Zone1 Is Christianity just an outlier sect of Judaism?

[Lisa558]

Yes, I thought of it being Saturday after I posted.

Yeah, another message board I used to belong to had a rule that topics about Judiasm couldn’t be posted on Shabbat since the more observant Jews couldn’t participate. But I’m sure they’ll catch up tomorrow.

 

[Woodznutz]

Show us the texts from Hebrew scripture.

Won't help. The Jews have reinterpreted scripture to remove references to Jesus Christ from it, although the words are the same.

 

[Lisa558]

Judaism formally rejects Christianity.

Actually, there is nothing in the Torah that mentions Christianity since it didn’t even exist, nor do we discuss it in services or classes.

Jews simply reject the idea of Jesus as a deity, since it is antithetical to Judaism.

 

[Woodznutz]

Actually, there is nothing in the Torah that mentions Christianity since it didn’t even exist, nor do we discuss it in services or classes.

Jews simply reject the idea of Jesus as a deity, since it is antithetical to Judaism.

Jews reject the entire New Testament, thus Christianity itself.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jews simply reject the idea of Jesus as a deity, since it is antithetical to Judaism.

My point exactly.

 

[norwegen]

Jesus promoted Judaism.

Saul/Paul took things in a different direction and began an entirely different religion.

Jesus repudiated the cult of temple. He foretold its destruction, and in fact, vowed he would be the one to destroy it.

He promised a different kingdom.

 

[Lisa558]

Jews reject the entire New Testament, thus Christianity itself.

We pay the NT no mind. It’s simply not relevant to Judaism.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus repudiated the cult of temple. He foretold its destruction, and in fact, vowed he would be the one to destroy it.

He promised a different kingdom.

Yeah, uh-huh.

 

[Lisa558]

My point exactly.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. Two different religions - two different belief systems. To each his own.

 

[norwegen]

We pay the NT no mind. It’s simply not relevant to Judaism.

You did say Jesus promoted Judaism, correct?

 

[SweetSue92]

Jesus did not even start Christianity that was Paul (Saul). Did Jesus simply promote Judaism with a different flavor? Promote his own personal perspective which differed radically at times from Judaism practiced at the time (not keeping the Sabbath, eating what he wants etc.)? There is still debate as to Jesuses role, was he the son of G_d, a prophet or G_d himself? The more I delve deeper between both religions the more I am also confused. Are we worshiping a man, even if he were a prophet; but forgetting about G_d? Jews do not pray to Moses, but Christians pray to Jesus. Unless Jesus is Go_d himself....

Jesus is the Messiah, mentioned many times in the OT. He didn't "start" that--it is eternal.

 

[norwegen]

Yeah, uh-huh.

I'm glad we agree, because I like you.

 

[Lisa558]

You did say Jesus promoted Judaism, correct?

Yes, he did. It was Saul who took things in a different direction.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm glad we agree, because I like you.

How could you like me when you are so hostile to Jews, and I’m Jewish?

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus is the Messiah, mentioned many times in the OT. He didn't "start" that--it is eternal.

No he wasn’t. That’s just misinterpreting the Hebrew Bible. Our first tenet is to worship Gd and only Gd.

 

[norwegen]

Yes, he did. It was Saul who took things in a different direction.

No he didn't. Why are you referencing the NT? It means nothing to you.

 

[norwegen]

How could you like me when you are so hostile to Jews, and I’m Jewish?

I'm not hostile to Jews, whatever they are.

I agree with Christ's hostility to the tribal Jews of old, a different people.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, he did. It was Saul who took things in a different direction.

Jesus' focus was the Kingdom and His mission; Paul's was the church. It would be like if two people are dedicated to being great parents but one does the shopping, meal prep, cooking and reads the stories, and the other keeps up with homework and dr appts. Same goal; different functions--but not different directions.

 

[Lisa558]

No he didn't. Why are you referencing the NT? It means nothing to you.

I said the NT is totally irrelevant to Judaism, as a religion. Individual Jews know what’s in there.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm not hostile to Jews, whatever they are.

I agree with Christ's hostility to the tribal Jews of old, a different people.

What’s that mean - “Jews, whatever they are.” And it would be WHOEVER they are, not “whatever.” We’re not things.

We are descendants of Abraham, and of Moses. We abide by Gd’s commandments.