Is Joyce Meyer an outright liar or just oblivious & deceived?

[HaShev]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

 

[irosie91]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

a story------long long ago-----my little snow flake (my one and only child---a blond blue eyed boy with skin so white that it was transluscent) attended a special exhibition of very special art---borrowed from Italy. It depicted catholic "martyrs"----one after the other-----we marched along the velvet rope marked path in very dim light....there were guards----with CANNONS on their belts. We got to the GRAND FINALE-----the CRUCIFIXION!!!!! like six feet high----jesus splayed out on a cross, -----my little snow flake was clearly bored out of his mind----dashed under the velvet rope----jammed his tiny hand square on the oil painting and "I HATE THIS PAINTING" the gates of hell opened in my mind-----I thought one of the guards would shoot him!!!! it was surreal. an Ingmar
Bergman moment.............we escaped alive

 

[HaShev]

That reminds me of my unease at viewing the Rodin's Gates of Hell Bronze work in front of the Rodin museum.
We are supposed to be affraid, sickened, disgusted, uneasy over death. It'sxwhy we have the Mikvah cleansing.
We are also supposed to feel that it's not a necessary natural condition and thus could & should be over come.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Joyce is a fraud, and anyone dumb enough to send her money deserves to lose their money.

 

[emilynghiem]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

Dear HaShev have you noticed there are different approaches of parenting?
Some parents teach their kids by WARNING of ill consequences of ill behavior.
Other parents focus on positive aspects of improving and correcting behavior and rewards of hard work.
The key is to balance both.

Some pastors focus on the "if you don't do right you end up suffering in hell" approach.
Some pastors focus on "when we forgive and receive, we are blessed and good things happen."

Now what I've noticed is some people RESPOND to the kick-your-ass approach in order to do right.
I don't agree with this, and don't do well with that AT ALL, but some people do or it's necessary to get
through to those types!

So I notice there are old school types who rely on OT, retributive justice
approaches of judgment and punishment. Like when parents spank or punish kids
with grounding, taking away privileges to teach them rules mean rules, and disobedience has consequences.

And there are new school NT types who focus on restorative justice
approaches of forgiving and correcting problems so that we can benefit from lessons and not repeat errors.

I prefer the Restorative Justice way of teaching which I believe INCLUDES the
previous older laws that if we don't make good and make right, then we all suffer the consequences.

We can still teach that but in a Restorative corrective atmosphere
that invites and rewards people for confessing and correcting faults, instead of hiding them in fear of punishment judgment and rejection. At some point the old methods don't work
because people become adults who learn by reason and experience,
and outgrow the spanking methods for the kids who learn by being punished when nothing else works.

Until we all grow to spiritual maturity, and make decisions by good sense of what is beneficial to all,l
there are still some people
who don't follow laws unless they are forced by authority under penalty or threats and bullying.

So the old laws and old ways of teaching still exist and are there to address people
like terrorists who only listen to sheer force.

 

[HaShev]

>>>I prefer the "Restorative" (HaSheva) Justice.

Thank you.
But one of the processes for that hasheva (restoration) is through what the OT and rehashed in the NT calls "refiners fire".
They can not remove the nature that fails them, nor purify and become more Shalem (complete & whole) if they can't take the heat and let the judgement bring introspection and purification.
Refiners fire analogy is of the process of raising the heat so the impurities rise to the surface so they can be skimed off and removed, so what's left is more pure and valuable
"Complete/Whole/Stable" (Shalem).
Hence the city of Shalem becomes city of peace (Shalom) when we as humanity remove those ugly behaviors-differences and come together in wholeness of kind.

 

[emilynghiem]

>>>I prefer the "Restorative" (HaSheva) Justice.

Thank you.
But one of the processes for that hasheva (restoration) is through what the OT and rehashed in the NT calls "refiners fire".
They can not remove the nature that fails them, nor purify and become more Shalem (complete & whole) if they can't take the heat and let the judgement bring introspection and purification.
Refiners fire analogy is of the process of raising the heat so the impurities rise to the surface so they can be skimed off and removed, so what's left is more pure and valuable
"Complete/Whole/Stable" (Shalem).
Hence the city of Shalem becomes city of peace (Shalom) when we as humanity remove those ugly behaviors-differences and come together in wholeness of kind.

Yes, HaShev and we are going through this process now.
Even as we speak. We are going through tribulations, wars and cleansing,
and the purpose is to grow to the level of Restorative Justice.
right now we see a lot of both going on.
I compare it to the stages of grief recovery and healing.
Some people/nations/tribes/groups are still going through anger
and wars, others are in negotiations/bargaining, and yet others
are already at peace and mentoring people through the other stages.

We aren't all in the same place or stages at the same time.
But we are all progressing toward resolution and peace.
Thank you and I hope our collective efforts will help organize
people to go through their stages as peacefully and painlessly as possible.
Some pain cannot be helped, like the pain of childbirth this process
has been likened to. But we can help make it smoother and not so
frightening to go through. I believe we can reduce the violence
and speed up the learning curve wherever possible by not
repeating the same mistakes. Such as wasting resources fighting or blaming each other, but focus on helping each other get past these problems affecting all of us equally.
The consequences of past problems
will still play itself out, but if we all have the same understanding
the process is heading for good, we can better focus on getting there
in one piece!

Thanks so much HaShev it is enlightening to have you here
on USMB and may the sharing continue and blessings and
benefits you contribute be multiplied in abundance. Shalom and God Bless!

 

[hadit]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

 

[emilynghiem]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.

Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:

She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.

But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.

Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.

So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.

So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.

is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit

 

[shimon]

Uh Huh....Death is the kingdom even though Gd is the Gd of Life... Choose the cross or the way of the cross even though if anyone cares to look at the symbol of the cross it represents Death....The Fact that Hades takes one third of the stars(people) in Heaven(earth) with him should be a real eye opener considering christianity makes up one third of mankind in all its forms.... Teachings either provide a bitter fruit(death) or a sweet fruit(life) it is up too each and everyone to figure out for themselves which TREE is which and whether they can walk around with the NAKED truth or must clothe themselves with the Clothed lie.... Now that the emperor(Jesus) has been exposed and its clothing(the new testament and any other books or pages) looked at properly it should be a no brainer but hey sometimes ones ego will get in the way of admitting it to say the least...

 

[emilynghiem]

Uh Huh....Death is the kingdom even though Gd is the Gd of Life... Choose the cross or the way of the cross even though if anyone cares to look at the symbol of the cross it represents Death....The Fact that Hades takes one third of the stars(people) in Heaven(earth) with him should be a real eye opener considering christianity makes up one third of mankind in all its forms.... Teachings either provide a bitter fruit(death) or a sweet fruit(life) it is up too each and everyone to figure out for themselves which TREE is which and whether they can walk around with the NAKED truth or must clothe themselves with the Clothed lie.... Now that the emperor(Jesus) has been exposed and its clothing(the new testament and any other books or pages) looked at properly it should be a no brainer but hey sometimes ones ego will get in the way of admitting it to say the least...

Dear shimon my understanding is death is a spiritual change.
And the Kingdom of God is where eternal life and love abound.

The real issues is FEAR instead of faith.
If you have FEAR of death then this will rob you of life.

If you do not fear change, do not fear the unknown,
but have faith that all things work for good for those who love
God and are called according to God's purpose, then
this is how perfect love casts out fear.

When we give up our FEAR of losing our lives
that's when we regain the gift of life.

It's not just about physical death per se, but the perception or fear
of death or change that determines if we are spiritually alive by living in love
or dead by living in fear.

 

[hadit]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.

Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:

She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.

But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.

Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.

So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.

So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.

is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit

You are aware, are you not, that the choices presented were: Is "Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation"?

I don't think either of them are true. In fact, the second one is based on a falsehood. Joyce Meyer is not incorrect.

 

[emilynghiem]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.

Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:

She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.

But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.

Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.

So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.

So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.

is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit

You are aware, are you not, that the choices presented were: Is "Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation"?

I don't think either of them are true. In fact, the second one is based on a falsehood. Joyce Meyer is not incorrect.

If you are saying that God teaches death as the focus?
Then no, I don't think that is universal and not all of God's truth.

So if you are judging JM teachings in comparison with
one part or one way of teaching how God's laws work,
that isn't even complete. So your answers are going to be incomplete hadit

That is like trying to judge a doctor based on if
they teach that bad health causes disease and death.
That's one focus but we also judge a doctor by how well they treat
patients to save lives and preserve health, not just warn about what can kill us.

 

[HaShev]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.

Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:

She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.

But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.

Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.

So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.

So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.

is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit

You are aware, are you not, that the choices presented were: Is "Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation"?

I don't think either of them are true. In fact, the second one is based on a falsehood. Joyce Meyer is not incorrect.

Explain why, because both your posts are blanket subjective opinions without reasons or subtance in rebuttle.

Which brings up a whole other discussion as to how easy non descriptive commentary can be missread and missinterpreted, which is why I'm always thoroughly explainatory (using parenthesis to define or eleviate confusion). Was Jesus (the writers of) obviously too vague? Yes, which he (writers) himself (themselves) denounces then does himself anyway(lies).
Example: John 18:19-21 The high priest then asked Jesus about his disciples, and about his doctrine. Jesus answered him:
"I spoke in openness to the world;
I always taught in the synagogue and the temple, where the Jews always come;
and I have said nothing in secret.
however we see:
Mark 4:10-12
But, when he was in private... the twelve asked him the meaning of the parable. And he said, "You are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of God.But to those outside, these things are said in parables,SO THAT they MAY see but not perceive, and MAY hear but not understand...
Matt 13:10-15
And the disciples came and asked, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He answered, "Because you are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of heaven, but they are not permitted."

Why, is it because they would leave if they knew it was Hades?

 

[shimon]

Uh Huh....Death is the kingdom even though Gd is the Gd of Life... Choose the cross or the way of the cross even though if anyone cares to look at the symbol of the cross it represents Death....The Fact that Hades takes one third of the stars(people) in Heaven(earth) with him should be a real eye opener considering christianity makes up one third of mankind in all its forms.... Teachings either provide a bitter fruit(death) or a sweet fruit(life) it is up too each and everyone to figure out for themselves which TREE is which and whether they can walk around with the NAKED truth or must clothe themselves with the Clothed lie.... Now that the emperor(Jesus) has been exposed and its clothing(the new testament and any other books or pages) looked at properly it should be a no brainer but hey sometimes ones ego will get in the way of admitting it to say the least...

Dear shimon my understanding is death is a spiritual change.
And the Kingdom of God is where eternal life and love abound.

The real issues is FEAR instead of faith.
If you have FEAR of death then this will rob you of life.

If you do not fear change, do not fear the unknown,
but have faith that all things work for good for those who love
God and are called according to God's purpose, then
this is how perfect love casts out fear.

When we give up our FEAR of losing our lives
that's when we regain the gift of life.

It's not just about physical death per se, but the perception or fear
of death or change that determines if we are spiritually alive by living in love
or dead by living in fear.

Fear is an emotion just like any other emotion...Love , hate, envy etc etc... it is false teachings that hold people in fear not the fear itself... for example an elephant when it is young is chained to a post by its master it cannot break free and if it tries it is admonished by the one who controls it... Later when the elephant becomes big and powerful it doesn't even bother trying to break free even though he easily could because of the fact he remembers he couldn't do it when he was young...Fearing to give up ones Life is not the issue...The issue is living Life the gift as one was meant to without the binding chains of false teaching of death worship holding one back from living this life this gift freely and as one should...

 

[HaShev]

Fear of death is good in the same sense psychiatrist and social science experts will tell you our kids are problematically being programed through video games, tv, and movies to not have a fear of death.
Thus being more violent, not having respect for life, and taking deadly risks.

 

[shimon]

It is interesting that the suicide bombers have no issue with fearing death...it just might be that they hate life and pine for a better one in death... False teachings once again.... It was funny watching that grand a hole Arafat strap on a suicide vest and cheer on his fellows to use them but he never did it because deep down he knew the truth and was loath to give up this life and all his comforts... No one ever sees the top guys throwing their lives away just the gullible young and foolish.....

 

[HaShev]

I was shocked when Hezbollah straight out said that it was the messengers of death.
I want all gov't officials from all over the globe to remember that when they debate or make decisions or comments on the Syrian refuge crisis, to remember that Hezbollah supporters as well as Isis hides in their midsts. In other words have extremely reliable verifiable and careful venting processes or follow Ben Carsons solution of a protective zone within Syria.

 

[shimon]

Nasrallah is another one he hides in his bunker and throws threats out here and there and sends in the young Shia to die in foreign intangalments for his Iranian masters... Unfortunately it is liken cancer cells as you are fond to say... Even though we try to irradiate them some cells still manage to escape and move to other areas of the body or world where they thrive and set up shop... Once again the only way to stop this is to remove the bad teachings or tumour and remove the individual cells from their money or life source and nutrition...

 

[hadit]

I have no ill feelings towards Joyce Meyer or her outreach that targets womans issues, but today her broadcast showed something disturbing that needs a quick response.
Many pastors have FINALLY decided to NOTICE DEUT. where I posted constantly on choices we are given: to choose life the blessing instead of death the curse.
Many recently have been using that verse as their sermon for the day.
In front of her huge audience she decided to discuss that verse saying it's a no brainer to choose life the blessing (sound familiar?)
HOWEVER, she blatantly lied and said that was the teaching of the gospels all along.
That is not true, many times I proved and showed that the gospel teaches the curse (death). Including representing themselves with the mark of (the beast) death (=cross), choosing the cursed death (hanging on a tree) [Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" also read Deut 21:22.]
for it's messenger of the kingdom of death and boasting that he has the keys to the gates of death(the pit)-Rev1:18.
Lifting high the son of perdition (lucifer) revealed in
Ezekiel 28 does not help their claim either.
Perdition means fall to the pit, Baal's son the morning star(rev 22:16) fell to the pit in a cursed death for claiming to be a god.
-1 peter 3:19, acts 2:27,apostles creed, Ezekiel28 warning.

They are clearly teaching the cursed kingdom in death rather then the blessing Creation of life. Examples:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 "and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened."
Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter3:19 he descended to hell means he opened the abyss.
This is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 .

There is no better and obvious description of their greek death cultism and teachings of the curse then in:
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
" I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children."
The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.

So if Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation?

I'm going with you presenting false choices.

Dear hadit
They may be false to you but true for someone else.
Like explaining quantum physics may not work for me but might be perfect for someone else.

Let me give you one example of something JM was teaching:

She compared God's love and grace to the loving
parent who had warned their kids over and over
to stay away from trouble and don't go anywhere without asking permission
so the parents can watch out for them.

But the kids disobeyed and went out anyway and got in trouble with
the neighborhood bully coming after them.

Does the parent/God stop and hold the kid responsible for disobeying?
Any parent would protect that kid from the bully first, and go admonish them later.

So she used this story to explain that God does not reject and judge
and refuse to help us just because we disobeyed and did wrong.
We still face those consequences though God will protect us
when we ask.

So that's a good example of her philosophy and balancing the sides
and still having accountability.

is that false teaching? I think it works for people who
understand parenting. hadit

You are aware, are you not, that the choices presented were: Is "Joyce Meyers an outright liar or just blind and oblivious to the actual gospel teaching opposing the Creator and the creation"?

I don't think either of them are true. In fact, the second one is based on a falsehood. Joyce Meyer is not incorrect.

Explain why, because both your posts are blanket subjective opinions without reasons or subtance in rebuttle.

Which brings up a whole other discussion as to how easy non descriptive commentary can be missread and missinterpreted, which is why I'm always thoroughly explainatory (using parenthesis to define or eleviate confusion). Was Jesus (the writers of) obviously too vague? Yes, which he (writers) himself (themselves) denounces then does himself anyway(lies).
Example: John 18:19-21 The high priest then asked Jesus about his disciples, and about his doctrine. Jesus answered him:
"I spoke in openness to the world;
I always taught in the synagogue and the temple, where the Jews always come;
and I have said nothing in secret.
however we see:
Mark 4:10-12
But, when he was in private... the twelve asked him the meaning of the parable. And he said, "You are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of God.But to those outside, these things are said in parables,SO THAT they MAY see but not perceive, and MAY hear but not understand...
Matt 13:10-15
And the disciples came and asked, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" He answered, "Because you are permitted to know the SECRETS of the kingdom of heaven, but they are not permitted."

Why, is it because they would leave if they knew it was Hades?

That's extremely easy to understand, even to a neophyte student of Scripture. Jesus operated openly and taught openly. He also taught some things that were only for His disciples to understand AT THAT TIME. Notice that we now have the explanation of the parables He taught. IOW, there were no secret plots to overthrow Rome or the Jewish power structure of the day, only secrets about the Kingdom to be revealed at a later time. What is hard to understand about that?