Iran: Playtime is Over.

[Zavulon]

Its not piracy, "asymmetrical warfare" like terrorists use on everyone else.

You can use whatever rhetoric you wish, but attacking neutral ships in High Seas is piracy.

There re either rules for everyone, or there are no rules.

Yep. And you violated those rules first in Carribbean, then in Atlantic, Pacific and Indian ocean.

America has the largest economy, which business partners all benefit from.

Actually, the largest economy (GDP by PPP) has China.

Nothing is being destroyed, except possibly Iran's oil based economy.

It's simply not true. Even Americans suffer a little from gas and fertilizers prices. Your "allies" suffer much more.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You can use whatever rhetoric you wish, but attacking neutral ships in High Seas is piracy.


Yep. And you violated those rules first in Carribbean, then in Atlantic, Pacific and Indian ocean.


Actually, the largest economy (GDP by PPP) has China.


It's simply not true. Even Americans suffer a little from gas and fertilizers prices. Your "allies" suffer much more.

If the ships are doing business with Iran or are Iran owned, they are not neutral. Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz and demanding a toll to pass is piracy and makes the IRGC no differnet from the Somali pirates.

The only way to keep gas and fertilizer prices down is to destroy the ayatollahs' ability to block the Strait. A negotiated opening would leave the ayatollahs with the ability to close it again.

 

[Zavulon]

If the ships are doing business with Iran or are Iran owned, they are not neutral.

Same was British idea during American revolutionary war. But Russia, France and other countries explained Britain that they don't think so, and established the "league of armed neutrality", which said: "You, British clowns, can block your arseholes, and we'll continue to trade with your former colonies, and if you have any problems about it - we are going to sink your ships".

Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz and demanding a toll to pass is piracy and makes the IRGC no differnet from the Somali pirates.

Of course, it's not. Those are territorial waters of Iran and Oman, and they can collect reasonable toll for it. As well as Turkey or Egypt do.

The only way to keep gas and fertilizer prices down is to destroy the ayatollahs' ability to block the Strait.

You simply can't do it (at least without tactical nukes and boots on the ground).

A negotiated opening would leave the ayatollahs with the ability to close it again.

There will be no negotiations.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Same was British idea during American revolutionary war. But Russia, France and other countries explained Britain that they don't think so, and established the "league of armed neutrality", which said: "You, British clowns, can block your arseholes, and we'll continue to trade with your former colonies, and if you have any problems about it - we are going to sink your ships".

Of course, it's not. Those are territorial waters of Iran and Oman, and they can collect reasonable toll for it. As well as Turkey or Egypt do.


You simply can't do it (at least without tactical nukes and boots on the ground).


There will be no negotiations.

Under the UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION on the LAWS of the SEAS, everyone is guaranteed safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz, but ayatollahs have refused to comply with it, so they must be held accountable for their actions.

In 1967 Egypt blockaded the Strait of Tiran between Sinai and Saudi Arabia, so Israel took the Sinai away from Egypt to open the Strait of Tiran. The US can do the same thing at the Strait of Hormuz, and without any nukes.

 

[Zavulon]

Under the UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION on the LAWS of the SEAS, everyone is guaranteed safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz, but ayatollahs have refused to comply with it, so they must be held accountable for their actions.

Neither USA, nor Iran signed this convention. And, of course, sea law was destroyed by illegal and unprovoked pirate attacks against neutral ships.
Anyway, Iran was attacked, and has right for self-defense, and this right includes inspections of ships, following in the ports of the countries with US bases.

In 1967 Egypt blockaded the Strait of Tiran between Sinai and Saudi Arabia, so Israel took the Sinai away from Egypt to open the Strait of Tiran. The US can do the same thing at the Strait of Hormuz, and without any nukes.

You can try. But Iran will destroy those limited forces.

 

[Ringo]

 

[toomuchtime_]

Neither USA, nor Iran signed this convention. And, of course, sea law was destroyed by illegal and unprovoked pirate attacks against neutral ships.
Anyway, Iran was attacked, and has right for self-defense, and this right includes inspections of ships, following in the ports of the countries with US bases.


You can try. But Iran will destroy those limited forces.

You keep inventing rights for the ayatollahs. In the real world, nations only have those rights they can defend.

No ground forces are necessary. The US can open the Strat by denying the regime access to the coast and destroying all infrastructure, especially fuel storage tanks, starve its gunboats into inactivity.

 

[Zavulon]

You keep inventing rights for the ayatollahs. In the real world, nations only have those rights they can defend.

It means that the USA and their allies have no right of free passage through Hormuz strait.

No ground forces are necessary. The US can open the Strat by denying the regime access to the coast and destroying all infrastructure, especially fuel storage tanks, starve its gunboats into inactivity.

I very doubt it.

 

[kyzr]

You can use whatever rhetoric you wish, but attacking neutral ships in High Seas is piracy.

Iranian ships or Iranian oil is not "neutral"

Yep. And you violated those rules first in Caribbean, then in Atlantic, Pacific and Indian ocean.

So you say. We don't think so. If Irn wants to sell oil they need to play ball.

Actually, the largest economy (GDP by PPP) has China.

Never heard of PPP before.
I like the US standard of living, thank you very much.
The GDP per capita shows who has the bigger buckets of rice.
(China has 4x the population of the US but we out produce them per capita)

It's simply not true. Even Americans suffer a little from gas and fertilizers prices. Your "allies" suffer much more.

There is a big difference between "being destroyed" and a temporary bump in gas or fertilizer prices.
We all can handle "inconvenience". If our "allies" helped us in Hormuz they wouldn't "suffer".

 

[Zavulon]

Iranian ships or Iranian oil is not "neutral"

Russian and Chinese ships are neutral. Yet.

So you say. We don't think so. If Irn wants to sell oil they need to play ball.

Or they need armed escort to scare away Americans.

Never heard of PPP before.
I like the US standard of living, thank you very much.

Read something about PPP. It's not about standard of living. It's about prices. The prices in the USA are higher than in China and Russia.

The GDP per capita shows who has the bigger buckets of rice.

No, it didn't. It just demonstrates business activity.

(China has 4x the population of the US but we out produce them per capita)
There is a big difference between "being destroyed" and a temporary bump in gas or fertilizer prices.

Sometimes temporary bump becomes final problem that ends the existence of the state.

We all can handle "inconvenience". If our "allies" helped us in Hormuz they wouldn't "suffer".

Or they would suffer much more.

 

[schmidlap]

Yet your blob is still kicking the can down the road....

How’s that make you feel?

Discuss.

It's a long and winding road.

Trump's and Bibi's obscenely-expensive "little excursion" has only strengthened the repressive, right-wing theocratic regime (that still has all its nuclear weapons materials.)

Tehran is in no rush to cut a deal. ..​

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Despite the assassinations of its leaders and the damage to an array of military sites, Iran’s regime seems to have benefitted politically from the attacks started by the U.S. and Israel, according to a Western diplomat with knowledge of the conflict and five Western officials, all with knowledge of intelligence assessments on Iran. The regime is, improbably, more stable now than before the war and slightly more hard line, five of the officials said.​

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The mass anti-government protests that rocked the country in the weeks before the war have, at this time, receded. ​

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The so-called moderate or reformist faction inside the regime has been marginalized, because heavy U.S. bombing and Trump’s frequent ultimatums have undermined their arguments that a more accommodating approach with Washington could produce benefits, five of the officials said...​

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“The Iranians don’t seem to be in a rush to negotiate,” one of the Western officials with knowledge of intelligence assessments on Iran told NBC News.​

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Even all Trump' persuasive skills and diplomatic eloquence failed:

"Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards!"
“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again!”

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[HikerGuy83]

Previous time when America was f#cked that cute, was Vietnam. And negotiations to end Vietnam war took four years.

Iran isn't Vietnam and Trump isn't LBJ and the public will never stand for something like that again.

That you would try to equate the two shows just what a hack you are.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Israel waiting for 'green light' from US to resume the war with Iran, Katz says​

Israel is waiting for the "green light" from the U.S. to resume the war with Iran, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said Thursday, after meeting with Israeli military officials.

"Israel is prepared to renew the war against Iran," Katz said. "The IDF is prepared for defense and attack, and the targets are marked."

"Waiting for the green light from the U.S. -- first and foremost to complete the elimination of the Khamenei dynasty," Katz said.

Katz also threatened to target Iran's energy infrastructure along with its "national economic infrastructure."

Iran live updates: Trump says no 'time pressure' to secure deal, Americans should expect higher gas prices 'for a little while'

President Donald Trump announced "major combat operations" against Iran on Feb. 28, with massive joint U.S.-Israeli strikes.

abcnews.com

 

[Zavulon]

Iran isn't Vietnam and Trump isn't LBJ and the public will never stand for something like that again.

Yep. Iran isn't Vietnam. Iran might be much worse for you. I mean, Vietcong never bombed US bases and other strategical assets in Japan and other regional allies of the USA.

 

[BackAgain]

As anyone with a brain knew Iran will never bend the knee. The only option left is to bomb them into oblivion. The sole purpose of war is to destroy the enemy or destroy their will to fight. Period. Iran has been damaged but not destroyed, and they are still playing games.


Playtime is over. Destroy Iran completely until they quit and unconditionally surrender.


Discuss.

No.

It’s the shithead Islamofascist leadership and its brown shirt IRGC who need to get destroyed. Not the other Iranians.

 

[Zavulon]

Irainians also used this time for resupply.
Brand new Russian Strela-3 MANPAD was spotted in Iran.

 

[kyzr]

Russian and Chinese ships are neutral. Yet.

Yep.

Or they need armed escort to scare away Americans.

LOL. Total propaganda. There is no Iranian navy, especially in the Gulf of Oman.

Read something about PPP. It's not about standard of living. It's about prices. The prices in the USA are higher than in China and Russia.

So is the median income. We can easily afford those higher prices.

No, it didn't. It just demonstrates business activity.

It predicts median income, except in Russia, Putin and his oligarchs must be mistreating the крепостной

Median Income by Country 2026

Detailed information on median income by country, providing insights into the average earnings of individuals within each nation with additional details related to this topic.

worldpopulationreview.com

..............PPP/CAP..........MEDIAN INCOME
China $27,105................$4,246

USA. $87,810...............$19,306

India. $11,149..................$1,314

Russia. $47,405.................$5,504

Japan. $51,685...............$14,255

Germany. $72,300...............$16,845

Sometimes temporary bump becomes final problem that ends the existence of the state.

In the interconnected world if there is an economic problem everyone suffers.

Or they would suffer much more.

Pick your poison, open Hormuz, or don't open Hormuz.

 

[Zavulon]

Yep.

So, neutral countries can join forces and defend their right of free sea trade by military force. I doubt that we will do it right now, but free world can't allow you control oceans or continue piracy.

LOL. Total propaganda. There is no Iranian navy, especially in the Gulf of Oman.

Yep. Daily Star is, of course, Iranian propagandists.

Iran continues crude exports despite US blockade, Vortexa says

Six crude carriers transited with AIS data switched off

www.thedailystar.net

So is the median income. We can easily afford those higher prices.

Definitely not all of you. Many of Americans can't even afford to buy a house.

It predicts median income, except in Russia, Putin and his oligarchs must be mistreating the крепостной

Median Income by Country 2026

Detailed information on median income by country, providing insights into the average earnings of individuals within each nation with additional details related to this topic.

worldpopulationreview.com

..............PPP/CAP..........MEDIAN INCOME
China $27,105................$4,246

USA. $87,810...............$19,306

India. $11,149..................$1,314

Russia. $47,405.................$5,504

Japan. $51,685...............$14,255

Germany. $72,300...............$16,845

As I said - virtual dollars and real wealth are two different things.

In the interconnected world if there is an economic problem everyone suffers.

Not necessarily. What is suffering for someone, is good profit for others.

Pick your poison, open Hormuz, or don't open Hormuz.

 

[kyzr]

So, neutral countries can join forces and defend their right of free sea trade by military force. I doubt that we will do it right now, but free world can't allow you control oceans or continue piracy.

When we are enforcing sanctions no one will interfere.

Yep. Daily Star is, of course, Iranian propagandists.

The "Daily Star" you linked to is, this one is real:

Latest News - Breaking UK News & World News Headlines - Daily Star

The latest breaking news from the UK and around the world, all on the Daily Star, with the best coverage and commentary in Britain.

www.dailystar.co.uk

Definitely not all of you. Many of Americans can't even afford to buy a house.

Median income is median income. Houses require significant income.
Russia and China have no poor people?
In that movie "Attraction" it looks like all Russians live in apartment complexes, except maybe the super wealthy?

As I said - virtual dollars and real wealth are two different things.

Not "virtual dollars", real dollars. I'd rather live in a wealthy country than a poor country.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Yep. It is time to make the Stone Age look positively modern for them.

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I feel for the good Persian people. However, annihilating the filthy Islamist regime is their job, but the showed us they are not capable of doing so.

Nothing else to say.

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