Zone1 Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized? Poll

[forkintheroad7]

This link shows which states have the death penalty (27)

State by State | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

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Not surprisingly, most of the non-death penalty states are lib states

 

[alang1216]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

Well, I've expressed my views on this before but some may not know: As Charlie Kirk so well-stated, a person who kills someone (for no reason) has already killed himself (something to that effect). Kirk was in favor of the death penalty. His wife says she is leaving that decision up to the state.

My own view is that someone who assassinates someone for merely speaking his mind is an incredibly dangerous person and a traitor to the American Way which is based on centuries-old Judeo-Christian laws. Also, Robinson is being charged (or last time I looked was charged) with... can't recall the exact words but it had to do with killing someone in the presence of a child (children).

All assassins should be executed (if it is indisputable he is the killer).

I've seen videos that question whether Robinson was the shooter, but the evidence saying he is the shooter is massive... assuming we can trust those "informing us." I sometimes feel that is not the case..

I have no moral objection, only practical ones.

• Under our system, it is more expensive to incarcerate someone for life than it is to kill them
• Any police or prosecutorial abuses can never be undone
• New evidence might later change the understanding of the crime

 

[forkintheroad7]

I have no moral objection, only practical ones.

• Under our system, it is more expensive to incarcerate someone for life than it is to kill them
• Any police or prosecutorial abuses can never be undone
• New evidence might later change the understanding of the crime

Yeh, the bad prosecutors have to go and I don't see that happening any time soon. If there is any question as to the guilt of a person, he should not be executed. But in the case of serial murder and assassination (esp in this world where cameras are everywhere) guilt is easy to prove... I think..

 

[alang1216]

Yeh, the bad prosecutors have to go and I don't see that happening any time soon. If there is any question as to the guilt of a person, he should not be executed. But in the case of serial murder and assassination (esp in this world where cameras are everywhere) guilt is easy to prove... I think..

Would you execute a killer that was mentally ill?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Would you execute a killer that was mentally ill?

All killers are mentally ill

full of the devil

can't get any more mentally ill than that

 

[Muhammed]

No

 

[alang1216]

All killers are mentally ill

full of the devil

can't get any more mentally ill than that

I think most MS-13 killers know exactly what they are doing and are not mentally ill.

 

[toobfreak]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

In the Old Testament God himself instituted the death penalty for certain things so if it is uncivilized then is God un-Christian or un-civilized?

Therein lies the biggest problem with the Bible: people are forever feeling in need of interpreting and analyzing it to figure out what it means.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Therein lies the biggest problem with the Bible: people are forever feeling in need of interpreting and analyzing it to figure out what it means.

I understand 98% of it and have read it twice, but also heard it read to me at Mass by the lector or priest for decades.

The parts that I don't readily understand have to do with the evil things that humans do.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I think most MS-13 killers know exactly what they are doing and are not mentally ill.

I always thought the mentally ill argument was bogus. Whether you're mental or not, you did the damn deed and should get the same punishment as those who are allegedly sane.

 

[alang1216]

I always thought the mentally ill argument was bogus. Whether you're mental or not, you did the damn deed and should get the same punishment as those who are allegedly sane.

It does get abused but there are people who honestly don't know what they are doing. You wouldn't expect someone with polio to run a marathon, same difference.

 

[toobfreak]

The parts that I don't readily understand have to do with the evil things that humans do.

It all comes down to people invoking free will given them by God for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The older I get, the more it just feels like ritualistic human sacrifice.

 

[forkintheroad7]

It does get abused but there are people who honestly don't know what they are doing. You wouldn't expect someone with polio to run a marathon, same difference.

I disagree. If they do the crime, they do the time, period. There's no way to know what's going on inside anyone's mind anyway... it's ridiculous

 

[forkintheroad7]

It all comes down to people invoking free will given them by God for all the wrong reasons.

not sure I get this...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I disagree. If they do the crime, they do the time, period

We are not discussing that. We are discussing what that "time" should be.

 

[toobfreak]

not sure I get this...

God does not create evil and sin in this world, mankind does.

God does not permit suffering in this world, mankind does.

God gives man alone the free will to choose their own free destiny.

A lot of people don't make very good choices.

Charlie Kirk took his freedom of will to exercise a little heaven on earth.

Tyler Robinson took his freedom of choice to exercise a little hell on earth.

 

[forkintheroad7]

God does not create evil and sin in this world, mankind does.

God does not permit suffering in this world, mankind does.

God gives man alone the free will to choose their own free destiny.

A lot of people don't make very good choices.

Charlie Kirk took his freedom of will to exercise a little heaven on earth.

Tyler Robinson took his freedom of choice to exercise a little hell on earth.

Yes, I know all this. And God understands when we get angry with HIm over all the evil and seriously uncomfortable things we go through. He has all the power and does not intervene to save us from such, so we get angry with Him or I do.. Anathema does.

The difference is that Anathema appears to be staying angry with God and I would prefer not to do that, which doesn't mean it will never happen again. I've found it doesn't do any good, only harm for a person to stay angry with God, the only one who can help a person, even though He waits until the end to make all the bad go away (Heaven). What's sad is that most people go to Hell, according to the Man Himself, Jesus... (who is also God of course)

 

[Quantrill]

The death penalty is not un-Christian as it was instituted by God. (Gen. 9:5-6)

Some will say that was Old Testament so it has ceased. Not true. The Mosaic Law has ceased but not the Old Testament.

And, (Gen 9:5-6) was before the Mosaic Law, (Ex. 19). And the death penalty has never been revoked by God.

The 'threat' of the death penalty has no teeth, if you don't exercise the death penalty.

Quantrill

 

[Slyhunter]

Is the death penalty un-Christian or un-civilized?

Well, I've expressed my views on this before but some may not know: As Charlie Kirk so well-stated, a person who kills someone (for no reason) has already killed himself (something to that effect). Kirk was in favor of the death penalty. His wife says she is leaving that decision up to the state.

My own view is that someone who assassinates someone for merely speaking his mind is an incredibly dangerous person and a traitor to the American Way which is based on centuries-old Judeo-Christian laws. Also, Robinson is being charged (or last time I looked was charged) with... can't recall the exact words but it had to do with killing someone in the presence of a child (children).

All assassins should be executed (if it is indisputable he is the killer).

I've seen videos that question whether Robinson was the shooter, but the evidence saying he is the shooter is massive... assuming we can trust those "informing us." I sometimes feel that is not the case..

I think life in prison, or even, long term solitary confinement is worse than death. Possibly inhumane.

But some people are too dangerous to exist and therefore should not. Anyone spending life without parole should be put out of their misery via the cheapest most efficient manner possible, If we know they are guilty as hell without a doubt then they should be executed. The only exceptions are those who could be innocent based on the evidence despite the Jury's verdicts.