Zone1 Is Feminism Destroying the West?

[Mr. Friscus]

Gender roles have changed throughout history and culture.

Nope. Across all cultures and ages throughout history men and women are very similar in their roles.

Sure, my nieces liked their dolls when they were little. But when they got older, they all went to school, and got degrees and went out into the working world.

That's fine. My point is that if you take 1000 women who marry young and have children, and compare them to 1000 women who put off marriage and seek a career, promiscuity, have abortions, etc... the married women will report being far happier and be less likely to be depressed or on medications, and also have lower numbers of suicide and radical Democrat positions.

you need to switch to things like pedophilia or bestiality?

Because your ideology cannot exist without also supporting these things.

That has nothing to do with the fact that Trans people have always existed; it's how society reacts to them that's the issue.
For instance, the Japanese treated transgender people as a third sex called "Wakashu"

You're so predictable. That's been debunked I can't believe you're still desperately claiming it. Once again, you need to get your money back for that history degree you claim to have. They had nothing to do with modern trans ideology. They were some weird intermediate invented gender between childhood and adulthood. That's it. I see you're in quite the trans bubble of information, which is feeding you anti-history. There's no doubt there are examples throughout history of small little cults and groups that have crazy things.. but notice how they don't succeed, especially if any of that stuff is mainstream.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Women are happy having their own jobs and their own money. Imagine that.

Some are. Some do. Others don't. I look at the big picture, you stay in singular anecdote land. I look at broad data, and I think it's good to guide people towards what will bring them the most success and happiness generally. there will always be exceptions (you only focus on them).

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I'd say this 1912 cartoon very much encapsulates what happens to women as they make the same climb that men do, although I wouldn't make the end gambit be "fame". Men would feel different things as they went up the stairs.

 

[initforme]

Some are. Some do. Others don't. I look at the big picture, you stay in singular anecdote land. I look at broad data, and I think it's good to guide people towards what will bring them the most success and happiness generally. there will always be exceptions (you only focus on them).

Advocating for young people to get married at 20 and have kids before getting further training or education is a recipe for unhappiness and a life of struggle and despair. This is a new era in which it takes a constant amount of money to survive. Waiting until later in life for marriage and families is going to remain the trend. And thats just something we will accept.

 

[GLASNOST]

This is a very interesting and controversial video discussing the decline of the West because largely of the Left's feminism.
I tend to agree. Birth rates are falling. The institution of marriage has become toxic to men due to no fault divorce laws and
the courts almost always awarding custody, child support, and even alimony to the wife. Women, especially young women, usually vote for progressive candidates, This has been disastrous for the West because the Left has been flooding the West with third world migrants to prop up the welfare state and dilute the native Western vote. Will the West survive this mass influx of Muslim migrants? How will women be affected by Sharia Law?

A VERY GOOD video.

 

[GLASNOST]

Advocating for young people to get married at 20 and have kids before getting further training or education is a recipe for unhappiness

No, it isn't.

and a life of struggle

Life is a struggle.

and despair.

Says who? Sharing the burden and the joys between gender is life. Competing with one another will award you despair both inside (particularly) and outside the home.

 

[initforme]

No, it isn't.

Life is a struggle.

Says who? Sharing the burden and the joys between gender is life. Competing with one another will award you despair both inside (particularly) and outside the home.

Good luck trying to afford anything on $20 per hour. That isnt going to pay for housing and food much less a kid. Reality is reality. Thats why young people are getting smarter by holding off. They are being more responsible.

 

[initforme]

30 is a perfect age. Time to gain a skill, get educated, and build up a nest egg. Become strongly independent. Wise.

 

[GLASNOST]

Life is a struggle. Sharing the burden and the joys between gender is life. Competing with one another will award you despair both inside (particularly) and outside the home.

Good luck trying to afford anything on $20 per hour. .

That's the same sort of arguement used to the need for "tips". If $20 per hour isn't enough to "afford anything" then your problem has nothing to do with gender. Raise your chin and see the real culprit.

 

[initforme]

That's the same sort of arguement used to the need for "tips". If $20 per hour isn't enough to "afford anything" then your problem has nothing to do with gender. Raise your chin and see the real culprit.

Theres many different paths to a happy life. A growing number of young people aspire to other things and theres nothing bad about that. If they are working hard then does it matter if they get married or not? Perhaps they like bring independent.

 

[GLASNOST]

Theres many different paths to a happy life. A growing number of young people aspire to other things and theres nothing bad about that. If they are working hard then does it matter if they get married or not? Perhaps they like bring independent.

Who's talking about marriage? The discussion is about Feminism Destroying the West.

 

[initforme]

Who's talking about marriage? The discussion is about Feminism Destroying the West.

I dont buy into a small percentage of women destroying much of anything. They are free to live as they wish.

 

[22lcidw]

Right, they should be all like those women in the Trade Wive Videos?

Women are happy having their own jobs and their own money. Imagine that.


Uh, guy, by 1919, you had universal male suffrage.

History isn't your strong suit.

You guys always use the generalized talk of men/women issues and differences. A fact today and for decades is that women control most of the wealth of the working classes in a good range of incomes. That includes in the home with a traditional family, they control the eventual decisions. You have screwed things up. Another issue is that the work was harder then and men were stronger to do it. Especially in industrial plants and heavy manufacturing as examples.

 

[22lcidw]

Advocating for young people to get married at 20 and have kids before getting further training or education is a recipe for unhappiness and a life of struggle and despair. This is a new era in which it takes a constant amount of money to survive. Waiting until later in life for marriage and families is going to remain the trend. And thats just something we will accept.

50% of the millennial generation males will never even consider getting married. A good percentage of females the same. The real losers are women who would like a traditional life having a very difficult time getting that opportunity mainly due to the extreme feminists.

 

[initforme]

50% of the millennial generation males will never even consider getting married. A good percentage of females the same. The real losers are women who would like a traditional life having a very difficult time getting that opportunity mainly due to the extreme feminists

Ifvthey never get married then theres no ugly divorce. Good nuff.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. Across all cultures and ages throughout history men and women are very similar in their roles.

Nope, cultures have varied throughout history.

That's fine. My point is that if you take 1000 women who marry young and have children, and compare them to 1000 women who put off marriage and seek a career, promiscuity, have abortions, etc... the married women will report being far happier and be less likely to be depressed or on medications, and also have lower numbers of suicide and radical Democrat positions.

If that was the case, why does Utah (Full of all these Mormon Women who do what their man tells them to do) have the highest rate of anti-depressent use? Seems to me that fitting into some subservient role would be very depressing to a woman.

Because your ideology cannot exist without also supporting these things.

Not at all. The big difference is consent.

Gay people consent to being gay. Trans people consent to being trans.

Children can't consent to sex with adults. Animals can't consent to sex with humans.

So comparing homosexuality to bestiality is a false equivlency, because your only argument against homosexuality is "I think it's icky" and "God says it's bad!"

You're so predictable. That's been debunked I can't believe you're still desperately claiming it. Once again, you need to get your money back for that history degree you claim to have. They had nothing to do with modern trans ideology. They were some weird intermediate invented gender between childhood and adulthood. That's it. I see you're in quite the trans bubble of information, which is feeding you anti-history. There's no doubt there are examples throughout history of small little cults and groups that have crazy things.. but notice how they don't succeed, especially if any of that stuff is mainstream.

Not sure what history you are talking about. Japan's third gender existed up until the Meiji Restoration, when Japan adopted every bad idea the west introduced to them. (Sadly, one of them was imperialism and colonialism, which is why Japan is hated in the rest of Asia to this very day.)

Some are. Some do. Others don't. I look at the big picture, you stay in singular anecdote land. I look at broad data, and I think it's good to guide people towards what will bring them the most success and happiness generally. there will always be exceptions (you only focus on them).

I agree. Equality will bring people the most success and happiness. Linking your entire happiness to another person is a path to misery (especially if that person is an asshole.)

I'd say this 1912 cartoon very much encapsulates what happens to women as they make the same climb that men do, although I wouldn't make the end gambit be "fame". Men would feel different things as they went up the stairs.

Yes, you'd have to back to 1912 to find a way to rationalize your backwards idea.

 

[GLASNOST]

Who's talking about marriage? The discussion is about Feminism Destroying the West.

I dont buy into a small percentage of women destroying much of anything. They are free to live as they wish.

I suspect that you do not have very much experience in life because you do not seem to understand what is being discussed here.

 

[wist43]

I suspect that you do not have very much experience in life because you do not seem to understand what is being discussed here.

Lol... I said the same thing to him - I thought he was a punk kid living in his mom's basement, lol...

He said he's retired!!!

Amazing someone that age can be that ignorant and obtuse.

 

[GLASNOST]

I suspect that you do not have very much experience in life because you do not seem to understand what is being discussed here.

Lol... I said the same thing to him - I thought he was a punk kid living in his mom's basement, lol...

That's a distinct impression for sure.

He said he's retired!!!

Really? He said that?

Amazing someone that age can be that ignorant and obtuse.

It used to be referred to as a "sheltered life". No experience. No character. No wisdom. It makes me think of Catholic priests who talk about chastity but then later we find out they are child rapists.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Nope, cultures have varied throughout history.

Nope. Men are the stronger, more competent sex who hunts, protects, fights wars, builds society. Show me a society where women do this and men are nurturing and submissive (besides modern men in your party)

If that was the case, why does Utah (Full of all these Mormon Women who do what their man tells them to do) have the highest rate of anti-depressent use? Seems to me that fitting into some subservient role would be very depressing to a woman.

I have no idea what small anecdotal study you're referring to, I'll just go to mass studies of the nation, which shows women use anti-depressants twice as much as men. 20% of Women age 40-64 use them, 25% of women above 65 do. There's nothing wrong with anti-depressants, but it's concerning that women who are aging out of being found attractive are turning to them so drastically.

Also, we know that married women with kids report the highest levels of happiness, and unmarried women without children report the lowest levels of happiness. That all fits with my claims.

Children can't consent to sex with adults.

They also can't consent to having their genitals mutilated.

I agree. Equality will bring people the most success and happiness. Linking your entire happiness to another person is a path to misery (especially if that person is an asshole.)

Sounds like just projection to me. Think outside of yourself for once.

Yes, you'd have to back to 1912 to find a way to rationalize your backwards idea.

Just shows they knew far more back then than you do.