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[GreatestIam]

Did Jesus ever say 'our spiritual natures' were against God? Did the Old Testament, the Law of Moses ever declare itself against God? Did Jesus ever declare He or the Old Testament, or the Law of Moses was against God?

God the Father, and God the Son, are different persons. No need for time travel.

I have and do read the Bible. Perhaps you should also before you make such ignorant statements.

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Moses rejected Yahweh and that is why he was denied the promised land.

Go read your Bible for the first time and see why Moses intelligently and morally told Yahweh to **** off.

 

[Quantrill]

Moses rejected Yahweh and that is why he was denied the promised land.

Go read your Bible for the first time and see why Moses intelligently and morally told Yahweh to **** off.

That's another lie. Moses failed to act in faith by believing God to speak to the Rock. Instead, in anger toward the people of Israel, he smote the Rock twice. For that he could not lead the people into the promised land.

See (Num. 20:1-13).

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[martybegan]

it's human 'life' in the sense that it is human DNA to potentially become A life.





uh-huh.

So it's a rock?

It's organic, it's alive. Anything else is semantics.

 

[martybegan]

This link shows which states have the death penalty (27)

State by State | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

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Not surprisingly, most of the non-death penalty states are lib states

Some crimes simply don't deserve "3 hots and a cot" for the remainder of the criminal's life.

I set the limit at pre-meditated murder, murder during the course of other crimes (especially rape), murder of law enforcement, and spree/serial murder.

 

[GreatestIam]

That's another lie. Moses failed to act in faith by believing God to speak to the Rock. Instead, in anger toward the people of Israel, he smote the Rock twice. For that he could not lead the people into the promised land.

See (Num. 20:1-13).

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He was not evil enough to follow Yahweh's vile requests to murder wholesale. Would you murder innocent women and children for your God?

 

[toobfreak]

When do we accept the collective blame for creating murderers?

When we are all offered the collective capacity to have guidance and input into everyone's lives. Until then, I bear no responsibility for how others turn out as the state raised them or they raised themselves.

We make them, then kill them off, and say what good people we are.

No, they make themselves (with an often large helping from bureaucratic idiots), almost never kill anyone off now, and only for the most heinous offenses, and I'm not aware of anyone saying what good people we are for it. Maybe if you know such a person, you can point him out to us.

 

[Quantrill]

He was not evil enough to follow Yahweh's vile requests to murder wholesale. Would you murder innocent women and children for your God?

No, pay attention. I know it's difficult for you. Moses was not evil. God was/is not evil. Moses through anger against the children of Israel smote the Rock instead of speaking to the Rock. He did it in unbelief when God told him to speak to the Rock. (Num. 20:1-3). 'Num.' means the book of 'Numbers'. If you get lost hollar back at me.

God's requests to kill all in the promised land were not evil. They were good. It is always good when God destroys those who are not His. When God destroys those who hate His people and would destroy them.

When God sends all those who are not His to an eternal lake of fire, it is good. Because what God does is good.

There are no innocent women and children, or men. I thought you said you read the Bible? Gee, you must have just had one that had pictures only. What a stupid theology you have.

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[GreatestIam]

No, they make themselves (with an often large helping from bureaucratic idiots),

Your sexuality can be controlled by bureaucratic. Wow.

Get help.

 

[GreatestIam]

What a stupid theology you have.

It beats having to adore a genocidal prick of a God.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Moses rejected Yahweh and that is why he was denied the promised land.

That is NOT the reason he was denied the promised land.

I believe it was because he didn't trust God completely on some issue or another. All I know w/ certainty is that what you say here is BOGUS.

 

[forkintheroad7]

He was not evil enough to follow Yahweh's vile requests to murder wholesale. Would you murder innocent women and children for your God?

Where do you get your so called information?

Here is the reason Moses couldn't enter the promised land--from the most reliable Bible (Douay Rheims)

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:


Take the rod, and assemble the people together, thou and Aaron thy brother, and speak to the rock before them, and it shall yield waters. And when thou hast brought forth water out of the rock, all the multitude and their cattle shall drink.


Moses therefore took the rod, which was before the Lord, as he had commanded him,


And having gathered together the multitude before the rock, he said to them: Hear, ye rebellious and incredulous: Can we bring you forth water out of this rock?


And when Moses had lifted up his hand, and struck the rock twice with the rod, there came forth water in great abundance, so that the people and their cattle drank,


And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: Because you have not believed me, to sanctify me before the children of Israel, you shall not bring these people into the land, which I will give them.



Me: Moses asked a QUESTION ("Can we bring... forth water?") which implies DOUBT that GOD actually would / could bring water from the rock

(Number 20:7-12)

 

[forkintheroad7]

It beats having to adore a genocidal prick of a God.

Pro abortion politicians that YOU vote for are genocidal but that's OK, I guess

 

[Quantrill]

It beats having to adore a genocidal prick of a God.

You bet, God is genocidal. No one can measure up to Him when it comes to genocide. That includes eternal genocide.

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[playtime]

So it's a rock?

It's organic, it's alive. Anything else is semantics.

then so is a tumor.

 

[martybegan]

then so is a tumor.

Try again. It's a unique living organism, part of the natural reproductive process of homo sapiens.

Not a tumor, not a parasite, not a lump of flesh.

 

[playtime]

Try again. It's a unique living organism,

so is a tumor.

part of the natural reproductive process of homo sapiens.

so is a miscarriage.

Not a tumor, not a parasite, not a lump of flesh.

not a baby either.

 

[martybegan]

so is a tumor.



so is a miscarriage.




not a baby either.

A tumor is not a unique living organism.

A miscarriage is a response to a failure in the reproductive process.

It's a new human life. That you have to do the dehumanize thing shows the weakness of your conviction.

 

[playtime]

A tumor is not a unique living organism.

some have teeth & hair.

A miscarriage is a response to a failure in the reproductive process.

or a protection from it.

It's a new human life.

never denied it was.

That you have to do the dehumanize thing shows the weakness of your conviction.

save it. you support donny, & the rest of the (R) party who are dehumanizing real human beings, with real post born lives, with real human experiences because they are brown.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Church didn't put people to death. Get some REAL information, for crying out loud.

The Church (clergy) would investigate a case against a suspected heretic (heresy was seen in those days as being treasonous and/or otherwise criminal). The person questioned had a chance to hear the TRUE doctrines of the Church. If he defied those doctrines, he was suspected of being a heretic. If he persisted in denying Church doctrine, he was handed over to the state and it was the STATE (kings, queens, etc) who decided if he should be put to death. If he recanted his heresy, he was not executed.

Prisoners who had committed other crimes usually asked to be tried by the Inquisition Court because they knew that the clergy feared God and would be fair w/ them.

Don't you know the devil hates Catholicism and puts out LIES constantly against it? He doesn't want you to be saved. He wants to drag you into Hell. And like a liberal, he LIES to achieve that nefarious goal.

"The Church didn't put people to death. Get some REAL information, for crying out loud."

Crusades, military expeditions, beginning in the late 11th century, that were organized by western European Christians in response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their objectives were to check the spread of Islam, to retake control of the Holy Land in the eastern Mediterranean, to conquer pagan areas, and to recapture formerly Christian territories; they were seen by many of their participants as a means of redemption and expiation for sins. Between 1095, when the First Crusade was launched, and 1291, when the Latin Christians were finally expelled from their kingdom in Syria, there were numerous expeditions to the Holy Land, to Spain, and even to the Baltic; the Crusades continued for several centuries after 1291. Crusading declined rapidly during the 16th century with the advent of the Protestant Reformation and the decline of papal authority.

 

[GreatestIam]

That is NOT the reason he was denied the promised land.

I believe it was because he didn't trust God completely on some issue or another. All I know w/ certainty is that what you say here is BOGUS.

Please see the Jewish/intelligent view.

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Bogus? Yet you offer nothing but agreement on the immorality of Yahweh. No argument against. Just your worthless opinion.