Zone1 Is Christianity just an outlier sect of Judaism?

[Woodznutz]

You mean the answers you refused to read, because you don't have a clue. There, corrected that for you. And, obviously you didn't read that link either.

I read it and almost fell off my chair laughing. Why can't you just summarize what you mean by OT Judaism? I'm sure I'll understand.

 

[DudleySmith]

I read it and almost fell off my chair laughing. Why can't you just summarize what you mean by OT Judaism? I'm sure I'll understand.

Why can't you read links and do any homework? Are you just superstitious and really think if you kiss some racist like Lisa's ass you will get extra cookies in Heaven or something?

 

[irosie91]

You bring them up constantly, especially when you run out of bullshit. You don't even know Jewish history.

The Peanut Gallery can note that 'Hillel' and 'Shammai' were Houses, i.e. schools of thought, something Rosie is oblivious to.

Houses of Hillel and Shammai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When people don't know basic history and would rather babble bullshit, they make stupid mistakes and give away the fact they're just trolling and hoping to censor or bury the real facts.

your JELLY BEAN education is showing -----HOUSE OF HILLEL ---simply refers to those people who
adhere to the concepts of Hillel and HOUSE OF SHAMMAI --simply refers to the people who
adhere to the concepts of Shammai-----you JUSTIFY THE OLD CONCEPT OF "goyische kopf" ---
to wit, "GENTILE HEAD"

 

[Clyde 154]

Jesus did not even start Christianity that was Paul (Saul). Did Jesus simply promote Judaism with a different flavor? Promote his own personal perspective which differed radically at times from Judaism practiced at the time (not keeping the Sabbath, eating what he wants etc.)? There is still debate as to Jesuses role, was he the son of G_d, a prophet or G_d himself? The more I delve deeper between both religions the more I am also confused. Are we worshiping a man, even if he were a prophet; but forgetting about G_d? Jews do not pray to Moses, but Christians pray to Jesus. Unless Jesus is Go_d himself....

Jesus was no Radical.......He was a pure conservative Orthodox Jew that actually followed the Law and the Prophets from birth to death. He was born of a woman, born under the law and sinned not. One of His last acts as a Jew was observing the Passover Sabbath Feast. When Jesus was preaching about the New Covenant aka, the Kingdom of God......the N.T. Testament church.....it was always in Future Tense.......until after His ascension into Heaven then Kingdom of God is addressed in the Present Tense thereafter each time the term is used beginning in Acts 2.

Jesus' entire ministry lasted but 3.5 years. During this time period, both He (Jesus) and John (the baptist) preached the kingdom of God is at hand (meaning near). Jesus began His ministry preaching and teaching about the coming kingdom of God/church as recorded in Mark 1:14-15, Mark declares that Jesus came to Galilee preaching the gospel that the kingdom of God would soon be here in fulfillment of Daniels prophecy from (Dan. 7:13-14)

It would take Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection to bring about the kingdom of God. As demonstrated in the Holy Scriptures before Acts 2 (when Peter preached the first gospel sermon in the kingdom of God....aka, the N.T. church) all Scriptural Verses refer to the kingdom of God as coming in the near future (not while Jesus was alive). Example Mark 9:1, the kingdom was to come to earth in that very generation of the 1st century.......as some would not taste of death until they witnessed the coming of the kingdom of God with power.

Acts 2 forward speaks of the kingdom of God in present tense.......not future tense, addressing the kingdom as already being in place..........where one must be conveyed into the kingdom of God according to the Apostles doctrine (Col. 1:13) one must be transferred into the kingdom.

 

[DudleySmith]

your JELLY BEAN education is showing -----HOUSE OF HILLEL ---simply refers to those people who
adhere to the concepts of Hillel and HOUSE OF SHAMMAI --simply refers to the people who
adhere to the concepts of Shammai-----you JUSTIFY THE OLD CONCEPT OF "goyische kopf" ---
to wit, "GENTILE HEAD"

lol and again you try to pretend you knew that all along, then throw in some bullshit nonsense. I guess you think nobody will remember you said 'Hillel was dead n stuff!' like a loon on crank.

 

[DudleySmith]

Jesus was no Radical.......He was a pure conservative Orthodox Jew that actually followed the Law and the Prophets from birth to death.

Fact.

 

[irosie91]

lol and again you try to pretend you knew that all along, then throw in some bullshit nonsense. I guess you think nobody will remember you said 'Hillel was dead n stuff!' like a loon on crank.

I said "Hillel was dead"? right----Hillel died at about the time that Jesus was PUTATIVELY
born? so? what is your point----Jesus quoted him and people are STILL quoting him---he
was LITERATE as were his friends----his discussions were recorded

 

[BreezeWood]

-Jesus quoted him

link ...

jesus knew nothing of hillel, never mentioned their name.

 

[irosie91]

link ...

jesus knew nothing of hillel, never mentioned their name.

utterly wrong----Jesus quoted Hillel incessantly ---IF THE WRITINGS OF THE NT have
any value AT ALL

 

[irosie91]

lol and again you try to pretend you knew that all along, then throw in some bullshit nonsense. I guess you think nobody will remember you said 'Hillel was dead n stuff!' like a loon on crank.

Nobody will remember that Hillel died in Jerusalem at about the time jesus is SAID to have
been born???? it is history

 

[kjw47]

Jesus did not even start Christianity that was Paul (Saul). Did Jesus simply promote Judaism with a different flavor? Promote his own personal perspective which differed radically at times from Judaism practiced at the time (not keeping the Sabbath, eating what he wants etc.)? There is still debate as to Jesuses role, was he the son of G_d, a prophet or G_d himself? The more I delve deeper between both religions the more I am also confused. Are we worshiping a man, even if he were a prophet; but forgetting about G_d? Jews do not pray to Moses, but Christians pray to Jesus. Unless Jesus is Go_d himself....

Actually Acts 24:5 shows that new religion was a spearhead of the sect of the Nazarene( Jesus) so yes Jesus did start a new religion. Paul established congregations of that new religion.
The Israelite religion-NEVER served a trinity God-thus most religions claiming to be christian are false religions serving a non existent trinity who is satan posing as that God, he poses as all false gods in his false religions( babylon the great)-All the FACTS prove it truth.

 

[DudleySmith]

Paul established congregations of that new religion.

Christians still taught from the synagogues up until 90 A.D. or so.

Heresy​

Further information: Heresy in Judaism

Heresy is "a method of converting difference into exclusion",[21][o] The emergence of a concept of heresy in Judaism coincides roughly with the development in Christianity of the same concept, hairesis (αἵρεσις) – a word that is often translated as "sect".[22][p] In both instances it assumed a pejorative sense. Minim initially were those within the fold halakhically (legally), perhaps disputative Jewish insiders like the Pharisees and Sadducees,[23] who disagreed with broader rabbinical opinions on doctrine,[19] although probably most Jews in this period were not at all "rabbinical".[q] Whatever happened at Yavne, where tradition assigns the composition of the prayer, many scholars, among them Shaye J. D. Cohen, hold that thereafter, the sectarianism of Jewish communities prior to 70 CE was buried, as minim were threshed out: a growing rabbinical "grand coalition" would have generated a non-sectarian environment with no organized internal challenges, in contrast to the heated sectarian vexations of early Christianity.[24][25][r] The process of defining heresy in both Judaism and Christianity nonetheless, it has been argued, is virtually identical in having developed in both along similar lines.[26]Birkat haMinim - Wikipedia


The more racist Jews prayed for the deaths of Christians, and still do, and by Bar Kokhba's Revolt they were massacring Christians and Samaritans along with fighting the Romans. After their defeat they invented rabbinical Judaism, at Jamnia. Amazing how little of their own history Christians and people claiming to be Jews here know, when it is easily available.

Judaism - Religious rites and customs in Palestine: the Temple and the synagogues | Britannica

Judaism - Religious rites and customs in Palestine: the Temple and the synagogues: Until its destruction in 70 ce, the most important religious institution of the Jews was the Temple in Jerusalem (the Second Temple, erected 538–516 bce). Although services were interrupted for three years by...

www.britannica.com

Among the different Judaisms in antiquity, rabbinic Judaism held that at Mount Sinai God revealed the Torah to Moses in two media, the Written and the Oral Torah. The rabbis claimed they possessed the memorized or Oral Torah. Classical rabbinic Judaism is separated into different strata: tannaitic (until 200 CE), amoraic (200–500 CE), and saboraic (500 CE–7th century). The first stage of formative rabbinic Judaism is represented by the Mishnah, a law code that came to closure c. 200 CE, after the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 70 CE by the Romans and the suppression of the Bar Kokhba uprising of 132–135 CE. Rabbinic Judaism interpreted the Torah, often in opposition to the priestly tradition, which was committed to the written tradition and the sacrificial cult of the Temple. However, at the end of the formative period, rabbinic Judaism synthesized the interpretive, messianic, and priestly traditions. Rabbinic Judaism produced many different texts, ranging from the Mishnah and Tosefta to Midrashic texts and the two Talmuds. Rabbinic Judaism continued to flourish in the Middle Ages in the diaspora. Today it represents “normative” Judaism, the Jewish religious expression of a substantial portion of the worldwide Jewish community.

Rabbinic Judaism

"Rabbinic Judaism" published on by null.

www.oxfordbibliographies.com

Jesus followed the priestly tradition, obviously, the Mosaic tradition of the written Torah. The 'Oral Torah' is a fraud.

 

[DudleySmith]

Nobody will remember that Hillel died in Jerusalem at about the time jesus is SAID to have
been born???? it is history

Keep trying to dissemble and pretend you did you know stuff.

 

[rosends]

Christians still taught from the synagogues up until 90 A.D. or so.

Heresy​

Further information: Heresy in Judaism

Heresy is "a method of converting difference into exclusion",[21][o] The emergence of a concept of heresy in Judaism coincides roughly with the development in Christianity of the same concept, hairesis (αἵρεσις) – a word that is often translated as "sect".[22][p] In both instances it assumed a pejorative sense. Minim initially were those within the fold halakhically (legally), perhaps disputative Jewish insiders like the Pharisees and Sadducees,[23] who disagreed with broader rabbinical opinions on doctrine,[19] although probably most Jews in this period were not at all "rabbinical".[q] Whatever happened at Yavne, where tradition assigns the composition of the prayer, many scholars, among them Shaye J. D. Cohen, hold that thereafter, the sectarianism of Jewish communities prior to 70 CE was buried, as minim were threshed out: a growing rabbinical "grand coalition" would have generated a non-sectarian environment with no organized internal challenges, in contrast to the heated sectarian vexations of early Christianity.[24][25][r] The process of defining heresy in both Judaism and Christianity nonetheless, it has been argued, is virtually identical in having developed in both along similar lines.[26]Birkat haMinim - Wikipedia


The more racist Jews prayed for the deaths of Christians, and still do, and by Bar Kokhba's Revolt they were massacring Christians and Samaritans along with fighting the Romans. After their defeat they invented rabbinical Judaism, at Jamnia. Amazing how little of their own history Christians and people claiming to be Jews here know, when it is easily available.

Judaism - Religious rites and customs in Palestine: the Temple and the synagogues | Britannica

Judaism - Religious rites and customs in Palestine: the Temple and the synagogues: Until its destruction in 70 ce, the most important religious institution of the Jews was the Temple in Jerusalem (the Second Temple, erected 538–516 bce). Although services were interrupted for three years by...

www.britannica.com

Among the different Judaisms in antiquity, rabbinic Judaism held that at Mount Sinai God revealed the Torah to Moses in two media, the Written and the Oral Torah. The rabbis claimed they possessed the memorized or Oral Torah. Classical rabbinic Judaism is separated into different strata: tannaitic (until 200 CE), amoraic (200–500 CE), and saboraic (500 CE–7th century). The first stage of formative rabbinic Judaism is represented by the Mishnah, a law code that came to closure c. 200 CE, after the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 70 CE by the Romans and the suppression of the Bar Kokhba uprising of 132–135 CE. Rabbinic Judaism interpreted the Torah, often in opposition to the priestly tradition, which was committed to the written tradition and the sacrificial cult of the Temple. However, at the end of the formative period, rabbinic Judaism synthesized the interpretive, messianic, and priestly traditions. Rabbinic Judaism produced many different texts, ranging from the Mishnah and Tosefta to Midrashic texts and the two Talmuds. Rabbinic Judaism continued to flourish in the Middle Ages in the diaspora. Today it represents “normative” Judaism, the Jewish religious expression of a substantial portion of the worldwide Jewish community.

Rabbinic Judaism

"Rabbinic Judaism" published on by null.

www.oxfordbibliographies.com

Jesus followed the priestly tradition, obviously, the Mosaic tradition of the written Torah. The 'Oral Torah' is a fraud.

Please produce proof that Jews pray for the death of Christians. Thank you.

 

[DudleySmith]

Please produce proof that Jews pray for the death of Christians. Thank you.

Already have. You didn't read it then, and you won't now, same as most posters in this thread.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why can't you read links and do any homework? Are you just superstitious and really think if you kiss some racist like Lisa's ass you will get extra cookies in Heaven or something?

Most articles on Judaism conflate it with the religion of the Israelites. Very confusing on its face. So again the question, what is OT Judaism?

One statement had Abraham the founder of the Hebrews (Eber was the founder of the Hebrews).

 

[DudleySmith]

Most articles on Judaism conflate it with the religion of the Israelites. Very confusing on its face. So again the question, what is OT Judaism?

One statement had Abraham the founder of the Hebrews (Eber was the founder of the Hebrews).

You can't read well.

 

[Woodznutz]

You can't read well.

The Jews believe that Abraham was the founder of Judaism. Do you agree with this?

 

[rosends]

Already have. You didn't read it then, and you won't now, same as most posters in this thread.

You actually never did. And you won't now because you can't.

 

[BreezeWood]

utterly wrong----Jesus quoted Hillel incessantly ---IF THE WRITINGS OF THE NT have
any value AT ALL

your claiming they have value ... the forgeries and fallacies of the c-bible. than liberation theology, self determination jesus did teach and died for.

no, jesus never quoted hillel and knew noting about him nor are they mentioned in the c-bible.

the philosophies are coincidental throughout as a global platform, just not believed or made manifest by the criminals then or the present time by most if any religious congregations of all three desert religions in particular.