Zone1 Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized? Poll

[Votto]

Killing a murderer is not murder. It is protecting society. It's really stupid to want to live and yet take the life of someone else, especially in a state that has the death penalty...

almost like Kirk's killer was asking for it...

It would be like charging a police officer for gunning down someone who was gunning down other people.

There is no difference.

Total insanity.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Why should a murderer live when his victim(s) did not?

But even beyond that, society has to protect itself. We can't be afraid to come out of our homes, can't be afraid to go to school, although most parents are afraid to send their kids there. Maybe a public execution is what is called for

If that doesn't stop someone, nothing will.

 

[GreatestIam]

The Catholic church

The grace of God created the debauched garbage the Church was when it had the power? The Church that used inquisitions so readily?

God, --- Take your grace and shove it.

Grace, from a genocidal prick has killed enough, don't you think?

 

[forkintheroad7]

The grace of God created the debauched garbage the Church was when it had the power? The Church that used inquisitions so readily?

God, --- Take your grace and shove it.

Grace, from a genocidal prick has killed enough, don't you think?

There's only ONE person on this board who understands the truth of the Inquisition

HInt: it is not you.

I can copy/paste here what I've said about the Inquisition Courts again, but I do get tired of posting things that apparently no one reads, yet they continue to spout off ridiculous comments about the Catholic Church in medieval times as though they are some expert. Right.

Obviously you didn't live back then NOR have you studied the issue from reliable sources..

So again, why should I bother?

I guess the answer to that is that someone else here may actually read it.

 

[Votto]

The grace of God created the debauched garbage the Church was when it had the power? The Church that used inquisitions so readily?

God, --- Take your grace and shove it.

Grace, from a genocidal prick has killed enough, don't you think?

I am not talking about the Inquisitions here.

I agree with the problems of corruption and theocracy when it came to the Catholic church.

This topic is not about the Catholic church. It is about the use of capital punishment used by the state, and backed by Biblical teaching.

I in no way condoned the Inquisitions or even the Crusades nor the Jewish persecution of the past.

Critique the rule an eye for an eye if you dare, but stop adding these other things to muddy the waters.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Church didn't put people to death via the Inquisition Courts.


The Church (clergy) would investigate a case against a suspected heretic (heresy was seen in those days as being treasonous and/or otherwise criminal/dangerous to society). The person questioned had a chance to hear the TRUE doctrines of the Church. If he defied those doctrines, he was suspected or accused outright of being a heretic. If he persisted in denying Church doctrine, he was handed over to the state and it was the STATE (kings, queens, etc) who decided if he should be put to death or not. It was the state who executed them, and a lot of the time, the priests and bishops would intercede to spare the person's life.

Those who condemn the Church Christ founded (which amazingly has sinners in it--Who knew??!!) should focus their accusations on the secular rulers of the times.

If the accused recanted his heresy, he was not executed.

Prisoners who had committed other crimes usually asked to be tried by the Inquisition Court because they knew that the clergy feared God and would be fair w/ them.

Don't you know the devil hates Catholicism and puts out LIES constantly against it? He doesn't want you to be saved. He wants to drag you into Hell. And he LIES to achieve that nefarious goal.

It has always been the true teaching of the Catholic Church--founded by Jesus-- that there is no salvation outside of it.

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[GreatestIam]

I disagree.

To let someone live who has taken another life dishonors and cheapens the life they have taken.

The price is the stat for how many times we get justice wrong.

Do unto others, as you might be one of the times we get it wrong and you will wish that rule to rule us.

I agree that I and all good people will want to see some deserving murderer person get his just rewards, by dying quickly and even viciously, but we cannot lower our standards to such a depth.

 

[Votto]

The price is the stat for how many times we get justice wrong.

Do unto others, as you might be one of the times we get it wrong and you will wish that rule to rule us.

I agree that I and all good people will want to see some deserving murderer person get his just rewards, by dying quickly and even viciously, but we cannot lower our standards to such a depth.

Getting justice wrong?

The topic is what to do with those who are guilty of murder.

Getting justice right is for another thread.

Of course, there is no perfect way to get justice right every time, is there?

Does that mean we throw the legal system away?

No.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The price is the stat for how many times we get justice wrong.

Do unto others, as you might be one of the times we get it wrong and you will wish that rule to rule us.

I agree that I and all good people will want to see some deserving murderer person get his just rewards, by dying quickly and even viciously, but we cannot lower our standards to such a depth.

You probably believe in abortion

If so, you have ZERO credibility with me

(not that I would change my views on the death penalty in any case...)

 

[GreatestIam]

The Church didn't put people to death via the Inquisition Courts.

The Church (clergy) would investigate a case against a suspected heretic (heresy was seen in those days as being treasonous and/or otherwise criminal/dangerous to society). The person questioned had a chance to hear the TRUE doctrines of the Church. If he defied those doctrines, he was suspected or accused outright of being a heretic. If he persisted in denying Church doctrine, he was handed over to the state and it was the STATE (kings, queens, etc) who decided if he should be put to death or not. It was the state who executed them, and a lot of the time, the priests and bishops would intercede to spare the person's life.

Those who condemn the Church Christ founded (which amazingly has Judases in it--Who knew??!!) should focus their accusations on the secular rulers of the times.

If the accused recanted his heresy, he was not executed.

Prisoners who had committed other crimes usually asked to be tried by the Inquisition Court because they knew that the clergy feared God and would be fair w/ them.

Don't you know the devil hates Catholicism and puts out LIES constantly against it? He doesn't want you to be saved. He wants to drag you into Hell. And he LIES to achieve that nefarious goal.

It has always been the true teaching of the Catholic Church (again, founded by Jesus) that there is no salvation outside of it.

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You say that Satan puts lies into people when your Bible says that Yahweh puts those lies there. Even in the mouths of the prophets. Look it up.

Belief in the supernatural is not producing good results.

Strange that you were not put off be inquisitions and jihad type of thinking.

Would you participate with such a religious group?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus said FEW find the narrow way to Heaven.

Again, there is the story of how a saint died and then returned to tell another monk what was revealed to him: At the time of his death, 32,000 (more than that but I can't recall the exact numbers after 32K) died also and only 3 or 4 people went to Heaven, most by way of Purgatory.

So this info, along w/ the fact that Outside the Church there is No Salvation (taught for over 2000+ years)

Should be scary enough to investigate.

 

[forkintheroad7]

You say that Satan puts lies into people when your Bible says that Yahweh puts those lies there. Even in the mouths of the prophets. Look it up.

Belief in the supernatural is not producing good results.

Strange that you were not put off be inquisitions and jihad type of thinking.

Would you participate with such a religious group?

I have NO idea what you are saying here...

 

[forkintheroad7]

God does not put lies into people's heads. That is the devil who does that. And it's just like the devil to put evil thoughts in one's head and then do all he can to get you to believe it is GOD being evil...

 

[GreatestIam]

You probably believe in abortion

You would have to define that term, but if you are asking if I would interfere in what adults do with their personal lives, then no.

I do hate the loss of any potential person, but I am not ready to breach people, mostly her, hers, in seeking a better life, liberty or security of the person.

 

[forkintheroad7]

You would have to define that term, but if you are asking if I would interfere in what adults do with their personal lives, then no.

I do hate the loss of any potential person, but I am not ready to breach people, mostly her, hers, in seeking a better life, liberty or security of the person.

I knew you were pro abortion. It's so ironic that most people who scream about violent criminals, how they shouldn't be put to death, are usually in favor of abortion.

Go figure---

Yeh, let that butcher who murdered someone he didn't even know live

while an innocent child in the womb... Kill the (*&^%@#

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Equitable Doctrine Is Independent Of Dogmatic Allusions "

* Unlawful Killing Is Not A Law Of Goad *

There is no injustice for God's law of an eye for an eye.
If there is, what is it?

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal pretext , and contemporary natural ( sic ) law theorists contrive a macabre court of final judgement to obfuscate hubris .

Do mass murderers of strangers drop dead once having committed the act ?

There is not a law of nature against killing and murder is based in legal positivism .

 

[forkintheroad7]

" Equitable Doctrine Is Independent Of Dogmatic Allusions "

* Unlawful Killing Is Not A Law Of Goad *

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal pretext , and contemporary natural ( sic ) law theorists contrive a macabre court of final judgement to obfuscate hubris .

Do mass murderers of strangers drop dead once having committed the act ?

There is not a law of nature against killing and murder is based in legal positivism .

I don't get what your main point is or what you are saying

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[Monk-Eye]

" Apex Predator Damned Dirty Ape With Canines Feigns Innocence "

* Abortion Anti Choice Misapply Pro *

I knew you were pro abortion. It's so ironic that most people who scream about violent criminals, how they shouldn't be put to death, are usually in favor of abortion.
Go figure---
Yeh, let that butcher who murdered someone he didn't even know live
while an innocent child in the womb... Kill the (*&^%@#

This abortion choice republican supports both abortion and capital punishment .

 

[forkintheroad7]

" Apex Predator Damned Dirty Ape With Canines Feigns Innocence "

* Abortion Anti Choice Misapply Pro *

This abortion choice republican supports both abortion and capital punishment .

Republicans do not support abortion

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Laws In Nature Versus Hubris Of Contemporary Natural Law Theorists "

* Rite To Life Is Conditional And Legal Positivism *

I don't get what your main point is or what you are saying
??

Prior to entering into a social civil agreement according to a constitution , individuals are subject to moral relativism within nature , and to improve quality of life and opportunity for survival , natural freedoms are exchanged for protected rites in that a retort is issued for violations of the legal construct .

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal pretext , such as a state , while claims that there is a law of goad is hubris .

The literal meaning of an after life is genetic continuance , via a sophisticated physical state that is necessary for sentience , sapience and introspection that is afforded as life , where failure to do so in perpetuity is ascribed the metaphors of final judgement or eternal damnation .

A subject altruism of an ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity , however from empirical evidence within nature , not every instance of introspection is required to satisfy a subjective altruism of ego ; any thing that can be alienated is not inalienable including life .