Zone1 Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized? Poll

[Quantrill]

Hitler's son could not do more.

Oh please. The Hitler card is only for idiots and those who don't have anything else to play. Which you do not.

The important thing to note is that the one you serve and the One I serve are not the same. My God is the God of the Bible. Yours is not.

Quantrill

 

[bdavidc]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

Well, I've expressed my views on this before but some may not know: As Charlie Kirk so well-stated, a person who kills someone (for no reason) has already killed himself (something to that effect). Kirk was in favor of the death penalty. His wife says she is leaving that decision up to the state.

My own view is that someone who assassinates someone for merely speaking his mind is an incredibly dangerous person and a traitor to the American Way which is based on centuries-old Judeo-Christian laws. Also, Robinson is being charged (or last time I looked was charged) with... can't recall the exact words but it had to do with killing someone in the presence of a child (children).

All assassins should be executed (if it is indisputable he is the killer).

I've seen videos that question whether Robinson was the shooter, but the evidence saying he is the shooter is massive... assuming we can trust those "informing us." I sometimes feel that is not the case..

No, the death penalty is not un-Christian, when justly applied, it is biblical.

God instituted capital punishment long before any human law did. After the flood, He declared, “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). That was not a cultural relativist command. It was based on the value of life. Murder is so heinous because a man is made in God’s image, and the taking of a life unjustly calls for a just recompense.

The New Testament does not overrule that standard. When Paul says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Consequently, he who opposes the authority, opposes what God has instituted, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be free from fear of the authority? Then do what is good and you will receive praise from it, because it is a servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer” (Romans 13:1–4). The “terror” is not traffic tickets. The “sword” is not a dance lesson. That is the symbol of the government’s lawful execution.

All that said, Christians should never rejoice in death. We love justice, but we also love mercy. Every condemned criminal still needs the gospel, because only repentance and faith in Christ will save a soul (Luke 23:39–43).

So no, it is not un-Christian to support the death penalty when it is righteous, fair, and justly applied. What is un-Christian is to deny the God-given authority of justice altogether, or to wield it with cruelty or prejudice. God loves both justice and mercy (Micah 6:8).

 

[GreatestIam]

Ignore

Better to correct, but yah, when a mind is that low, no one can stoop that low to bring it to reality.

 

[GreatestIam]

Ignore because you cant defend

You forgot to mention jihads.

All wars have been fought for political and or religious reasons. Both forms do it as land grab.

 

[GreatestIam]

He does not change

Using "He" and saying you know God's mind shows how much of a fool supernatural belief has made you. Your Yahweh said that the wages of sin was death. Jesus, the same a hole God says that we are forgiven and he will steal our just rewards.

If you are too stupid to see that change in thinking, seek help.

 

[GreatestIam]

The death penalty is more humane than life in prison.

To some, for sure.

For others, perhaps not.

I would be all in for giving prisoners the option.

I encourage you to do some research on how humane Norther E.U. countries are as compared to U.S and how little recidivism they have and do not have to worry about killing the innocent.

 

[GreatestIam]

There is no original sin in Genesis or the fall of man

Jews hope you are wrong.

To Jews, the moral of the story, so to speak, is that man showed his Original Virtue. Quite a good thing that. The Christians who sing their Exsultet hymn, sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. IOWds, we all have to sin to be saved, so sin. Sin as missing a mark of course. It is necessary to God and nature, because no sin equals no sex. We are all to partake of the happy fault and sin, foul up God's plan in this myth.

 

[GreatestIam]

Its based on dualism from Zoroastrianism a battle between good and evil.

Yin compliments Yang, like front and back. There is no battle or conflict. Nice that we default to the love/cooperation part of us and not the hate/compete side.

 

[GreatestIam]

No, it is based on JESUS CHRIST

Where in the Bible is Jesus elected to Christ?

Where and why in the Bible does Yahweh replace King David's line as to fathering Jesus?

Jesus time traveling and using his mother to reproduce himself is rather weird. No?

 

[Moonglow]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

Well, I've expressed my views on this before but some may not know: As Charlie Kirk so well-stated, a person who kills someone (for no reason) has already killed himself (something to that effect). Kirk was in favor of the death penalty. His wife says she is leaving that decision up to the state.

My own view is that someone who assassinates someone for merely speaking his mind is an incredibly dangerous person and a traitor to the American Way which is based on centuries-old Judeo-Christian laws. Also, Robinson is being charged (or last time I looked was charged) with... can't recall the exact words but it had to do with killing someone in the presence of a child (children).

All assassins should be executed (if it is indisputable he is the killer).

I've seen videos that question whether Robinson was the shooter, but the evidence saying he is the shooter is massive... assuming we can trust those "informing us." I sometimes feel that is not the case..

Cain slew Abel, and God did not kill Cain for the deed.

 

[GreatestIam]

Oh please. The Hitler card is only for idiots and those who don't have anything else to play. Which you do not.

The important thing to note is that the one you serve and the One I serve are not the same. My God is the God of the Bible. Yours is not.

Quantrill

Thank God for that.

As to genocidal, my God can cure while yours can only murder.

 

[Moonglow]

Where in the Bible is Jesus elected to Christ?

Where and why in the Bible does Yahweh replace King David's line as to fathering Jesus?

Jesus time traveling and using his mother to reproduce himself is rather weird. No?

It has more to do conciecness of the spiritual God.

 

[GreatestIam]

No, the death penalty is not un-Christian, when justly applied, it is biblical.

Who created these murderers?

Not God, of course.

That leaves nature and nurture.

If nature, we or the victim can do nothing about how they are.

If nurture, killing murderer who is a victim of other peoples manipulation, is just not fair.

What are your thoughts on these points, as well as when we get it wrong and kill an innocent person?

 

[GreatestIam]

It has more to do conciecness of the spiritual God.

I'm not sure I get your point. I do see a spiritual guide in the Bible, an esoteric ecumenist Jesus, but he is invisible to most who have gone to supernatural belief.

 

[bdavidc]

Who created these murderers?

Not God, of course.

That leaves nature and nurture.

If nature, we or the victim can do nothing about how they are.

If nurture, killing murderer who is a victim of other peoples manipulation, is just not fair.

What are your thoughts on these points, as well as when we get it wrong and kill an innocent person?

Fair question, but hear me out – God didn’t make murderers, He made mankind good. Sin broke man’s nature. “God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Eccl. 7:29). Evil is never the product of someone’s upbringing or “nature” – Jesus said it originates in the human heart: “Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander” (Matt. 15:19).

This is why justice exists – not to rehabilitate sin, but to restrain it. God has ordained governments to bear the sword (Rom. 13:4) to deter evil and preserve righteousness. When a murderer takes an innocent life, he renders his own forfeit by that moral law (Gen. 9:6). It’s not revenge, it’s justice – because life is valuable to God.

If justice miscarries and the innocent are killed, that’s why Scripture commands truth and fairness: “One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity… at the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be established” (Deut. 19:15). God hates injustice. If the system breaks, it’s man’s failure, not God’s intent. Justice must be prudent, but it must be executed.

The point is, the fact that sin exists doesn’t negate justice – it shows why we need it.

 

[Quantrill]

Cain slew Abel, and God did not kill Cain for the deed.

Because man had no authority from God to execute the death penalty until after the flood. (Gen. 9:5-6)

And that has never been revoked.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Thank God for that.

As to genocidal, my God can cure while yours can only murder.

Thank what god? Who is your god? How did you learn of him? So far, all I can tell is that you just made him up. Did you?

But, that is not what the Bible says.

Quantrill

 

[forkintheroad7]

Fair question, but hear me out – God didn’t make murderers, He made mankind good. Sin broke man’s nature. “God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Eccl. 7:29). Evil is never the product of someone’s upbringing or “nature” – Jesus said it originates in the human heart: “Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander” (Matt. 15:19).

This is why justice exists – not to rehabilitate sin, but to restrain it. God has ordained governments to bear the sword (Rom. 13:4) to deter evil and preserve righteousness. When a murderer takes an innocent life, he renders his own forfeit by that moral law (Gen. 9:6). It’s not revenge, it’s justice – because life is valuable to God.

If justice miscarries and the innocent are killed, that’s why Scripture commands truth and fairness: “One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity… at the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be established” (Deut. 19:15). God hates injustice. If the system breaks, it’s man’s failure, not God’s intent. Justice must be prudent, but it must be executed.

The point is, the fact that sin exists doesn’t negate justice – it shows why we need it.

What kind of baffles me, or used to, is why God allows so much injustice--until He doesn't.

He only seems to exercise absolute control (justice) when we die.

It no longer baffles me as much as it used to because I just accepted it (begrudgingly) as reality. Humans are notorious for believing something just because they want to believe it. Well, who wants to believe that God does not always intervene to make life on Earth better for you? but you cannot reject reality without dire consequences.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

Well, I've expressed my views on this before but some may not know: As Charlie Kirk so well-stated, a person who kills someone (for no reason) has already killed himself (something to that effect). Kirk was in favor of the death penalty. His wife says she is leaving that decision up to the state.

My own view is that someone who assassinates someone for merely speaking his mind is an incredibly dangerous person and a traitor to the American Way which is based on centuries-old Judeo-Christian laws. Also, Robinson is being charged (or last time I looked was charged) with... can't recall the exact words but it had to do with killing someone in the presence of a child (children).

All assassins should be executed (if it is indisputable he is the killer).

I've seen videos that question whether Robinson was the shooter, but the evidence saying he is the shooter is massive... assuming we can trust those "informing us." I sometimes feel that is not the case..

I don't care what the reason, you kill someone you die.

Drunk drivers who kill should be hanged.

Drunk drivers caught before they kill should be publicly caned till they pass out.

 

[bdavidc]

What kind of baffles me, or used to, is why God allows so much injustice--until He doesn't.

He only seems to exercise absolute control (justice) when we die.

It no longer baffles me as much as it used to because I just accepted it (begrudgingly) as reality. Humans are notorious for believing something just because they want to believe it. Well, who wants to believe that God does not always intervene to make life on Earth better for you? but you cannot reject reality without dire consequences.

The world isn’t the way it is because God desired that it be this way. Sin entered the world and the evil that flows from sin has turned it into a cruel place. “God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good” (Genesis 1:31). There is no death, no disease, no oppression, no evil in the world until man has rebelled. “Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin” (Romans 5:12). God did not make evil. He made man upright. But man walked his own way and every injustice in between was the result of the fall.

That’s why when we ask, “Why does God allow injustice until He doesn’t?” the Bible has a straightforward answer: because He is patient, not because He is powerless. “The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). Every day that God withholds His wrath is a day of mercy. So, without Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross, every one of us would still be condemned for our sin.

But His patience will not last forever. God is going to bring about perfect justice. Every sin will be judged. Every wrong will be made right. “The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man (Jesus Christ) whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” (Acts 17:30-31) When Jesus returns, injustice will not only be punished. It will be destroyed. “Behold, I make all things new” (Revelation 21:5).

God does not cause injustice. Sin does. God allows it for now so that sinners can repent. But He will eradicate it once and for all. The postponement of justice is mercy. The certainty of justice is holiness. And both of those things reveal the character of God: He is patient. He is righteous. And He will be faithful to the end.