Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[Geaux4it]

In the countries with “free everything” they do!

Please provide a few examples.

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

Then move there Franky. We want you to be happy

-Geaux

 

[Wry Catcher]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

WRONG, is this something you heard from Hannity or Limbaugh?

Here are the facts:

Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

You may think a repeal of Obamacare would apply only to the roughly 22 million Americans who have gained coverage under the law. But changes to the law formally known as the Affordable Care Act would also affect current and future Medicare beneficiaries—that is, pretty much all Americans.

After a rush to begin dismantling Obamacare when he first took office, President Donald Trump appears to have pushed the pause button. He said in an interview with Fox News over the weekend that it might take until next year for replacement legislation to be ready.*** Some lawmakers have recently shifted their rhetoric from repealing Obamacare to “repairing” it, suggesting less of an overhaul than previously envisioned.

***Trump said this in Feb 2017. Where is the Republican replacement he promised?

link: Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

From the link above:

Since 2011, Medicare beneficiaries have received free preventive screenings such as mammograms and colonoscopies. The law also implemented an annual free wellness visit. These changes mirror those the law made to the insurance market for people under age 65: Both group and individual plans must now cover annual preventive checkups and other screenings at no cost to patients. (Read about how the Affordable Care Act affects employer-sponsored health coverage.)

Before Obamacare, most Medicare beneficiaries paid a co-payment for preventive services, and, depending on their coverage, possibly a percentage of the overall doctor’s bill. While this might not seem like a big outlay, half of all Medicare beneficiaries had incomes below $24,150 per person in 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, so every little savings helps.

Now, apologize for posting false news WT.

 

[francoHFW]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And, those paying into Medicare are compelled by force of government, given no other choice?

Nope! If you opt out of Medicare they will take your social security too! Medicare! You pay 30 years before drawing a dime, you pay monthly premiums, you pay deductibles you pay co pays! You think it’s cheap?

The real problem with our Healthcare is that it is ridiculously expensive after many years of GOP giveaway to it, it is about about twice as as expensive as anywhere else... We need government regulation and transparent competition. Like Obamacare with more regulation... Not GOP and crony insurers sabotage....

 

[WillowTree]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

WRONG, is this something you heard from Hannity or Limbaugh?

Here are the facts:

Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

You may think a repeal of Obamacare would apply only to the roughly 22 million Americans who have gained coverage under the law. But changes to the law formally known as the Affordable Care Act would also affect current and future Medicare beneficiaries—that is, pretty much all Americans.

After a rush to begin dismantling Obamacare when he first took office, President Donald Trump appears to have pushed the pause button. He said in an interview with Fox News over the weekend that it might take until next year for replacement legislation to be ready.*** Some lawmakers have recently shifted their rhetoric from repealing Obamacare to “repairing” it, suggesting less of an overhaul than previously envisioned.

***Trump said this in Feb 2017. Where is the Republican replacement he promised?

link: Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

From the link above:

Since 2011, Medicare beneficiaries have received free preventive screenings such as mammograms and colonoscopies. The law also implemented an annual free wellness visit. These changes mirror those the law made to the insurance market for people under age 65: Both group and individual plans must now cover annual preventive checkups and other screenings at no cost to patients. (Read about how the Affordable Care Act affects employer-sponsored health coverage.)

Before Obamacare, most Medicare beneficiaries paid a co-payment for preventive services, and, depending on their coverage, possibly a percentage of the overall doctor’s bill. While this might not seem like a big outlay, half of all Medicare beneficiaries had incomes below $24,150 per person in 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, so every little savings helps.

Now, apologize for posting false news WT.

I posted the truth!

 

[francoHFW]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

WRONG, is this something you heard from Hannity or Limbaugh?

Here are the facts:

Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

You may think a repeal of Obamacare would apply only to the roughly 22 million Americans who have gained coverage under the law. But changes to the law formally known as the Affordable Care Act would also affect current and future Medicare beneficiaries—that is, pretty much all Americans.

After a rush to begin dismantling Obamacare when he first took office, President Donald Trump appears to have pushed the pause button. He said in an interview with Fox News over the weekend that it might take until next year for replacement legislation to be ready.*** Some lawmakers have recently shifted their rhetoric from repealing Obamacare to “repairing” it, suggesting less of an overhaul than previously envisioned.

***Trump said this in Feb 2017. Where is the Republican replacement he promised?

link: Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

From the link above:

Since 2011, Medicare beneficiaries have received free preventive screenings such as mammograms and colonoscopies. The law also implemented an annual free wellness visit. These changes mirror those the law made to the insurance market for people under age 65: Both group and individual plans must now cover annual preventive checkups and other screenings at no cost to patients. (Read about how the Affordable Care Act affects employer-sponsored health coverage.)

Before Obamacare, most Medicare beneficiaries paid a co-payment for preventive services, and, depending on their coverage, possibly a percentage of the overall doctor’s bill. While this might not seem like a big outlay, half of all Medicare beneficiaries had incomes below $24,150 per person in 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, so every little savings helps.

Now, apologize for posting false news WT.

That is all he knows, like all GOP Chumps....

 

[JGalt]

In the countries with “free everything” they do!

Please provide a few examples.

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

"Google"? Really?

There's your fallacy: Getting faulty information from a leftists website. You might as well be relying on late-night comedians for you political advice.

What's that? You do rely on late-night comedians for your political advice?

Dumbass. Do you not even have a clue as to how much of a fuckin' hillbilly you really are? Relying on late-night comedians for you political advice is the liberal equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!...."

Not going to turn out like you expected but much hilarity for any spectators, ya dumbass.

 

[gallantwarrior]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

If we keep importing poor people we will go bankrupt

Only as long as we insist that our tax dollars are spent to subsidize said poor people, who are expected to vote for socialism.

 

[francoHFW]

Please provide a few examples.

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

Then move there Franky. We want you to be happy

-Geaux

What a GOP fool you are... You can't move anywhere unless you're a millionaire, doctor, or married to a foreigner, or have a job waiting for you... Now why does our country suck so bad? Answer: scumbag GOP and stupid doops like you.
.

 

[debbiedowner]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

We already have a system that works. Medicare. Just expand it to everyone.

Are ewe aware that the folks on Medicare paid into the system 20 or 30 years before they received a nickels worth of care? The democrats stole 960 billion dollars of their money?

When the hell are you ever going to do your research? I bet you'll be smiling ear to ear next year since the donut hole went to what it was suppose to be in 2020. So do tell us all how Medicare affected you, come one tell me how that so called 960 billion hurt you. You can't and you don't know.


The $700 Billion Medicare Myth || Center for Medicare Advocacy

Medicare has been front and center in the media and on the campaign trails this week. As part of our Medicare Truth Squad efforts to debunk myths and claims about the Medicare program, today we focus our attention on a pervasive myth that keeps going around.

Some policymakers, candidates, and members of the media have been touting the claim that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) cuts $700 billion from Medicare. You may have even started receiving robo-calls that repeat this point. These claims are simply untrue.

What the ACA Really Does for Medicare

The Affordable Care Act achieves savings in the Medicare program through a series of payment reforms, service delivery innovations, and increased efforts to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse. The actual projected reduction in Medicare spending is largely a result of reducing overpayments to private Medicare plans that have been paid more than traditional Medicare but do not perform any better. In fact, according the GAO, saving on wasteful overpayments now means there will more future funds for legitimate coverage.[1]

Besides reducing fraud and saving taxpayer dollars on excessive overpayments to private insurance companies, the Affordable Care Act has already made, and will continue to make, improvements to Medicare.[2] In fact, people with Medicare are already seeing real savings – an average of over $800 per person on their drug costs this year alone.

The bottom line: ACA preserves every cent of Medicare's guaranteed benefits AND makes improvements to the program.

Ryan Budget Slashes Benefits

A prominent plan touted as the alternative to the Affordable Care Act is the budget proposal put forward by Congressman and Vice-Presidential candidate Paul Ryan. However, Mr. Ryan's budget proposal for the past two years has included the same $700 billion reduction in Medicare spending as in the ACA.[3] The Ryan plan, however, ends Medicare's guaranteed benefit design and turns the community program into a system of vouchers, leaving millions of beneficiaries in the hands of private insurance companies, with no guarantee of the coverage they need. The Ryan plan does NOT save money for people with Medicare, it doesn't save the Medicare program, and it does not help solve the nation's deficit.

 

[debbiedowner]

The Venezuelan government can't even run a simple oil industry. Oil exports account for 96% of their revenues, but output has dropped to its lowest level in 30 years — 1.5 million barrels a day, down from 3.2 million in 2008.

Yet another proven failure of socialism.

Oh, the STUPID Venezuela comparison again.

ALL the other 30 OECD Industrialized countries have National Health care in some form or total.
Canada, Germany, Japan, UK, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

Only partisan Hack Clowns would bring up Venezuela in this respect.
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He's an idiot and this thread wasn't about Venezuela. He cannot stay on topic.

 

[francoHFW]

Please provide a few examples.

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

"Google"? Really?

There's your fallacy: Getting faulty information from a leftists website. You might as well be relying on late-night comedians for you political advice.

What's that? You do rely on late-night comedians for your political advice?

Dumbass. Do you not even have a clue as to how much of a fuckin' hillbilly you really are? Relying on late-night comedians for you political advice is the liberal equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!...."

Not going to turn out like you expected but much hilarity for any spectators, ya dumbass.

Funny how every respected media around the world agrees with us and all you have is Fox Rush Etc, all paid for by greedy idiot lying thieving GOP billionaires and silly dupes like you....

 

[debbiedowner]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And, those paying into Medicare are compelled by force of government, given no other choice?

Nope! If you opt out of Medicare they will take your social security too! Medicare! You pay 30 years before drawing a dime, you pay monthly premiums, you pay deductibles you pay co pays! You think it’s cheap?

So where is your link proving what you just posted? Which by the way is not true, but prove me wrong.

 

[gallantwarrior]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And, those paying into Medicare are compelled by force of government, given no other choice?

Nope! If you opt out of Medicare they will take your social security too! Medicare! You pay 30 years before drawing a dime, you pay monthly premiums, you pay deductibles you pay co pays! You think it’s cheap?

Not even! Yet, it is repeatedly cited as a model for UHC. Many people confuse Medicare with Medicaid, though.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, other countries. The working models already exist. What does debt have to do with that?

Are you willing to pay 70% of your income?

No one pays that, dope.

In the countries with “free everything” they do!

Please provide a few examples.

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

I agree we do not want to be as screwed up as they are, but I do wonder if you added together our taxes plus what we spend on medical care/insurance if we would not be in that same range.

 

[debbiedowner]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

WRONG, is this something you heard from Hannity or Limbaugh?

Here are the facts:

Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

You may think a repeal of Obamacare would apply only to the roughly 22 million Americans who have gained coverage under the law. But changes to the law formally known as the Affordable Care Act would also affect current and future Medicare beneficiaries—that is, pretty much all Americans.

After a rush to begin dismantling Obamacare when he first took office, President Donald Trump appears to have pushed the pause button. He said in an interview with Fox News over the weekend that it might take until next year for replacement legislation to be ready.*** Some lawmakers have recently shifted their rhetoric from repealing Obamacare to “repairing” it, suggesting less of an overhaul than previously envisioned.

***Trump said this in Feb 2017. Where is the Republican replacement he promised?

link: Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

From the link above:

Since 2011, Medicare beneficiaries have received free preventive screenings such as mammograms and colonoscopies. The law also implemented an annual free wellness visit. These changes mirror those the law made to the insurance market for people under age 65: Both group and individual plans must now cover annual preventive checkups and other screenings at no cost to patients. (Read about how the Affordable Care Act affects employer-sponsored health coverage.)

Before Obamacare, most Medicare beneficiaries paid a co-payment for preventive services, and, depending on their coverage, possibly a percentage of the overall doctor’s bill. While this might not seem like a big outlay, half of all Medicare beneficiaries had incomes below $24,150 per person in 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, so every little savings helps.

Now, apologize for posting false news WT.

Yep the dummy who posted doesn't seem to know how many quarters you have to work to be on Medicare and if you don't work the required number of quarters you can buy into it.

 

[debbiedowner]

Universal health care if applied now would be the anchor that drags the US economy into a never ending downward spiral. Prior to Obamacare, the health care system was basically working but too expensive. After Obamacare, the health care system is working less well (more complicated longer wait times etc) and is considerably more expensive. It is clear that the "Affordable Care Act" had nothing to do with making health care affordable and was instead a massive expansion of healthcare to the poor and elderly who incidentally are the greatest consumers of health services.

We need to address COSTS, drug costs, treatment costs, billing simplification, new more efficient health centers, as well as meaningful tort reform and penalties for frivolous malpractice law suits. Lawyers and their class action lawsuits have become fabulously wealthy suing drug and equipment manufacturers and as a result contributed to the rising costs.

Actually Obamacare took 960 billion dollars from senior care.

WRONG, is this something you heard from Hannity or Limbaugh?

Here are the facts:

Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

You may think a repeal of Obamacare would apply only to the roughly 22 million Americans who have gained coverage under the law. But changes to the law formally known as the Affordable Care Act would also affect current and future Medicare beneficiaries—that is, pretty much all Americans.

After a rush to begin dismantling Obamacare when he first took office, President Donald Trump appears to have pushed the pause button. He said in an interview with Fox News over the weekend that it might take until next year for replacement legislation to be ready.*** Some lawmakers have recently shifted their rhetoric from repealing Obamacare to “repairing” it, suggesting less of an overhaul than previously envisioned.

***Trump said this in Feb 2017. Where is the Republican replacement he promised?

link: Think Changes to Obamacare Won't Affect You? Think Again

From the link above:

Since 2011, Medicare beneficiaries have received free preventive screenings such as mammograms and colonoscopies. The law also implemented an annual free wellness visit. These changes mirror those the law made to the insurance market for people under age 65: Both group and individual plans must now cover annual preventive checkups and other screenings at no cost to patients. (Read about how the Affordable Care Act affects employer-sponsored health coverage.)

Before Obamacare, most Medicare beneficiaries paid a co-payment for preventive services, and, depending on their coverage, possibly a percentage of the overall doctor’s bill. While this might not seem like a big outlay, half of all Medicare beneficiaries had incomes below $24,150 per person in 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, so every little savings helps.

Now, apologize for posting false news WT.

I posted the truth!

You mean the truth as you vision it in your head. You know nothing about Medicare and social security except you are probably drawing ss and reaping the benefits of Medicare.

 

[WillowTree]

What fix is there?

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And, those paying into Medicare are compelled by force of government, given no other choice?

Nope! If you opt out of Medicare they will take your social security too! Medicare! You pay 30 years before drawing a dime, you pay monthly premiums, you pay deductibles you pay co pays! You think it’s cheap?

Not even! Yet, it is repeatedly cited as a model for UHC. Many people confuse Medicare with Medicaid, though.

That’s because they are morons. Medicaid is a freebie! Medicare is paid for by working Americans! And the Democrats stoke 960 Billion dollars from it!

 

[debbiedowner]

We expand the current Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public money and free market competition and innovation.

The Supplements and MA plans are optional, and people can just buy up. We'd catch and fix problems much earlier, before they become larger and more costly problems. We take a MASSIVE cost monkey off the backs of American employers. We streamline the delivery/billing process. We no longer have Americans paying higher premiums and fees to make up for those who don't and get "free" care.

When we're younger and healthier, the plan would cover less and ladder up over time. The Supplements and MA plans would take care of the rest.

It's right there, waiting for us, but we have our heads too far up our ass to see it.
.

Are you aware that the people on Medicare paid into the system for 20-30 years before they ever drew a nickels worth of care?

And, those paying into Medicare are compelled by force of government, given no other choice?

Nope! If you opt out of Medicare they will take your social security too! Medicare! You pay 30 years before drawing a dime, you pay monthly premiums, you pay deductibles you pay co pays! You think it’s cheap?

Not even! Yet, it is repeatedly cited as a model for UHC. Many people confuse Medicare with Medicaid, though.

That’s because they are morons. Medicaid is a freebie! Medicare is paid for by working Americans! And the Democrats stoke 960 Billion dollars from it!

You are not too bright. You keep throwing out 960 billion even though you have been proven wrong. I am sorry for you.

 

[Lewdog]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

That's only one country and the U.S. played a large part in why they collapsed. Almost their entire government is financed off of oil... which is a horrible thing to do. You have to be more diversified. Because their whole economy relies so much on oil, when a large country like the U.S. ramps up oil production and drives the price of oil down, it absolutely devastates a country like Venezuela to the point they can't recover. I'm sure it was done on purpose after what the ex-president of Venezuela said about the U.S. He was one of the leaders that repeated that the U.S. has a HAARP weather making machine that can destroy countries and that they tested it in Haiti making the earthquake there.

Was Hugo Chavez Right About HAARP & The HAITI Earthquake? Is Weather Even Natural Anymore?

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

 

[Lewdog]

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

That's only one country and the U.S. played a large part in why they collapsed. Almost their entire government is financed off of oil... which is a horrible thing to do. You have to be more diversified. Because their whole economy relies so much on oil, when a large country like the U.S. ramps up oil production and drives the price of oil down, it absolutely devastates a country like Venezuela to the point they can't recover. I'm sure it was done on purpose after what the ex-president of Venezuela said about the U.S. He was one of the leaders that repeated that the U.S. has a HAARP weather making machine that can destroy countries and that they tested it in Haiti making the earthquake there.

Was Hugo Chavez Right About HAARP & The HAITI Earthquake? Is Weather Even Natural Anymore?

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I have never seen anyone else here pull up the HAARP.

Even though, compared to the Russian conspiracy theory, that seems like a beacon of sane. Guy's an amateur compared to a seasoned veteran like yourself.

Really? Because a simple search of HAARP shows 39 search results.