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The inflaton is one theory:
Inflaton - Wikipedia

Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

 

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Yes, but that means the laws of nature existed before space and time itself.

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

 

[Soupnazi630]

No it does not mean that

Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

All true and none of it suggests that it was created.

Nor has it been established or proven that it is finite.

Absolutely no evidence of any kind exists for a god or gods least of all within science.

 

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Of course it does. How else was space and time created if not by following the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation?

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

All true and none of it suggests that it was created.

Nor has it been established or proven that it is finite.

Absolutely no evidence of any kind exists for a god or gods least of all within science.

You mean besides the fact that the 2nd Law of Nature requires that space and time had a beginning and that that beginning had to follow rules that existed before space and time.

Do you have any data to support your position? Anything at all?

 

[Soupnazi630]

It was not created and no it does not mean any such thing.

You are demanding an assumption with no evidence be accepted as fact sorry but you are wrong.

Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

All true and none of it suggests that it was created.

Nor has it been established or proven that it is finite.

Absolutely no evidence of any kind exists for a god or gods least of all within science.

You mean besides the fact that the 2nd Law of Nature requires that space and time had a beginning and that that beginning had to follow rules that existed before space and time.

Do you have any data to support your position? Anything at all?

No the second law of nature does not say that sorry.

Yes the complete lack of evidence.

You have provided tons of data to support that with dozens of posts none of which offers any evidence of a god

 

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Of course space and time were created. It is impossible for space and time to be infinite. That would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

All true and none of it suggests that it was created.

Nor has it been established or proven that it is finite.

Absolutely no evidence of any kind exists for a god or gods least of all within science.

You mean besides the fact that the 2nd Law of Nature requires that space and time had a beginning and that that beginning had to follow rules that existed before space and time.

Do you have any data to support your position? Anything at all?

No the second law of nature does not say that sorry.

Yes the complete lack of evidence.

You have provided tons of data to support that with dozens of posts none of which offers any evidence of a god

Can you name one expert who agrees with you?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not being infinite does not mean they were created.

They are not created.

Don't tell CERN that.

"Astrophysicists have uncovered a great deal of compelling evidence over the past hundred years to support the Big Bang theory. Among this evidence is the observation that the universe is expanding. By looking at light emitted by distant galaxies, scientists have found that these galaxies are rapidly moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way. An explosion like the Big Bang, which sent matter flying outward from a point, explains this observation.

Another critical discovery was the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space. Astronomers believe these microwaves, whose temperature is about -270 degrees Celsius, are the remnants of the extremely high-temperature radiation produced by the Big Bang.

Interestingly, astronomers can get an idea of how hot the universe used to be by looking at very distant clouds of gas through high-power telescopes. Because light from these clouds can take billions of years to reach our telescopes, we see such bodies as they appeared eons ago. Lo and behold, these ancient clouds of gas seem to be hotter than younger clouds.

Scientists have also been able to uphold the Big Bang theory by measuring the relative amounts of different elements in the universe. They've found that the universe contains about 74 percent hydrogen and 26 percent helium by mass, the two lightest elements. All the other heavier elements -- including elements common on earth, such as carbon and oxygen -- make up just a tiny trace of all matter.

So how does this prove anything about the Big Bang? Scientists have shown, using theoretical calculations, that these abundances could only have been made in a universe that began in a very hot, dense state, and then quickly cooled and expanded. This is exactly the kind of universe that the Big Bang theory predicts."

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research. Its business is fundamental physics, finding out what the Universe is made of and how it works.

CERN | Accelerating science

All true and none of it suggests that it was created.

Nor has it been established or proven that it is finite.

Absolutely no evidence of any kind exists for a god or gods least of all within science.

You mean besides the fact that the 2nd Law of Nature requires that space and time had a beginning and that that beginning had to follow rules that existed before space and time.

Do you have any data to support your position? Anything at all?

No the second law of nature does not say that sorry.

Yes the complete lack of evidence.

You have provided tons of data to support that with dozens of posts none of which offers any evidence of a god

Can you name one expert who agrees with you?

Yes but do not need to as it is simple fact.

You have not presented any evidence. No expertise needed to prove that.

You have posted a few basic scientific truths and some outright lies but no evidence of a god.

 

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As it turns out, in every real-world energy transfer or transformation, some amount of energy is converted to a form that’s unusable (unavailable to do work). In most cases, this unusable energy takes the form of heat.
Although heat can in fact do work under the right circumstances, it can never be turned into other (work-performing) types of energy with 100% efficiency. So, every time an energy transfer happens, some amount of useful energy will move from the useful to the useless category.

The laws of thermodynamics

 

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The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

 

[Soupnazi630]

The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

None of which supports your claim about a law of nature which you made up

 

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Energy undergoes many conversions and takes on many different forms as it moves. Every conversion that it undergoes has some associated "loss" of energy. Although this energy doesn't actually disappear, some amount of the initial energy turns into forms that are not usable.

Energy loss - Energy Education

 

[Soupnazi630]

Energy undergoes many conversions and takes on many different forms as it moves. Every conversion that it undergoes has some associated "loss" of energy. Although this energy doesn't actually disappear, some amount of the initial energy turns into forms that are not usable.

Energy loss - Energy Education

Still does not apply to the fictional second law of nature which you dreamed up in ignorance.

 

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The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

None of which supports your claim about a law of nature which you made up

Of course it does as time approaches infinity usable energy approaches zero. Therefore, space and time did have a beginning.

Do you have any scientific source that says space and time did not have a beginning?

 

[Soupnazi630]

The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

None of which supports your claim about a law of nature which you made up

Of course it does as time approaches infinity usable energy approaches zero. Therefore, space and time did have a beginning.

Do you have any scientific source that says space and time did not have a beginning?

I never said it did not have a beginning.

Of course it has nothing to do with the second law of nature which does not exist and which you simply dreamed up.

You fail again.

 

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Energy undergoes many conversions and takes on many different forms as it moves. Every conversion that it undergoes has some associated "loss" of energy. Although this energy doesn't actually disappear, some amount of the initial energy turns into forms that are not usable.

Energy loss - Energy Education

Still does not apply to the fictional second law of nature which you dreamed up in ignorance.

Here is a link where scientists explain that space and time had a beginning.

Did the Universe Begin? | Closer to Truth

Can you provide a link to scientists that say that space and time did not have a beginning?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Energy undergoes many conversions and takes on many different forms as it moves. Every conversion that it undergoes has some associated "loss" of energy. Although this energy doesn't actually disappear, some amount of the initial energy turns into forms that are not usable.

Energy loss - Energy Education

Still does not apply to the fictional second law of nature which you dreamed up in ignorance.

Here is a link where scientists explain that space and time had a beginning.

Did the Universe Begin? | Closer to Truth

Can you provide a link to scientists that say that space and time did not have a beginning?

One more time.'

Read this slowly.

I never claimed it did not have a beginning.

Whether it had a beginning or not does not in any way shape or form prove it was created. Nor is there a second law of nature which you dreamed up.

 

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The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

None of which supports your claim about a law of nature which you made up

Of course it does as time approaches infinity usable energy approaches zero. Therefore, space and time did have a beginning.

Do you have any scientific source that says space and time did not have a beginning?

I never said it did not have a beginning.

Of course it has nothing to do with the second law of nature which does not exist and which you simply dreamed up.

You fail again.

No. I did not dream it up. I got it from scientists.

Here's one who explains it.



Do you have a link from someone who says the 2nd Law allows for matter and energy to exist forever without the universe reaching thermal equilibrium?

 

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Energy undergoes many conversions and takes on many different forms as it moves. Every conversion that it undergoes has some associated "loss" of energy. Although this energy doesn't actually disappear, some amount of the initial energy turns into forms that are not usable.

Energy loss - Energy Education

Still does not apply to the fictional second law of nature which you dreamed up in ignorance.

Here is a link where scientists explain that space and time had a beginning.

Did the Universe Begin? | Closer to Truth

Can you provide a link to scientists that say that space and time did not have a beginning?

One more time.'

Read this slowly.

I never claimed it did not have a beginning.

Whether it had a beginning or not does not in any way shape or form prove it was created. Nor is there a second law of nature which you dreamed up.

Do you have a link to a scientist who backs up your position?

 

[Soupnazi630]

The second law of thermodynamics states that in each energy transfer there is a loss of usable energy.

21st Century Anthropology: A Reference Handbook

None of which supports your claim about a law of nature which you made up

Of course it does as time approaches infinity usable energy approaches zero. Therefore, space and time did have a beginning.

Do you have any scientific source that says space and time did not have a beginning?

I never said it did not have a beginning.

Of course it has nothing to do with the second law of nature which does not exist and which you simply dreamed up.

You fail again.

No. I did not dream it up. I got it from scientists.

Here's one who explains it.



Do you have a link from someone who says the 2nd Law allows for matter and energy to exist forever without the universe reaching thermal equilibrium?

There is no second law of nature which you lied about.

Yes you dreamed it up because you have lost the argument with every post.

 

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If space and time had a beginning then space and time were created.