No thank you.

Although not a combat veteran, I've served during wartime, staring-down the goddamned Soviets in Europe, and I've experienced the system up-close.

As have a great many other folk haunting this particular board-system.

These are perqs that come with the job of defending our country and a willingness to put one's life at-risk and to fight and obey orders.

Beyond the chokingly-structured confines of the military...

Free men and women lead their own lives and make their own way in the world without being beholden to political masters or dependent upon a State Teat.

If you are disabled or handicapped in some way and are unable to "make your own way" then society can certainly lend a hand for as long as truly needed.

But if you are able-bodied and of sound mind then your livelihood and your fate are (and should be, and should remain) in your own hands and not the State.

And if you ARE able-bodied and of sound mind and choose not to "make your own way" then Nature will (and should) de-select you.

Society at-large... the Collective, if you will... is under no particular obligation to prop you up if you will not "make your own way".

Nor should it go broke nor deplete the wallets and purses of those who do, merely to prop-up such fools and layabouts, just so some can feel better.

Racist

 

[FA_Q2]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

It takes a nation of 350 million people to pay for those things which are offered to less than 10 million.

And that requires 1/3 of the total budget. That is why you cannot offer the same package to everyone. To get those benefits you have to be willing to die for them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Seems to work for the best military organization in the world. Why can’t we adopt some of the practices broadly in society? Discuss and be polite please.

Here is what the military offers:

- Guaranteed housing
- Guaranteed employment
- Guaranteed healthcare for family
- Free food
- Education tuition assistance up to $8k annually
- Tightly tiered pay structure w/caps on earnings
- 30 days of vacation
- Zero percent home loans
- GI bill which is different than tuition assistance

Army Benefits

Joining the Army gets you much more than a paycheck. You get a fulfilling career with a comprehensive benefits package to support your growth and success both during your time in service and in your future.

www.goarmy.com

I have a better idea: people that want these things can join the military and get them. What's that you say? You don't want to have to work for these things? Very well, how about this:

*Free food
*Free clothing
*Free medical care
*Free cable television
*Free limited internet
*A pool hall
*A workout room
*No wealthy people
*Nobody has guns except the police
*Very few if any Republicans

Where is this liberal utopia I speak of? They're called prisons. They are not that hard to get into, and they're full of Democrats already.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because from my understanding US political parties do not take input from members then agree on policies which they promulgate and implement. Rather, all they can do is offer choices of candidates and collect money, which leaves the electorate fractured and without common goals.

One party never discusses policies or goals, it simply calls the other side names and makes false claims that their candidates are lying and corrupt.

Their party has no platform because if their leader is elected he won't do any of it - he didn't do much outside of tax cuts last time, and the stuff he did which wasn't even in the platform, the trade wars, failed utterly, and lead to record level of farm bailouts and bankruptcies.

Republicans attack Democratic policies because Dems want employers to raise wages instead of taxpayers providing "earned income credits" while employers pay record dividends. Who's really getting the "government handouts" here? 80% of the adults receiving food stamps work at least 40 hours per week. Only 60 percent of the top 20% of wealthy Americans are working.

I guess that proves that getting money you didn't have to work for, makes people lazy, and is a disincentive to them finding work. If we take this money away from the lazy non-workers at the top, and give it to the workers at the bottom, the people in the middle won't have to pay taxes to supplement the crappy wages.

Prices will rise a bit to compensate, but taxes will go down because every $1 the government gives out in program benefits, costs you $1.50 in taxes by the time you tack on administration costs for the program and wages for those who administer it. But at a 22% tax rate, every $1 of raise is fully tax deductible by the employer and only costs the employer $0.78, while reducing both taxes, wasteful government programs, and the size of government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

One party never discusses policies or goals, it simply calls the other side names and makes false claims that their candidates are lying and corrupt.

Their party has no platform because if their leader is elected he won't do any of it - he didn't do much outside of tax cuts last time, and the stuff he did which wasn't even in the platform, the trade wars, failed utterly, and lead to record level of farm bailouts and bankruptcies.

Republicans attack Democratic policies because Dems want employers to raise wages instead of taxpayers providing "earned income credits" while employers pay record dividends. Who's really getting the "government handouts" here? 80% of the adults receiving food stamps work at least 40 hours per week. Only 60 percent of the top 20% of wealthy Americans are working.

I guess that proves that getting money you didn't have to work for, makes people lazy, and is a disincentive to them finding work. If we take this money away from the lazy non-workers at the top, and give it to the workers at the bottom, the people in the middle won't have to pay taxes to supplement the crappy wages.

Prices will rise a bit to compensate, but taxes will go down because every $1 the government gives out in program benefits, costs you $1.50 in taxes by the time you tack on administration costs for the program and wages for those who administer it. But at a 22% tax rate, every $1 of raise is fully tax deductible by the employer and only costs the employer $0.78, while reducing both taxes, wasteful government programs, and the size of government.

If you raise wages people will just work less hours to stay on these programs. This is what's going on in states that have a $15.00 minimum wage.

You don't live here so you have no personal experiences, only opinions. But as a local truck driver I seen it all the time. I don't know (or care) what goes on in Commida, but here poverty is a choice, not an infliction. Outside of people with mental or physical problems, there is no excuse for being poor.