Is Jesus the Word of God?

[Taz]

So you've got no law, just as I thought.

You're kidding right? You've never even heard of the law of karma?

Karma - Wikipedia

Is that a good enough link? Want 50 more? I know it is a total waste of time talking to you and anything I say will utterly fall right off your back since you obviously are not looking for spiritual experience, but think God is something you must be able to sit on a table and examine. And you dare God to show himself, prove himself to you as you stand there eyes closed, hands in pocket, balancing on one foot with your pocket watch giving him conditions and a time limit. You don't believe in God because you don't WANT to believe in God, not that it's just a matter of faith, but it is a matter of being open and ready, its a matter of meeting him half way rather than as YOU think---- that you will believe in him after he shows himself to you, it is a matter of being far enough along the path to have the eyes to see him, a matter of your soul being ready. So you go right on being a skeptic, that is your right, because you will remain a skeptic all of your life, you'll never see God in your life because it is your very skepticism that forever bars you from having eyes that He might reveal his true wondrous nature to you.

Karma isn't a scientific effect. I don't believe that god has been proven yet because it hasn't, all you have is wishful thinking. If there's a god and it wanted me to see it, it would show itself to me, not leave me and everyone else dangling.

Karma isn't a scientific effect? Do you even understand that a "scientific effect" is a physical phenomena? For as much as karma can be related to a physical process, it DOES have a "scientific effect" called Newton's Third Law:

Newton's Third Law

So let's examine the last part of your nonsense, that if God wanted you to see him. How do you know that God DOESN'T want you to see him? It is YOU that is preventing it. It is called free choice of will. The whole point to the worldly creation is to live apart from God. Some people are here on their way up towards rejoining God, others are here on their way down from leaving God. Your arguments are laughable that "God hasn't been proven" because he cannot be weighed, measured or some other means like so much rock is laughable. God isn't matter nor energy, he is beyond the material creation.

So what proof do you have that your god exists? A book?

I have many books on the subject but there is no "proof" that one may hold out for another to see. The only real proof comes from direct, inner experience. Until you have it, you will never have the "proof" you seek, and it is not a one way street. It isn't enough to merely seek it, some people seek it their entire lives on faith alone. Ultimately, God must decide to reveal himself to you. Until and unless that happens, all you have is your faith. Many people don't even have that. Many people ask why that is and use that to claim God doesn't exist because they think he would just make it easy and reveal himself to everyone. I don't have an easy answer for you. I'm not smart enough to know why God does things in a certain way. I only wish more people had the faith and desire to want to know Him.

So you admit that all you have is self-delusion. Good for you.

 

[koshergrl]

The bible was written to control people. Most people fall for that because they desperately want to be liked and in a group of like minded people. Simpletons really, gullible enough to swallow that nonsense.

So, in other words, a lot like Democrats, you say? It is very easy to tell yourself that religion is all primitive and superstition and that you have progressed and are far superior. I was an atheist too when young under something bloomed in me as a teen, I started seeing connections, started asking the right questions, began to want more in life until one day I had my first spiritual experience. Once you do, all doubt is gone.

The funny thing is that as more and more people reject religion for atheism, society grows more and more savage, not less. Atheists tell themselves they don't need a "God," but that is not true. Just that their "god" is themselves. Good luck with that.

Most people believe in a god so if the world is getting more violent look at Muslims, Christians and Jews for a start.

Satan believes in God.
I lay the blame where it belongs. People who hate Christians and hate God and who get off on trying to blame Christians for evil in the world.

 

[Taz]

just curious tb-freak does your "experience" endorse the desert religions ... from once being an atheist.

I don't endorse any particular religion, that is totally a personal choice based on your own experiences, but I have the greatest affinity for the older eastern religions most, western Christianity less (though I was raised that way), I find a lot of contradictions there (as well as many inexcusably bad actions by the Church in the Middle Ages), and least of all Islam because Islam is more a social system, and the Muslim faith is far too marred these days by extremism and violence.

What older eastern religions?
Orthodox Christianity?
What others are there?

Seriously? You are totally unfamiliar with:

Vedic Science?
Hinduism?
Buddhism?
Zen?
Taoism?

Oh for some reason I thought you were referencing Christianity.

Maybe because that's what this thread is about.

The thread is about Jesus, who was the son of God. Part of the Trinity, he was both separate from (a trinitarian plenary aspect of) as well as part of the whole. Often referred to as Homoousion, one of the three aspects of God.

Trinity - Wikipedia

The Holy Spirit was the source of all, the Father was the Creator, and the Son (Jesus) was God's way of linking to man, that man may know him. Not entirely indifferent from a fundamental Vedic precept of Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva, the first being the maintainer of all, the second bringing about the cosmic manifestation, and the third returning all back into oblivion.

The modern atheistic scientific concepts are not wholly without their parallels: in their view, Mahavishnu or the Holy Spirit becomes the Physical Laws, Brahma or the Father Creator becomes our Big Bang, and Shiva becomes the eventual entropy and dissolution of the universe when it all finally falls back upon itself at the end of time. Science really hasn't forsaken religion, they have merely changed some of the terminology and concepts from the original Rgveda put down over 3500 years ago and denied any sentient super-deities in control of or overseeing the universe to be replaced with random physical events. Science is merely the religion of an impersonal (non-person) god (cause).

Whether you believe in "God" or not, what I think is most interesting and important is that today's most advanced theories of the universe essentially are not too different in their fundamental ideas from concepts originally put down 5000 years ago and eventually put into written form 35 centuries ago. Modern science has merely given these old ideas new interpretations.

So if Jesus is god's son, then Jesus had some of the same DNA as god?

 

[hobelim]

Me delusional? It certainly agree that it must seem that way to you, lol...Is it any wonder? you are all hung up on kangaroos.

If no one else was ever in touch with an invisible superbeing from another dimension the bible would never have been written.

Maybe if you complain louder he will come down from his resting place to kiss your ass? Have you ever tried winking and waving? Can you twerk?

The bible was written to control people, accept your lot in this life because in the next you'll be rewarded. Most people fell/fall for that because they desperately want to be liked and in a group of like minded people. Simpletons really, gullible enough to swallow that nonsense. I see nothing supernatural in the bible, just a bunch of cartoonish stories that nobody believes.

You read the bible and see nothing..lol... What can I say, Taz?

Congratulations? Goodie for you and whoop di doo?

Nobody here has shown me anything either, you all just make shit up as you go along and cherry-pick the things you'll believe and the things that you won't, it's ludicrous. I came here wondering if anyone might have something real in their beliefs, something that would make me see their god. I understand it, but I've yet to see anything to sink my teeth into, just a lot bs.

Ok Taz, Lets recap..You claim to have read the bible but found nothing but silly stories that only the gullible would swallow. Fine. I show you valuable things, highly advanced wisdom and an intimate knowledge and understanding of the inner workings of the human mind that surpasses even our own hidden in those silly stories but still you see nothing..fine.


You can't grasp the teachings of silly stories written for children by people that you deride as ignorant goat herders even when its handed to you all nicely gift wrapped with a pretty little bow on top.

I can live with that but apparently you remain in some sort of discomfit. Thats your problem.


You say that you want to read but are too lazy to learn your A, B, C's.

I am not trying to get you to see my God.

I'm a trying to get you to apply your own mind to understand deep and mysterious metaphors like talking snakes and donkeys, raising the dead, ascending into heaven, giving sight to the blind, etc.

First things first buckaroo..

You will never see my God if you can't see that...

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will. I can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.

If you do, your mind will slowly be corrected, your sense of time will change until it dawns on you that there is another entire universe in existence on another frequency that has always been just above your grasp, beyond your tiny range of distorted perceptions.

 

[Taz]

The bible was written to control people, accept your lot in this life because in the next you'll be rewarded. Most people fell/fall for that because they desperately want to be liked and in a group of like minded people. Simpletons really, gullible enough to swallow that nonsense. I see nothing supernatural in the bible, just a bunch of cartoonish stories that nobody believes.

You read the bible and see nothing..lol... What can I say, Taz?

Congratulations? Goodie for you and whoop di doo?

Nobody here has shown me anything either, you all just make shit up as you go along and cherry-pick the things you'll believe and the things that you won't, it's ludicrous. I came here wondering if anyone might have something real in their beliefs, something that would make me see their god. I understand it, but I've yet to see anything to sink my teeth into, just a lot bs.

Ok Taz, Lets recap..You claim to have read the bible but found nothing but silly stories that only the gullible would swallow. Fine. I show you valuable things, highly advanced wisdom and an intimate knowledge and understanding of the inner workings of the human mind that surpasses even our own hidden in those silly stories but still you see nothing..fine.


You can't grasp the teachings of silly stories written for children by people that you deride as ignorant goat herders even when its handed to you all nicely gift wrapped with a pretty little bow on top.

I can live with that but apparently you remain in some sort of discomfit. Thats your problem.


You say that you want to read but are too lazy to learn your A, B, C's.

I am not trying to get you to see my God.

I'm a trying to get you to apply your own mind to understand deep and mysterious metaphors like talking snakes and donkeys, raising the dead, ascending into heaven, giving sight to the blind, etc.

First things first buckaroo..

You will never see my God if you can't see that...

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

 

[hobelim]

You read the bible and see nothing..lol... What can I say, Taz?

Congratulations? Goodie for you and whoop di doo?

Nobody here has shown me anything either, you all just make shit up as you go along and cherry-pick the things you'll believe and the things that you won't, it's ludicrous. I came here wondering if anyone might have something real in their beliefs, something that would make me see their god. I understand it, but I've yet to see anything to sink my teeth into, just a lot bs.

Ok Taz, Lets recap..You claim to have read the bible but found nothing but silly stories that only the gullible would swallow. Fine. I show you valuable things, highly advanced wisdom and an intimate knowledge and understanding of the inner workings of the human mind that surpasses even our own hidden in those silly stories but still you see nothing..fine.


You can't grasp the teachings of silly stories written for children by people that you deride as ignorant goat herders even when its handed to you all nicely gift wrapped with a pretty little bow on top.

I can live with that but apparently you remain in some sort of discomfit. Thats your problem.


You say that you want to read but are too lazy to learn your A, B, C's.

I am not trying to get you to see my God.

I'm a trying to get you to apply your own mind to understand deep and mysterious metaphors like talking snakes and donkeys, raising the dead, ascending into heaven, giving sight to the blind, etc.

First things first buckaroo..

You will never see my God if you can't see that...

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

 

[Taz]

Nobody here has shown me anything either, you all just make shit up as you go along and cherry-pick the things you'll believe and the things that you won't, it's ludicrous. I came here wondering if anyone might have something real in their beliefs, something that would make me see their god. I understand it, but I've yet to see anything to sink my teeth into, just a lot bs.

Ok Taz, Lets recap..You claim to have read the bible but found nothing but silly stories that only the gullible would swallow. Fine. I show you valuable things, highly advanced wisdom and an intimate knowledge and understanding of the inner workings of the human mind that surpasses even our own hidden in those silly stories but still you see nothing..fine.


You can't grasp the teachings of silly stories written for children by people that you deride as ignorant goat herders even when its handed to you all nicely gift wrapped with a pretty little bow on top.

I can live with that but apparently you remain in some sort of discomfit. Thats your problem.


You say that you want to read but are too lazy to learn your A, B, C's.

I am not trying to get you to see my God.

I'm a trying to get you to apply your own mind to understand deep and mysterious metaphors like talking snakes and donkeys, raising the dead, ascending into heaven, giving sight to the blind, etc.

First things first buckaroo..

You will never see my God if you can't see that...

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

 

[toobfreak]

So you admit that all you have is self-delusion. Good for you.

If all you took from my personal, direct experiences is that I was just deluding myself because I can't hold them out for you to weigh and measure "scientifically," then so be it. It's not worth my time arguing with you about something you know absolutely nothing about.

 

[hobelim]

Ok Taz, Lets recap..You claim to have read the bible but found nothing but silly stories that only the gullible would swallow. Fine. I show you valuable things, highly advanced wisdom and an intimate knowledge and understanding of the inner workings of the human mind that surpasses even our own hidden in those silly stories but still you see nothing..fine.


You can't grasp the teachings of silly stories written for children by people that you deride as ignorant goat herders even when its handed to you all nicely gift wrapped with a pretty little bow on top.

I can live with that but apparently you remain in some sort of discomfit. Thats your problem.


You say that you want to read but are too lazy to learn your A, B, C's.

I am not trying to get you to see my God.

I'm a trying to get you to apply your own mind to understand deep and mysterious metaphors like talking snakes and donkeys, raising the dead, ascending into heaven, giving sight to the blind, etc.

First things first buckaroo..

You will never see my God if you can't see that...

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

Is that really the best that you can do? damn..

What do you need a link to? No one openly discusses this, even now. Even after I got Indeependant to accidentally admit that that there was hidden teaching.

I showed you in plain language the fact that teaching about the law was hidden and kept from the general population according to their own scrolls from 2000 years ago.

This is what Jesus was objecting to. This is what he meant by saying that no one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel.. Thats why the authorities exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching" not because it was so unusual but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus and assholes like you.

So the only thing thats become official is that you are a dick.

Is it any wonder why Jesus said," eat this," and then put a curse on the nations?

 

[ding]

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

Is that really the best that you can do? damn..

What do you need a link to? No one openly discusses this, even now. Even after I got Indeependant to admit that that there was hidden teaching.

I showed you in plain language the fact that teaching about the law was hidden and kept from the general population according to their own scrolls from 2000 years ago.

This is what Jesus was objecting to. This is what he meant by saying that no one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel.. Thats why the authorities exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching" not because it was so unusual but because it was supposed to be kept secret.

So the only thing thats become official is that you are a dick.

Is it any wonder why Jesus said," eat this," and then put a curse on the nations?

So what was the hidden meaning to "He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it

 

[Taz]

So you admit that all you have is self-delusion. Good for you.

If all you took from my personal, direct experiences is that I was just deluding myself because I can't hold them out for you to weigh and measure "scientifically," then so be it. It's not worth my time arguing with you about something you know absolutely nothing about.

So tell us what happened...

 

[ding]

And what was the hidden meaning to "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth."

 

[ding]

What was the hidden meaning to each of these:

Mat 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear…
Mat 10:15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for…
Mat 13:17 I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous...
Mat 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here...
Mat 17:20 I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small...
Mat 18:3 I tell you the truth, unless you change…
Mat 18:18 I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth…
Mat 19:23 I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man…
Mat 21:21 I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt…
Mat 23:36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation...
Mat 24:2 I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another…
Mat 25:40 I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the…
Mat 26:21 I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me...
Mat 26:34 I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, this very night...
John 3:3 Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again…
John 3:5 Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water...
John 3:11 Truly, truly, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know…
John 5:19 Truly, truly, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself…
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say unto you, He that heareth my word...
John 5:25 Truly, truly, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now...
John 6:26 Truly, truly, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw…
John 6:32 Truly, truly, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from…
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath...
John 6:53 Truly, truly, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man…
John 8:34 Truly, truly, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin...
John 8:51 Truly, truly, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall...
John 8:58 Truly, truly, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am...

 

[Taz]

But when the stories were written, people thought that they were true, some still do. You now have to apply alternate meanings to the stories because on their face, they're quite retarded. So you move the goalposts. Seems kinda weak to me.

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

Is that really the best that you can do? damn..

What do you need a link to? No one openly discusses this, even now. Even after I got Indeependant to accidentally admit that that there was hidden teaching.

I showed you in plain language the fact that teaching about the law was hidden and kept from the general population according to their own scrolls from 2000 years ago.

This is what Jesus was objecting to. This is what he meant by saying that no one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel.. Thats why the authorities exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching" not because it was so unusual but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus and assholes like you.

So the only thing thats become official is that you are a dick.

Is it any wonder why Jesus said," eat this," and then put a curse on the nations?

When Jesus said “eat this”, was he holding his schlong?

So you’re privy to some secret decoding of the bible that can’t be found on the internet?

 

[hobelim]

You are just wrong Taz. The stories were read as written. I'm sure that many people took them literally and either believed or dismissed them as nonsense and never gave two thoughts about it just like many still do... The thing is there is hidden teaching in the law that was held back from general public knowledge. Only initiates into the secrets of the kingdom of God were permitted to discuss or debate the hidden meaning of the law amongst themselves. Only those who sought deeper meaning received it.

It was forbidden to discus with lay people the hidden teaching in the law, especially with the froward, ever. I can provide evidence for this if you like.

When enemies came and slaughtered all of the elders who held the secret teachings safe in their mind all that was left were these stories that made little sense and no one understood until Jesus came, discovered what was hidden and lost to time, shared this knowledge with a select few, and then and buried it again. When the select few who understood the hidden teachings were slaughtered, the secrets to the kingdom of Heaven were lost to time again....


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


Unless you are prepared to think deeply, your efforts will never bear fruit. Unless you apply your mind to understand, you never will.

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

Is that really the best that you can do? damn..

What do you need a link to? No one openly discusses this, even now. Even after I got Indeependant to accidentally admit that that there was hidden teaching.

I showed you in plain language the fact that teaching about the law was hidden and kept from the general population according to their own scrolls from 2000 years ago.

This is what Jesus was objecting to. This is what he meant by saying that no one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel.. Thats why the authorities exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching" not because it was so unusual but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus and assholes like you.

So the only thing thats become official is that you are a dick.

Is it any wonder why Jesus said," eat this," and then put a curse on the nations?

When Jesus said “eat this”, was he holding his schlong?

So you’re privy to some secret decoding of the bible that can’t be found on the internet?

Alrighty then.. lol...Maybe thinking isn't your strong suit...A foul and smelly pus comes oozing out every time I squeeze your head. Maybe you should find another hobby?

Maybe you could learn to play golf? Strike that. You couldn't take the pressure.. What about mowing the lawn?

 

[Taz]

Ok, I'll give it a shot and see what they have to say. Do you have a link to a site that discusses this hidden meaning and that it was illegal to share that knowledge?

No one discusses these things openly. People like you have been written off. Many are not even aware that there is anything there to discuss. Many are just pretending that there is nothing there...

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

"No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law [Torah]."


Manual of Discipline


note; I only quoted from this site because it was easy to cite, copy and paste, the relevant dead sea scroll translations.

No link? Not even one? So it's official, you're a total punk and a fraud.

Is that really the best that you can do? damn..

What do you need a link to? No one openly discusses this, even now. Even after I got Indeependant to accidentally admit that that there was hidden teaching.

I showed you in plain language the fact that teaching about the law was hidden and kept from the general population according to their own scrolls from 2000 years ago.

This is what Jesus was objecting to. This is what he meant by saying that no one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel.. Thats why the authorities exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching" not because it was so unusual but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus and assholes like you.

So the only thing thats become official is that you are a dick.

Is it any wonder why Jesus said," eat this," and then put a curse on the nations?

When Jesus said “eat this”, was he holding his schlong?

So you’re privy to some secret decoding of the bible that can’t be found on the internet?

Alrighty then.. lol...Maybe thinking isn't your strong suit...A foul and smelly pus comes oozing out every time I squeeze your head. Maybe you should find another hobby?

Maybe you could learn to play golf? Strike that. You couldn't take the pressure.. What about mowing the lawn?

So where can I learn this special knowledge? Do I need to go down the K hole?

 

[Soupnazi630]

~14 billion years ago all the matter and energy that exists in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool. We know this from the cosmic background radiation, red shift and solutions to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

In fact, the matter that makes up who you are was present for the creation of space and time.

The laws of nature were in place before space and time were created as they governed the creation of space and time. These same laws predestined being that know and create would eventually arise.

Actually no we do not know that.

We know the expansion happened, however thanks to Einstein and the red shift ad background radiation we only have a good idea of what happened a tiny fraction of a second AFTER the expansion began.

We really do not have any idea what happened in the time before that fraction of a second.

Therefore the rest of your post is pure ignorance of cosmology. Especially the part about the laws being present BEFORE the expansion began which we do NOT know and have no reason to state as a truth the way you did.

Also nothing whatsoever in cosmology and our understanding of the universe points to it being created as opposed to happening due to natural forces.

You are dishonestly citing evidence where their is none at all

What possible natural force could create time and space and fill it with matter and energy?

I don't know in fact I do not know if anyone else can answer that.

On the other hand we can still continue to try and find the answer through science. Unless we give up and say it is some god.

The inflaton is one theory:
Inflaton - Wikipedia

Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

 

[ding]

Actually no we do not know that.

We know the expansion happened, however thanks to Einstein and the red shift ad background radiation we only have a good idea of what happened a tiny fraction of a second AFTER the expansion began.

We really do not have any idea what happened in the time before that fraction of a second.

Therefore the rest of your post is pure ignorance of cosmology. Especially the part about the laws being present BEFORE the expansion began which we do NOT know and have no reason to state as a truth the way you did.

Also nothing whatsoever in cosmology and our understanding of the universe points to it being created as opposed to happening due to natural forces.

You are dishonestly citing evidence where their is none at all

What possible natural force could create time and space and fill it with matter and energy?

I don't know in fact I do not know if anyone else can answer that.

On the other hand we can still continue to try and find the answer through science. Unless we give up and say it is some god.

The inflaton is one theory:
Inflaton - Wikipedia

Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

 

[Soupnazi630]

What possible natural force could create time and space and fill it with matter and energy?

I don't know in fact I do not know if anyone else can answer that.

On the other hand we can still continue to try and find the answer through science. Unless we give up and say it is some god.

The inflaton is one theory:
Inflaton - Wikipedia

Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

 

[ding]

I don't know in fact I do not know if anyone else can answer that.

On the other hand we can still continue to try and find the answer through science. Unless we give up and say it is some god.

The inflaton is one theory:
Inflaton - Wikipedia

Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.