Zone1 Is Feminism Destroying the West?

[MizMolly]

Crepitus

I think it's just that feminism has gone too far and many people are realizing it... and noticing how it's harming society.

Feminism is not egalitarianism; thus it's not just about some sort of equality. Feminism is an activist movement for power, and calling that out is just partaking in a debate.

most women are not feminists.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Crepitus

most women are not feminists.

They are when it’s convenient.

 

[initforme]

I think it's just that feminism has gone too far and many people are realizing it... and noticing how it's harming society.

Feminism is not egalitarianism; thus it's not just about some sort of equality. Feminism is an activist movement for power, and calling that out is just partaking in a debate.

In lieu of feminism what is it you wish women would do?

 

[JoeB131]

Men are the only ones who can build and maintain societies. Strong men are good for society. Every nation knows this. It doesn't make them superior in human life worth to women, but they are superior in strength, engineering, etc.

Women are just as capable of being engineers as men, guy, and physical toil is just not as important as it used to be.

I think it's just that feminism has gone too far and many people are realizing it... and noticing how it's harming society.

Feminism is not egalitarianism; thus it's not just about some sort of equality. Feminism is an activist movement for power, and calling that out is just partaking in a debate.

Yes, how dare those women want "power".

Look, your terminal misogyny aside, you are complaining that women are waiting to start families, without understanding WHY they are waiting to start families, and that has little to do with "Feminism".

It has to do with 50 years of the wealthy dismantling the middle class in this country, where it takes you until your 30s to have the stability to afford kids, and by then, your biological clocks are running out.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Why don’t any of you MAGA Cultists ask if toxic masculinity is responsible for the destruction of the USA? The answer is “Yes”.

My penis won't harm you. Its not even mad at you.

 

[Lockback]

Women are just as capable of being engineers as men, guy, and physical toil is just not as important as it used to be.





Yes, how dare those women want "power".

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Look, your terminal misogyny aside, you are complaining that women are waiting to start families, without understanding WHY they are waiting to start families, and that has little to do with "Feminism".

It has to do with 50 years of the wealthy dismantling the middle class in this country, where it takes you until your 30s to have the stability to afford kids, and by then, your biological clocks are running out.

You are the prototypical Communist.
I didn't think people like you still existed. Jesus.

 

[JoeB131]

You are the prototypical Communist.
I didn't think people like you still existed. Jesus.

Is gender equality "communist"?

Here's the thing. Women are outperforming men in many fields. Once you give someone a fair chance, they do well.

Now, the main initial beneficiaries of Affirmative Action were not blacks, but white women, but white women have done so well, they don't feel they need it anymore.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Is gender equality "communist"?

It can be...egalitarianism amongst the Proles being a hallmark of Communism .

The more salient question being - can the Government create and regulate gender equality?

 

[beagle9]

In lieu of feminism what is it you wish women would do?

Not be anti-male, otherwise stop blaming male's for everything when it's convenient ..

 

[JoeB131]

It can be...egalitarianism amongst the Proles being a hallmark of Communism .

The more salient question being - can the Government create and regulate gender equality?

Sure it can.

The problem with inequality is that it often takes an effort to maintain.

take racial inequality. After slavery ended, they imposed a bunch of laws to keep blacks "in their place" - Segregation laws, Voter Suppression, miscegenation laws, sundown laws, and debt peonage.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Sure it can.

The problem with inequality is that it often takes an effort to maintain

How do white males communicate and coordinate their inequality initiatives?

In there a Signal Chst?

How do those same males who have daughters subjugate them with inequality ?

 

[Lockback]

Not be anti-male, otherwise stop blaming male's for everything when it's convenient ..

Brilliant.

 

[JoeB131]

How do white males communicate and coordinate their inequality initiatives?

In there a Signal Chst?

How do those same males who have daughters subjugate them with inequality ?

Lowered expectations. Not encouraging them to be more than their parents.

The thing about privilege is that it's often self-sustaining. You don't even have to openly contribute to the inequality to participate in it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Lowered expectations. Not encouraging them to be more than their parents.

Your experience is men lower the expectations of their daughters and don’t encourage them to be more than them?

Do you have a daughter?

In your uterus barren?

 

[JoeB131]

Your experience is men lower the expectations of their daughters and don’t encourage them to be more than them?

Do you have a daughter?

In your uterus barren?

Um, I'm a dude, so never mind.

I could go on and on about how society re-enforces gender roles without even noticing it. Every Christmas, when I bought toys for my nieces and nephews, I always notice the boys have the cooler toys (and when there were toy stores, they got more of a selection.)

 

[OODA_Loop]

Um, I'm a dude, so never mind.

I could go on and on about how society re-enforces gender roles without even noticing it. Every Christmas, when I bought toys for my nieces and nephews, I always notice the boys have the cooler toys (and when there were toy stores, they got more of a selection.)

Who are you to judge toys based on your gender conceptions?

Is the toy truck that is cool to you not as cool as the doll because of your bias?

You either full of shit or seriously flawed.

Or likely both.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Women are just as capable of being engineers as men, guy, and physical toil is just not as important as it used to be.

Prove it, prove one example of a society being built up and maintained by women.

Men and women are very similar, but also very different. If you look at any bell curve graph, men make up the bottom and top for a reason in pretty much all areas. Men are all the crazy rich CEO's, and they're also pretty much all of the homeless. Men are all the ones who take the big risks and get success, and also the ones who take big risks and die. Also, men are just mentally designed to be problem solvers and think bigger picture than women do, and that's biological and evolutionary psychology in action based on our bodies and how we evolved.

Notice, chess has no physical advantage, yet the men's world champion can dominate the women's world champion. The same goes for bowling, billiards, etc. Why? Because men are wired to be more.. for lack of better words.. obsessed, insane, etc. They will practice for hundreds of hours and sacrifice more. We know women don't desire to do this as much, all the data is there by the jobs they choose and the hours they work.

So you can say that all you want, but it's just an untrue feminist trope.

Yes, how dare those women want "power".

Well, it is sort of weird to have sexist movements that push further beyond egalitarianism. Women have nearly all of the true power in our society. We cater to them because they control like 85% of purchasing power, and women should be protected, and men should protect to fulfill our biological gender roles. However, women should have a little appreciation for what men do for them.. and modern feminism is actually convincing women they could pretty much do whatever they want and not get any consequences. They can go into any back alley and hold their own in a fight.. they can work in 100 degree heat repairing roofs... because, girl power? No. They don't, and they can't, and there's nothing wrong with that. You've got to stop lying to women, because the proof is in the pudding that when they try to act like high-octane men (working 60 hours, being aggressive, etc.), they generally aren't happy and don't get the same fulfillment. All of this is out there, you just stick to you slogans and bumper stickers from leftist NGO's.

Look, your terminal misogyny aside

ad hom fallacy

you are complaining that women are waiting to start families, without understanding WHY they are waiting to start families, and that has little to do with "Feminism". It has to do with 50 years of the wealthy dismantling the middle class in this country, where it takes you until your 30s to have the stability to afford kids, and by then, your biological clocks are running out.

More than one thing can be true at once. There are indeed new financial pressures that can make things difficult. However, social pressures don't change biology.. and our modern feminist culture is promoting and convincing young women in their early 20's to put off getting what would by the data likely make them the most happy (a well-off successful, attractive guy who wants to start a family) in order to "find themself", "focus on their career", etc... and we see it's biting them in the ass when they think it'll all be the same circumstances once they are 32 and "ready to settle down". It hurts all of society.. women, men, children, and rate of replacement

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Crepitus

most women are not feminists.

It depends on what you mean by "feminist". It's true that the term has become dirty because of the third and fourth wave feminist movements that promote anger and contempt towards men and a "patriarchy", and try to rally women together to become divisive against men.

However, there's tons of covert feminism lingering around conservative circles that is regularly getting called out.. like trad-con women pundits who say they want a masculine man to protect and provide for them but when asked what they will do in return for those protections they have nothing to say besides they'll just be themselves (a true feminist ideal).. and when you bring up the notion of the most triggering word to them.. "submission" (gasp!), suddenly it's not that simple, and their feminism pours out all over the floor. Women who want men to do X, Y, and Z.. but then feel like they don't have to do things for them or submit to that man are very much girl-power feminists, even if they make initial claims that might sound "traditional".

I mean, it takes 5 minutes or so for a police car full of men to get to your house. The Male Ax murderer usually doesn't waste much time.. it's good to have a capable, strong man in the home, and it should be appreciated too. We wouldn't want to rely on modern feminist claims that a woman can do anything a man can do, because that woman would likely get murdered by the male ax murderer...

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Lowered expectations. Not encouraging them to be more than their parents.

The thing about privilege is that it's often self-sustaining. You don't even have to openly contribute to the inequality to participate in it.

Ah yes.. the mythical religious argument where you go around trying to out-do all others pointing fingers about their privilege. Well, look at you. You're on a computer, you clearly have internet, you probably have an iPhone. Why don't you go ease your guilt and take care of your evil privilege and give some of your things away. You can even racially discriminate and seek out people of specific races to judge them by. That way you can cleanse yourself in a woke confession of sorts.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Um, I'm a dude, so never mind.

That might be, but I completely understand why he'd confuse your sex. You're very emotional in your attempts to debate and you can't stay on topic.

I could go on and on about how society re-enforces gender roles without even noticing it. Every Christmas, when I bought toys for my nieces and nephews, I always notice the boys have the cooler toys (and when there were toy stores, they got more of a selection.)

Gender roles are good for society, and they fit much more snuggly than trying to force-feed the opposite menu. You'll lose this one without a doubt. Even most woke liberal women who have children deep down like to treat their girls like daughters/princesses and with feminine care. It's good for the child. Your small clique wants to risk harming the child's psychology for no reason other than virtue-signaling a perverse ideology that was created in the 1950's by some really weird and creepy doctors.

Alfred Kinsey is like your Sigmund Freud.. (Hell, the NIH calls him a "Pioneer of Sex Research") and he stated that the only "abnormal sex" is no sex, and had no problems with adult-child sex.

The previous chapter concentrated on the work of one author, Alfred Kinsey, and his view of ‘children’s sexuality’, a view based not on children’s experiences of their sexuality but on adults’ experiences of their sexual interactions with children, using the one criterion which Kinsey found important and to which everything else became subservient: the orgasm. Kinsey wished to argue that children have a sexuality which is not harmed by being used for adult gratification, and thus he saw adults ‘manipulating’ children to orgasm as synonymous with children’s own authentic and autonomous sexuality. His views on childhood sexuality have continued to shape understandings of paedophilia and child sexual abuse up to the present day. In particular, Kinsey articulated a view of sex in which the only ‘abnormal’ sex is no sex and therefore, by extension, paedophilia does not exist as a pathology or even as a separate concept. Children — like animals, adults or wet dreams — are simply another ‘sexual outlet’ which may be used for orgasm. Kinsey also argued persuasively that ‘sex offenders’ do not exist and so should not be criminalized. Neither of his two encyclopaedic books on human sexuality deals with the reality of rape and nowhere is the concept of non-consensual sex addressed. According to Kinsey, therefore, it would be absurd to prosecute anyone for such an offence as ‘paedophilia’ or ‘child sexual abuse’, and indeed, his work has been used to argue for leniency and, more fundamentally, to revise legislation to make it less vigorous in prosecuting sexual offences.

Studies on Adult Sexual Contact with Children

The previous chapter concentrated on the work of one author, Alfred Kinsey, and his view of ‘children’s sexuality’, a view based not on children’s experiences of their sexuality but on adults’ experiences of their sexual interactions...

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This guy is foundational in trans and modern gender queer ideology. Just google "Alfred Kinsey trans". He was tragically a complete kook and a pervert, is supported and celebrated in the trans community, and you follow and support his teachings.