Is a retroactive, dubiously legal justification for extra legal killings a thing?

[Moonglow]

True. Only the people in cities are taxes much more than in those rural areas.

They have moar public services than rural folks.

 

[Dekster]

Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told​

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251002&instance_id=163691&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207041&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Memo to Congress.........."Oh, by the way, those dead Venezuelans I ordered to be killed without any evidence that's been presented to you or anyone else, it's okay cuz I unilaterally decided it's okay. Pay no attention to this guy."

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack.

Any active JAG or IG of a similar opinion will just be fired so no worries.

Well even an strongly worded unanimous SCOTUS ruling won't undead them, so I guess not much can be done. The SCOTUS, however, has more or less made Trump exempt from criminal prosecutions for official acts, and ordering this was clearly an official act.

 

[Muhammed]

Calm down. I know you are nervous about that bomb attached to your head but consider that the guy with a law degree, a professional in his field of expertise, knows more about this than an ignorant grunt like you.

And obviously here were also professionals with law degrees who approved the operation.

I considered the opinion of the guy you cited and found it flawe

You simply lack the critical thinking skills necessary to read what he said

• 
  
• The tax cuts for the rich are funded by cuts to low income benefits.

Tax cuts don't cost anything. Not a ******* penny.

They cost nothing and they stimulate the economy.

 

[g5000]

Tax cuts don't cost anything. Not a ******* penny.

They cost nothing and they stimulate the economy.

Let's say I run a government and the cost of running the government costs 100 dollars, and I collect 100 dollars from my citizens.

Then one day, I get a crazy idea. I'm going to give my citizens a tax cut and only collect 50 dollars from them. This means I will have to borrow 50 dollars from China and other countries to keep my government running.

Guess what, my friend. Government debt does NOT stimulate the economy.

Also, there is something our politicians rely on you being ignorant about. They exploit your ignorance to the max.

What you don't know, but they do, is that the biggest part of our GDP is government spending.

So you know how they artificially juice our GDP? They SPEND MOAR AND MOAR AND MOAR.

The next time you think you are being brilliant by saying the government can give tax cuts and spend less, you have no clue how ignorant you are.

Not only do tax cuts add to our debt, they drag down our economy, and so the government has to borrow and spend even more just because you don't want to carry your share of the load.

"Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it." That's our national credo today. And don't kid yourself it's only the Left.

Every deduction, credit, and exemption you take advantage of has to be offset by raising taxes on everyone else or by heavy borrowing by the government. You are just as much a leech as any mythical welfare queen.

.

 

[berg80]

And obviously here were also professionals with law degrees who approved the operation.

But those folks are in the regime because they will tell trump yes. If there was a chance they'd tell trump, "Sir, you can't do that," they wouldn't be part of the regime.

Article 2 powers don't give the orange piece of shit the power to decide what his powers include.

 

[g5000]

I can just see the Venezuelan drug lord now, weeping into this pillow.

"Gosh darn it. Trump got me. I'm quitting the drug business and I'm going to start selling Amway products."




Trump probably fantasizes along these lines.

.

 

[marvin martian]

Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told​

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251002&instance_id=163691&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207041&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Memo to Congress.........."Oh, by the way, those dead Venezuelans I ordered to be killed without any evidence that's been presented to you or anyone else, it's okay cuz I unilaterally decided it's okay. Pay no attention to this guy."

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack.

Any active JAG or IG of a similar opinion will just be fired so no worries.

It was definitely a thing when Obama executed American citizens in foreign countries using drones.

You cheered, I'm sure.

 

[Nostra]

The guy who took up arms against his own nation, yeah, I remember what a traitor he was. Yous guys loved him and are always trying to defend him..

Can you link us up to his trial and conviction, Trollglow?

 

[marvin martian]

I can just see the Venezuelan drug lord now, weeping into this pillow.

"Gosh darn it. Trump got me. I'm quitting the drug business and I'm going to start selling Amway products."




Trump probably fantasizes along these lines.

.

The cartels appreciate your support, I'm sure.

 

[Moonglow]

Can you link us up to his trial and conviction, Trollglow?

They did not need one. The guy was killed along with other terrorists you evidently support.

 

[Nostra]

They did not need one. The guy was killed along with other terrorists you evidently support.

So, because Barry Hussein assassinated an American overseas we don't need trials.

Got it.

 

[Nostra]

They did not need one. The guy was killed along with other terrorists you evidently support.

A suspected terrorist was killed along with his kid.

Four U.S. citizens killed in Obama drone strikes, but 3 were not intended targets​

As LaRouche Democrat and U.S. Senate candidate Kesha Rogers of Texas calls for the impeachment of Democratic President Barack Obama, she lists among her reasons the "assassination" of U.S. citizens.

Rogers says on her campaign website that Obama violated the Fifth Amendment "with the avowed assassination of at least four American citizens, Anwar Al-Awlaki, his 16-year-old son, Samir Khan, and Jude Mohammed, without benefit of due process of law. Indeed, the death warrants against these individuals were effectively signed in secret, in a committee which is overseen directly by the president."

 

[ThisIsMe]

You base that on what?

I mean, the Google machine looks at a lot of various sources, and it gathers data. So you would have to consult the google machine to figure out based on what they used

 

[Lesh]

I mean, the Google machine looks at a lot of various sources, and it gathers data. So you would have to consult the google machine to figure out based on what they used

So you got nuffin

 

[ColonelAngus]

Is this like a partial birth abortion in California?

Roe V Wade repeal have women in blue states MORE time to kill their babies.

Are those extra legal killings like Trump is doing to drug runner who bring poison to America to murder US CITIZENS?

 

[ThisIsMe]

So you got nuffin

No, that's exactly the opposite of what I just said

 

[Mac-7]

Wanting to get back at drug smugglers because of the awful things illegal drugs do to people is not the same as having a legal justification for killing them.........so far without evidence.

BTW, even if the regime had provided evidence the people trump had killed were in fact smugglers there is still no legal justification for executing them in boats.

After 50 years of the lib democrat pussification of the war on drugs there are more addicts than ever before

Your approach has failed

 

[berg80]

It was definitely a thing when Obama executed American citizens in foreign countries using drones.

You cheered, I'm sure.

Due to the rose colored, cult glasses you wear I'm sure you are okay with trump claiming, unilaterally, authority for these killings. A reply minus the specious whataboutism, including you assuming you know what I think, would be appreciated.

U.S. Military Attacked Boat Off Venezuela, Killing Four Men, Hegseth Says​

The U.S. military killed four men aboard a boat in international waters near Venezuela, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced on Friday, in the first such strike since the Trump administration told Congress that the United States was engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with Latin American cartels.

In his posting, Mr. Hegseth accused the four dead men of having been smuggling narcotics, without offering evidence. He also asserted that they were “affiliated” with one of the cartels and gangs that the Trump administration has designated as foreign terrorist organizations, but did not specify which.

The strike was the fourth known attack by the U.S. military on boats in the Caribbean Sea dating back to Sept. 2. In all, the military has now summarily killed 21 people it says were smuggling drugs as if they were not criminal suspects but enemy soldiers in a war zone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/03/us/politics/hegseth-military-boat-venezuela.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251003&instance_id=163778&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207114&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Any thoughts as to why the regime hasn't provided any evidence or provided a defensible legal rationale for the killings other than the orange piece of shit claiming he pretty much has the right to do anything he pleases.

 

[marvin martian]

Due to the rose colored, cult glasses you wear I'm sure you are okay with trump claiming, unilaterally, authority for these killings. A reply minus the specious whataboutism, including you assuming you know what I think, would be appreciated.

U.S. Military Attacked Boat Off Venezuela, Killing Four Men, Hegseth Says​

The U.S. military killed four men aboard a boat in international waters near Venezuela, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced on Friday, in the first such strike since the Trump administration told Congress that the United States was engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with Latin American cartels.

In his posting, Mr. Hegseth accused the four dead men of having been smuggling narcotics, without offering evidence. He also asserted that they were “affiliated” with one of the cartels and gangs that the Trump administration has designated as foreign terrorist organizations, but did not specify which.

The strike was the fourth known attack by the U.S. military on boats in the Caribbean Sea dating back to Sept. 2. In all, the military has now summarily killed 21 people it says were smuggling drugs as if they were not criminal suspects but enemy soldiers in a war zone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/03/us/politics/hegseth-military-boat-venezuela.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20251003&instance_id=163778&nl=breaking-news&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=207114&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Any thoughts as to why the regime hasn't provided any evidence or provided a defensible legal rationale for the killings other than the orange piece of shit claiming he pretty much has the right to do anything he pleases.

Killing foreign terrorists in the act of committing terrorism is what we do. Always have.

The brown piece of shit killed American citizens. You cheered.

 

[Nostra]

A suspected terrorist was killed along with his kid.

Four U.S. citizens killed in Obama drone strikes, but 3 were not intended targets​

As LaRouche Democrat and U.S. Senate candidate Kesha Rogers of Texas calls for the impeachment of Democratic President Barack Obama, she lists among her reasons the "assassination" of U.S. citizens.

Rogers says on her campaign website that Obama violated the Fifth Amendment "with the avowed assassination of at least four American citizens, Anwar Al-Awlaki, his 16-year-old son, Samir Khan, and Jude Mohammed, without benefit of due process of law. Indeed, the death warrants against these individuals were effectively signed in secret, in a committee which is overseen directly by the president."

Moonglow sure is easy to run out of a thread.

Just beat him about the head and neck with facts and reality. He can't handle it.