Is a retroactive, dubiously legal justification for extra legal killings a thing?

[g5000]

So..just dispense with the justice system and go straight for wild west justice eh?

Nope.

If there was justice, they would all be sitting in prison for the rest of their lives right now.

Let me get your head straight, son.

If someone shot Putin, I would not shed a tear. If someone shot the Sacklers, I would not shed a tear. If this was 1939 and someone shot Hitler, I would not shed a tear.

You see, we have a two-tier justice system in America. If you are billionaire-rich fromm ill-gotten gains, you will never feel the cold steel of handcuffs, no matter what crimes you commit.

If you throw a sandwich at some Gestapo goons, Dear Leader will stomp you under his jackboots.

We have brought cartel members in other countries to justice here in the US before. Like I said, I played a small part in bringing one of them here from Colombia.

If we can go ALLLLLL the way to Colombia to haul a ******* criminal back here, we surely could have hauled the Sacklers into criminal court.

And you should be asking yourself why that is, and why billionaire club member Donald Trump did not do that.


Do you know what "crime" the Sacklers were charged with?

NOTHING.

Their corporation was charged though. Because corporations are people, too, doncha know. We just haven't figured out how to send and LLC to prison.


Now get this.

Get this.

Do you know what federal crime the company which created the opioid epidemic was charged with?

You're not going to believe me.

Purdue was charged with...

...DECEPTIVE MARKETING.


Why didn't Trump blow them up like he did that boat?

Hmmm...

Billionaires stick together. That's why. Even if it kills YOU.

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Im not absolving their role in their deceptive practices, but it sounds like youre mostly referring to Purdue and oxycontin in the 90s.

No. Wrong.

Purdue STARTED in the 90s, and continued for DECADES.

You don't create an opioid epidemic this big overnight. It literally takes decades.

Yeah and trump executed a boat of alleged drug smugglers and you all called him a terrorist.

I did not call him a terrorist. That's a lie.

He did not observe due process, but when has he ever, really?

Yet you seem to favor shooting pharma CEOs in the head.

I just think if it is okay to blow up a boatload of drug smugglers, then maybe the creators of this problem deserve the same.

Go ahead and execute the sacklers, we will still have a problem of drugs coming into the country that needs to be dealt with.

You know how to deal with it? Trump doesn't, obviously.

You don't tell homeless people who are mostly mentally ill and drug addicts to get off the street yet not provide them a place to go.

You don't defund treatment centers and mental hospitals.

You don't go on Fox News and say the homeless should all be executed by lethal injection. Where is your moral outrage there? You shed tears for the monsters who created this mess, yet live in a MAGA world where one of your propagandists feels comfortable enough to suggest executing the homeless.

Even if you executed every big pharmacy CEO, you still have drug cartels pushing the stuff across the border.

The answer is harm reduction and treatment centers. As much as it takes. We've had drug epidemics before and that is how we got them under control.

Trump prefers to just blow shit up and execute the symptoms rather than treat the disease.

Because he is an idiot. Always an idiot in all things.

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[g5000]

Legalize it. That's the best way to combat the flow of illegal drugs.

I am becoming more and more amenable to this idea.

.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Legalize it. That's the best way to combat the flow of illegal drugs.

Yeah, thats not happening. So, we need another plan. I would think stopping it at the source would be the best plan of action.

Besides, legalizing drugs would have a massive onslaught repercussion. I'm not sure how much it would do to stem drug usage. Sure, it would eliminate penalties for using drugs. But people would still use them only now they'd be able to get them legally and probably manufactured, within the United States.

 

[Muhammed]

Yeah, thats not happening. So, we need another plan. I would think stopping it at the source would be the best plan of action.

Besides, legalizing drugs would have a massive onslaught repercussion. I'm not sure how much it would do to stem drug usage. Sure, it would eliminate penalties for using drugs. But people would still use them only now they'd be able to get them legally and probably manufactured, within the United States.

And regulated so that when somebody takes an oxycodone tablet, they don't die from a fentanyl overdose.

 

[ThisIsMe]

And regulated so that when somebody takes an oxycodone tablet, they don't die from a fentanyl overdose.

Sure regulating It would make it safer, but I don't think the answer to drug problem is telling eveeybody, hey, you can do drugs freely now!

 

[talksalot]

Well, executing the Big Pharma executives who created the opioid epidemic would have been a great start.

Not joking.

Why do people like Trump and Big Pharma criminals just get a fine instead of their just desserts?

If you are rich and steal two million dollars from cancer kids and other worthy causes, you pay a fine. If you are poor and throw a sandwich at an ICE agent, they send 20 cowardly goons in full battle gear to arrest you and take you to criminal court.

The cartels are entrepreneurs. American executives created the demand. The cartels are simply stepping into the vacuum.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be taken to court. They should.

And they should have to pay a fine like the Sacklers.

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Don't forget the cartels are RICH too. That should allow you to justify their executions.

 

[Muhammed]

Sure regulating It would make it safer, but I don't think the answer to drug problem is telling eveeybody, hey, you can do drugs freely now!

The problem is the threat to public safety. Of course making it safer is the answer.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told​

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251002&instance_id=163691&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207041&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Memo to Congress.........."Oh, by the way, those dead Venezuelans I ordered to be killed without any evidence that's been presented to you or anyone else, it's okay cuz I unilaterally decided it's okay. Pay no attention to this guy."

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack.

Any active JAG or IG of a similar opinion will just be fired so no worries.

Where is the due process when some dumb teenager pops a pill and dies of fentanyl poisoning ?

 

[whitehall]

Ineffectual whataboutism noted.

Or a logical comparison of attitudes and ideologies based on political loyalty. Killing American citizens even in foreign countries isn't the same as killing drug runners on the high seas

 

[ThisIsMe]

The problem is the threat to public safety. Of course making it safer is the answer.

Even safe drugs will destroy lives.

 

[Moonglow]

The left never complained when Hussein Obama ordered the execution by drone of an American citizen Anwar Awlaki , an Islamic cleric born in New Mexico, and his son in Yemen bout 15 years ago

Yes, a guy who was at war with his Motherland..Died because he was at war with his Motherland...Do you always defend known terrorists?

 

[Moonglow]

Even safe drugs will destroy lives.

Evidently, you are not a senior.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The problem is the threat to public safety. Of course making it safer is the answer.

Explain please...

 

[Moonglow]

Or a logical comparison of attitudes and ideologies based on political loyalty. Killing American citizens even in foreign countries isn't the same as killing drug runners on the high seas

Well duh...The drug runners have not blown up the Twin Towers...

 

[Moonglow]

And you know they will never legalize hard narcotics, so, let's skip to the next step

Then make yer own.

 

[BackAgain]

Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told​

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251002&instance_id=163691&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207041&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Memo to Congress.........."Oh, by the way, those dead Venezuelans I ordered to be killed without any evidence that's been presented to you or anyone else, it's okay cuz I unilaterally decided it's okay. Pay no attention to this guy."

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack.

Any active JAG or IG of a similar opinion will just be fired so no worries.

I suppose the key question ^ here is “what is the factual basis for the Presidential ‘determination’ ?”

I haven’t looked, yet.

An interesting question: but it likely involves some intel (classified as to both substance and sources) to which we may not get much access.

 

[Muhammed]

Explain please...

When you go to a pharmacy and buy some 5mg oxycodone tablets, you know that each tab has 5mg of oxycodone.

When you buy oxycodone tabs on the black market, you don't know what they contain. Sometimes it's fentanyl and you die.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told​

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251002&instance_id=163691&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207041&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Memo to Congress.........."Oh, by the way, those dead Venezuelans I ordered to be killed without any evidence that's been presented to you or anyone else, it's okay cuz I unilaterally decided it's okay. Pay no attention to this guy."

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack.

Any active JAG or IG of a similar opinion will just be fired so no worries.

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities”

Google Cartel kills US citizen moron.It's gotten so bad with you lunatics you are literally more concerned about drug deal shit stains than US citizens all because you idiot's don't like Trump. I don't care for the man either but I would rather see every Cartel member in the world dead than one more US citizen suffer their ilk.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And you know they will never legalize hard narcotics, so, let's skip to the next step

They legalized Covid vaxx and that's killed more people than Heroin

 

[Moonglow]

When you go to a pharmacy and buy some 5mg oxycodone tablets, you know that each tab has 5mg of oxycodone.

When you buy oxycodone tabs on the black market, you don't know what they contain. Sometimes it's fentanyl and you die.

Only if they want you to die.