Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[dblack]

Here, I'll make it easy for you: Obamacare architect leaves White House for pharmaceutical industry job | Glenn Greenwald

 

[francoHFW]

Here, I'll make it easy for you: Obamacare architect leaves White House for pharmaceutical industry job | Glenn Greenwald

The GOP is a hell of a lot worse, and they don't get into baby powder LOL

 

[dblack]

Just because a program benefits a lot of people that does not mean it is a "good" program.

Imagine a program that imposes a surtax of $5,000 per year on every right-handed person, and sends out a check for $35,000 every December for all the Lefties.

Stupid program, right? But it would greatly benefit one-seventh of the population, and God help you if you decided to kill the program ten years out. All the Beneficiaries would be screaming to high heaven that "taking away their money" is ruining their lives.

So just because you can find people who are happy to have Obamacare does not mean that it is (a) good, (b) sustainable, or (c) Constitutional. It is NONE of them.

ACA helps everyone and is a framework to add regulation to cut costs which is what we need now. Sorry fat cat insurers doctors Pharma etc etc etcetera

It's a feeding trough for corporations. And you know it.

Less than it used to be... For example about 27% of big health money went for non-health spending ACA. ACA brought that down to 20%... Now we need more of that kind of thing, instead of the scumbag GOP trying to go back to the old scam non-system...

Google LIz Fowler.

I am shocked shocked LOL...

It must be painful to see your reps dangling from the corporate teat so grotesquely.

 

[francoHFW]

ACA helps everyone and is a framework to add regulation to cut costs which is what we need now. Sorry fat cat insurers doctors Pharma etc etc etcetera

It's a feeding trough for corporations. And you know it.

Less than it used to be... For example about 27% of big health money went for non-health spending ACA. ACA brought that down to 20%... Now we need more of that kind of thing, instead of the scumbag GOP trying to go back to the old scam non-system...

Google LIz Fowler.

I am shocked shocked LOL...

It must be painful to see your reps dangling from the corporate teat so grotesquely.

The GOP is so much worse and they are the people that made the rules that brought this revolving door and lobbyist disgrace and protect it d u h.

 

[francoHFW]

ACA helps everyone and is a framework to add regulation to cut costs which is what we need now. Sorry fat cat insurers doctors Pharma etc etc etcetera

It's a feeding trough for corporations. And you know it.

Less than it used to be... For example about 27% of big health money went for non-health spending ACA. ACA brought that down to 20%... Now we need more of that kind of thing, instead of the scumbag GOP trying to go back to the old scam non-system...

Google LIz Fowler.

I am shocked shocked LOL...

It must be painful to see your reps dangling from the corporate teat so grotesquely.

My reps? Who are your reps, Man of Mystery? If they are not Democrat, you are making a big mistake LOL

 

[dblack]

It's a feeding trough for corporations. And you know it.

Less than it used to be... For example about 27% of big health money went for non-health spending ACA. ACA brought that down to 20%... Now we need more of that kind of thing, instead of the scumbag GOP trying to go back to the old scam non-system...

Google LIz Fowler.

I am shocked shocked LOL...

It must be painful to see your reps dangling from the corporate teat so grotesquely.

The GOP is so much worse and they are the people that made the rules that brought this revolving door and lobbyist disgrace and protect it d u h.

Yes.. lesser of two.... Got it. Nevermind.

 

[francoHFW]

Less than it used to be... For example about 27% of big health money went for non-health spending ACA. ACA brought that down to 20%... Now we need more of that kind of thing, instead of the scumbag GOP trying to go back to the old scam non-system...

Google LIz Fowler.

I am shocked shocked LOL...

It must be painful to see your reps dangling from the corporate teat so grotesquely.

The GOP is so much worse and they are the people that made the rules that brought this revolving door and lobbyist disgrace and protect it d u h.

Yes.. lesser of two.... Got it. Nevermind.

MUCH the esser and without the GOP we woudn't be in this mess...

 

[Dan Stubbs]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

 

[dblack]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

It depends on how fast they can wiggle out from under guaranteed issue. Insurance can't work under that stipulation.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

It depends on how fast they can wiggle out from under guaranteed issue. Insurance can't work under that stipulation.

It works that way in every other developed country that doesn't have the GOP screwing it up......

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

The cost rise curve is bending down even now.... What we need is going after costs of healthcare which are absolutely ridiculous...

 

[dblack]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

It depends on how fast they can wiggle out from under guaranteed issue. Insurance can't work under that stipulation.

It works that way in every other developed country that doesn't have the GOP screwing it up......

I wish they were. But mostly, they're about as eager to sell us out to the corporatists as you are.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Get ready the payments will get to the point that collapse of the system will happen. No one who makes 250k a year is even going to need insurance.

It depends on how fast they can wiggle out from under guaranteed issue. Insurance can't work under that stipulation.

It works that way in every other developed country that doesn't have the GOP screwing it up......

I wish they were. But mostly, they're about as eager to sell us out to the corporatists as you are.

What kind of double talk is that LOL? Every other developed country can do it and all the other stuff... Don't be a dupe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

It cannot be done without price controls.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

It cannot be done without price controls.

More regulation and cost-cutting anyway..
Or raise subsidies

 

[Issa]

If we can find money for The orange and his family trips, the trillions of dollars we spend on wars, the tax breaks to the very wealthy, the hundreds of bases outside and inside the US, billions of dollars to countries like Israhell, I'm sure we can provide health care to Americans like other respectful nations do to their citizens.

 

[dblack]

If we can find money for The orange and his family trips, the trillions of dollars we spend on wars, the tax breaks to the very wealthy, the hundreds of bases outside and inside the US, billions of dollars to countries like Israhell, I'm sure we can provide health care to Americans like other respectful nations do to their citizens.

"Caretaker" government is a mistake. "All the other kids are doing it" is no excuse.

 

[Cecilie1200]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

The answers are no, and no.

From what I can see, you're telling us that the current system doesn't work well, and you think the solution to it is even more of what's making it work badly in the first place. That's like offering a drowning man a glass of water.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

You can't move there stupid and I am not talking about a broke third world country d u h ...

No, you're talking about turning the US into a broke third-world country. Duuuuuhhh.

 

[Cecilie1200]

20+ trillion in debt. 150+ trillion unfunded liabilities.

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

You need to look at what we already spend on healthcare and what universal care would cost.

You need to look at who "we" is.