Iran: Playtime is Over.

[BS Filter]

We are human beings. When we are hungry - we eat. When we are thirsty - we drink. When we are attacked - we fight back.

Is Israel allowed to fight back when attacked?

 

[Zavulon]

Is Israel allowed to fight back when attacked?

Of course. Everything is allowed, but not everything is useful.

 

[Zavulon]

When we are enforcing sanctions no one will interfere.

Wishful thinking.

Median income is median income. Houses require significant income.

In America. In Russia, say, there is no such thing as "homeless veterans".

Russia and China have no poor people?

Of course we have. But our "poor" are not equal to your "poor". How much money you need in America to send a child in a school without drug-dealers, without LGBT-propaganda, with good military training and two or three foreign languages?

In that movie "Attraction" it looks like all Russians live in apartment complexes, except maybe the super wealthy?

It's Northern Chertanovo. Very poor part of Moscow. Something like your ghetto.

Not "virtual dollars", real dollars. I'd rather live in a wealthy country than a poor country.

It depends. As a son of a Jew, I have right to get Israel's citizenship, and with Israel's citizenship I could live in the USA or other "wealthy" country. I thought about it (and continue to think). But I still prefer Russia with better standards of living. Too many of friends of mine (even smart guys with good working skills) became real bums in the USA and some other countries.

 

[BS Filter]

Of course. Everything is allowed, but not everything is useful.

Why isn't fighting back when attacked isn't useful for Israel?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wishful thinking.

In America. In Russia, say, there is no such thing as "homeless veterans".


Of course we have. But our "poor" are not equal to your "poor". How much money you need in America to send a child in a school without drug-dealers, without LGBT-propaganda, with good military training and two or three foreign languages?


It's Northern Chertanovo. Very poor part of Moscow. Something like your ghetto.


It depends. As a son of a Jew, I have right to get Israel's citizenship, and with Israel's citizenship I could live in the USA or other "wealthy" country. I thought about it (and continue to think). But I still prefer Russia with better standards of living. Too many of friends of mine (even smart guys with good working skills) became real bums in the USA and some other countries.

First off, you are a Jew is your mother was a Jew but for allyah you are only a Jew if your mother was Jewish or you converted. Even if you wee Jewish, allyah is an opportunity, not a right. Even if you were a rabbi who can trace your roots back to ancient times, if you are considered an undesirable person, you will not have a right to return.

 

[toobfreak]

There will be no negotiations.

They are negotiating right now.

 

[toobfreak]

Irainians also used this time for resupply.

Resuppliers will pay.

Brand new Russian Strela-3 MANPAD was spotted in Iran.

A cute toy. Effective only for low, slow flying objects like helicopters. Cannot even reach 2 miles in the air.

 

[kyzr]

Wishful thinking.

So far only Italy has put up ships to help the US open Hormuz. No one is helping Iran.

In America. In Russia, say, there is no such thing as "homeless veterans".

We had 400,000 Americans die from drug overdoses during Biden's term.
Trump will cut that number in half, if not lower.
The democrat's drug culture makes too many people "unemployable".
I donate to "T2T" to help vets with disabilities.

Of course we have. But our "poor" are not equal to your "poor". How much money you need in America to send a child in a school without drug-dealers, without LGBT-propaganda, with good military training and two or three foreign languages?

My daughter pays $15,000 a year to end her kid to a private grade school.
Private or parochial high schools can cost $20,000 a year if not more.
Private military academies are about the same.

It's Northern Chertanovo. Very poor part of Moscow. Something like your ghetto.

Ok, but that's where the top general lived.

It depends. As a son of a Jew, I have right to get Israel's citizenship, and with Israel's citizenship I could live in the USA or other "wealthy" country. I thought about it (and continue to think). But I still prefer Russia with better standards of living. Too many of friends of mine (even smart guys with good working skills) became real bums in the USA and some other countries.

In Britain they have a "class system", in India they have a "Caste system", here in the US we all have "equality" but democrats want "equity". You can live however you want if you have the money to pay for it.

 

[Zavulon]

Why isn't fighting back when attacked isn't useful for Israel?

There are different ways to start conflicts, settle conflicts, and there are different ways of fighting back or organising life after settling conflict.

Oversimplified, basically there are two main ways of expansion - genocidal, more or less it what was used in the Northern America - you kill indigenous people, push them into reservations, take their land and settle there your own genetical offsprings, and there is assimilation way - when you conquer the land, but give to indigenous people equal rights, teach them and make from them new entity. Something that happened in Southern America - modern Mexicans, Brazilians, Venezuelans are genetically descendants of local Indians. Also, there is a way of adaptation and infiltration (like what was used by Normans, Jews or Russians, in certain circumstances), when you change yourself to live in already existed society. American or Russian Jews are, first of all, Americans or Russians, and only then - Jews, as well as Scandinavians who conqured Slavic or Roman states, soon became Slavic or Roman people.

Of course, in the real life we use all three approaches in different combinations. There were acts of genocide in Southern America, there were causes of assimilation in Northern America, and of course, European colonists in both have been studying from local people.

Of course, it's up to people of Israel what kind of communication with other people they want to use, but it is up to other countries what kind of Israelies they want to support (or don't want support anybody) - genociders, assimilators or infiltrators.

Significant part of Israel's society, like my cousin from Kherson, doesn't like the way Bibi leads Israel. They believe that this way leads Israel in abyss. Talking about solving the problem with terrorists, they see two pragmatic ways - help Palestinians to build their own state and then either sign peace with them, either fight at regular way as two proper states do. Another way - is to annex lands of Gaza, but give local people equal rights and equal responsibilities, and kill terrorists only, saving peaceful people. Something like Russia did with Chechnya. Change Israel from religious retarded shithole in some kind of democratic, modern Federation, with Jewish and Arabic oblasts, but with all religion equally distant from the central government. It works in America, it works in Russia, it could work in Middle East, too.

 

[Zavulon]

They are negotiating right now.

Do you remember those ghosts, Biden have been shaking hands with? Looks like, Trump is negotiating with them.
Iranian officials denie that they are negotiating with Americans. Everyone (in Iran) know, that it's totally useless waste of time.

 

[BS Filter]

There are different ways to start conflicts, settle conflicts, and there are different ways of fighting back or organising life after settling conflict.

Oversimplified, basically there are two main ways of expansion - genocidal, more or less it what was used in the Northern America - you kill indigenous people, push them into reservations, take their land and settle there your own genetical offsprings, and there is assimilation way - when you conquer the land, but give to indigenous people equal rights, teach them and make from them new entity. Something that happened in Southern America - modern Mexicans, Brazilians, Venezuelans are genetically descendants of local Indians. Also, there is a way of adaptation and infiltration (like what was used by Normans, Jews or Russians, in certain circumstances), when you change yourself to live in already existed society. American or Russian Jews are, first of all, Americans or Russians, and only then - Jews, as well as Scandinavians who conqured Slavic or Roman states, soon became Slavic or Roman people.

Of course, in the real life we use all three approaches in different combinations. There were acts of genocide in Southern America, there were causes of assimilation in Northern America, and of course, European colonists in both have been studying from local people.

Of course, it's up to people of Israel what kind of communication with other people they want to use, but it is up to other countries what kind of Israelies they want to support (or don't want support anybody) - genociders, assimilators or infiltrators.

Significant part of Israel's society, like my cousin from Kherson, doesn't like the way Bibi leads Israel. They believe that this way leads Israel in abyss. Talking about solving the problem with terrorists, they see two pragmatic ways - help Palestinians to build their own state and then either sign peace with them, either fight at regular way as two proper states do. Another way - is to annex lands of Gaza, but give local people equal rights and equal responsibilities, and kill terrorists only, saving peaceful people. Something like Russia did with Chechnya. Change Israel from religious retarded shithole in some kind of democratic, modern Federation, with Jewish and Arabic oblasts, but with all religion equally distant from the central government. It works in America, it works in Russia, it could work in Middle East, too.

Israel isn't a shithole. Israel is one of the most advanced nations on the planet. The only evil religion I see is Islam.

 

[BS Filter]

Do you remember those ghosts, Biden have been shaking hands with? Looks like, Trump is negotiating with them.
Iranian officials denie that they are negotiating with Americans. Everyone (in Iran) know, that it's totally useless waste of time.

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Only a fool would believe anything coming out of Iran.

The only aggression in the Middle East is from Iran. Ask their neighbors.

 

[toobfreak]

Iranian officials denie that they are negotiating with Americans. Everyone (in Iran) know, that it's totally useless waste of time.

You go right on kidding yourself. Iran has no say in the outcome of this conflict, they dictate nothing. The only hand they have is the one they wipe their asses with. Like it or not, we are going to keep choking Iran and strangling the IRGC until there is nothing left of them if it takes every last man we have.

 

[Zavulon]

So far only Italy has put up ships to help the US open Hormuz. No one is helping Iran.

Russia and China are helping Iran with satellite recon info, and this is why US ship don't dare to came close to Iranian shores.

We had 400,000 Americans die from drug overdoses during Biden's term.
Trump will cut that number in half, if not lower.
The democrat's drug culture makes too many people "unemployable".

I don't think that democrats actually loves this shit (no sane person actually do). It's because your police is terribly underfunded.

I donate to "T2T" to help vets with disabilities.

If you do it, it's only because your government don't do it. And, in Russia, if you served more than 6 years, government buy you a house.

My daughter pays $15,000 a year to end her kid to a private grade school.
Private or parochial high schools can cost $20,000 a year if not more.
Private military academies are about the same.

When our family, poor refugees from Kazakhstan, came in Moscow, my Mom bought a TV to a decent school, and in this school I've studied English and French (say nothing about Chemistry, Physics, Maths, other subjects and initial military training) for free. How good are your grandchildren with foreign languages and natural sciences? As far as I know, even best American schools are worse than just good schools in Russia, and poor smart kids has quite elusive chance to get a decent education.

Ok, but that's where the top general lived.

It's a fiction movie. And a top general living in Northern Chertanovo is even more fictional thing, than an arrived alien spaceship. You can watch some videos of search in top general mansions at YouTube.

In Britain they have a "class system", in India they have a "Caste system", here in the US we all have "equality" but democrats want "equity". You can live however you want if you have the money to pay for it.

You can live however you want if you have money anywhere. The problem is to earn those money. And, from my own experience, as well as from experience of my friends and relatives, the modern USA is quite poor place to earn decent money even if you are a smart guy and ready to work hard or to earn good living standards with just medium incomes.

 

[Zavulon]

You go right on kidding yourself. Iran has no say in the outcome of this conflict, they dictate nothing. The only hand they have is the one they wipe their asses with. Like it or not, we are going to keep choking Iran and strangling the IRGC until there is nothing left of them if it takes every last man we have.

Something like:

 

[Zavulon]

Israel isn't a shithole. Israel is one of the most advanced nations on the planet.

Actually, no.

The only evil religion I see is Islam.

All religions are evil.

 

[Zavulon]

Only a fool would believe anything coming out of Iran.

As if smartasses believe Israel or the USA.

The only aggression in the Middle East is from Iran. Ask their neighbors.

It's simply not true. Iran didn't start an aggressive war in all those years from the Revolution.

 

[GLASNOST]

As anyone with a brain knew Iran will never bend the knee. The only option left is to bomb them into oblivion.

For what reason?

Discuss.

Give me a reason. "Bend the knee" for what?

 

[GLASNOST]

Iran didn't start an aggressive war in all those years from the Revolution.

Correct.

 

[GLASNOST]

So far only Italy has put up ships to help the US open Hormuz.

Why should Hormuz be opened?

We had 400,000 Americans die from drug overdoses during Biden's term.
.

You think opening Hormuz will stop overdoses?