Interesting article on muslims in america

[Redfish]

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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

 

[Seawytch]

Shouldn't a source be provided? I wonder why the OP didn't link to his source.

The mind reels...

 

[konradv]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

I'd take this whole post with a grain of salt. All you have to do is check this list to see that this point is false, #47 for example. Given that, you can't condemn all Muslims because of the misinterpretations of some, both adherents and detractors.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Shouldn't a source be provided? I wonder why the OP didn't link to his source.

The mind reels...

Does there need to be a link? As far as I can see, the post is technically correct.
Of course, SOME of those points can be made about any religion.

 

[Seawytch]

Ah...probably because it was an email that someone sent him.

THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED: (already posted by the Chickenfish)...and a response...

This is truly disgusting, hateful bullshit!

And to say that we have a Muslim president shows true ignorance and disregard for the facts in order to spread a hateful agenda antithetical to the Christian religion.

Please allow me to refute point by point the statements in the original email.

First, many American Muslims have spoken out, and continue to speak out against atrocities, as have millions of Muslims around the world..

Allah, the 'moon God of Arabia' is the same God that Christians and Jews pray to. To refer to Allah as a 'moon God' is a blasphemy against the God of Christians and Jews. Muslims trace their lineage from Abraham just as Christians and Jews do. They recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet in their religion.

Many Christian denominations also accept no other religion and believe that the only path to salvation is to be saved by giving your life over to Jesus Christ. This is not unique to Muslims.

Being a good American does not require a belief in any particular scripture, or belief in a scripture at all. One of the pillars of our great Constitution that has sheperded this country for more than two hundred years is the absolute freedom of religion.

A Muslim's allegiance to Mecca is no more powerful, nor is it any different than a Roman Catholic's allegiance to Rome, or other Christians' allegiance to sacred places in the Holy Land. Mecca is simply sacred to Muslims because that's where the prophet Mohammed was located.

I have had Muslim friends who had no qualms about being friends with Christians or Jews. That is an absurdly preposterous statement.

While it is true that some radical Muslim mullahs preach hatred, the vast majority do not. That is no different than other religions. Most religions have extremist elements, including the Christian, Jewish, and Hindu religions. That doesn't mean that all Christians, Jews and Hindus are extremists any more than it means that all Muslims are extremists.

Some religions, including Mormons and Muslims, have historically allowed plural marriages. In some traditional Muslim countries this is still allowed. In others, it is not. Times have changed since the Quran was written, just as they've changed since the Bible was written. There are references in the Bible to stoning women who commit adultery. That doesn't mean that all Christians stone women who commit adultery.

The American Constitution is not based on Biblical principles. It guarantees freedom of religion, Christian or otherwise, or no religion at all. One of our great founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, was not known as a religious man at all.

Democracy and Islam coexist in a number of countries. Turkey's population is almost completely Muslim, and it has been a democracy for many decades. Pakistan and Malaysia are two other Muslim countries that are democratic. There have been many Christian nations over the centuries that have not been democratic. That doesn't mean that Christianity and democracy can't coexist.

I find it ironic that the author of the email refers to the Christian God as 'loving and kind' when (s)he is spreading hatred and lies, and therefore if a Christian, (s)he is certainly not following the Christian precepts of a loving and kind God.

It is certainly part of the right-wing agenda in this country to spread suspicion about anybody who is not just like they are. Why? Because fear is an easy thing to spread and an easy hypocritical way of getting votes for right-wing politicians. If that weren't true, people who preach hate such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck wouldn't have an audience. It's just unfortunate that so many Americans fall for this hateful drivel. Amercans should be proud that we have a country that welcomes all kinds of people - black, white, brown, yellow, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, straight, gay - and that we have developed into a pluralistic society like none ever seen before in the world. We should celebrate that we have a great nation and embrace our differences and the many different people we come in contact with. Isn't that what a 'loving and kind' God would want us to do?

 

[Seawytch]

Can a good Catholic be a good American?

That question was forwarded to a person that worked in Italy for 20 years.

The following is his forwarded reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to the papacy.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his God, who commanded: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3).

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the four gospels and the Bible.

Geographically - no. Because his holy sites are in Palestine.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Catholicism forbids him to make friends with Protestants, Jews, or Muslims.

Politically - no. Because his allegiance is to Rome, where he turns for leadership in all matters.

Domestically - no. Because his God commands women to be subservient to men (Genesis 3:16).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is a based on secular principles and he believes the secular world to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Catholicism, God, and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Catholicism and democracy cannot co-exist. Every Catholic government has been either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because Allah is loving and kind, while God is wrathful and destructive ("Leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord'" - Romans 12:19-21).

Morally - no. Because he must submit to priests (spiritual leaders), who engage in pederasty.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL CATHOLICS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Catholics and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

You had better believe it.

 

[rightwinger]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

 

[mdk]

Can Muslims be Good Americans? Yes, most are already good Americans. Any more tough questions? lol

 

[irosie91]

you article addresses some realities-----but for me it is OVER-PLAY. Most people are not all that interested in being completely adherent to a formal religion----AND
most people do interpret their religion in their own singular manner. The problem we face with islam is------"YA' NEVAH' KNOW" if any given muslim is gonna'
catch the CALIPHATIST bug. It is the caliphatist bug (new to many people---but not to me----because I have interacted with muslims for the past 50+ years)
For the terrorism like that of the the FAROOKS-----Tashfeen malik and Syed----blame the CALIPHATE fantasy. --------it is a fantasy taught to muslim kids with more fervor and "REALITY" than Christian kids in the US swallow the SANTA CLAUS myth. ......and for many IT STICKS for life. The caliphate myth is UTOPIAN --------all of the troubles of the world --public and personal---VANISH if
only ISLAM RULES. EVERYONE IS HAPPY in the caliphate-----even chattel
slaves and oppressed non muslims.

 

[irosie91]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

 

[Redfish]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

true, but the difference is significant. Christians are not instructed to destroy non-Christians, whereas muslims are not considered good muslims unless they vow and practice the destruction on non-muslims.

Now, it is true that many American muslims to no follow those teachings. But it only takes a few like the San Bernardino and Ft Hood shooters.

To pretend that this is not a problem is very very naïve and dangerous.

 

[Redfish]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

that may be true, but those muslims are in violation of their faith. Maybe that's not a problem. But the dead in San Bernardino and Ft. Hood and Boston might disagree.

 

[Seawytch]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

all true-----but even from secularized muslim families-------a CALIPHATIST can
(and a lot TOO OFTEN) does arise. Caliphatism is as central to Islamic ethos
as "jesus saves" is to christianity

true, but the difference is significant. Christians are not instructed to destroy non-Christians, whereas muslims are not considered good muslims unless they vow and practice the destruction on non-muslims.

Now, it is true that many American muslims to no follow those teachings. But it only takes a few like the San Bernardino and Ft Hood shooters.

To pretend that this is not a problem is very very naïve and dangerous.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

 

[Seawytch]

My Holy Book Says People Like You Should Be Killed

 

[Redfish]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

I'd take this whole post with a grain of salt. All you have to do is check this list to see that this point is false, #47 for example. Given that, you can't condemn all Muslims because of the misinterpretations of some, both adherents and detractors.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look dude, no one cares if you believe it or not. The post is accurate. Ignore reality at your peril. Just think, YOU could be the next victim of a San Bernardino style muslim attack. I hope you aren't and I hope that there wont be any more of them. But to ignore a real danger is foolish.

 

[Redfish]

The left leaning country of France is raiding mosques and finding weapons and attack plans. Are the frogs smarter than we Americans?

 

[Seawytch]

Statistically, Fishy is in greater danger walking and being hit by lighting...but by all means, freak out if ya'll want to. Start digging that shelter in the back yard. Keeps you out of trouble and might reduce your risk of heart disease...which is FAR greater than the danger from a moooooooslim terror attack.

 

[rightwinger]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

that may be true, but those muslims are in violation of their faith. Maybe that's not a problem. But the dead in San Bernardino and Ft. Hood and Boston might disagree.

No, they are not

If two million Muslims behaved like you say they should we would have a murder rate in the millions

If one and a half billion Muslims around the world behaved like you say they should ....we would have billions of murders around the world

 

[Redfish]

Statistically, Fishy is in greater danger walking and being hit by lighting...but by all means, freak out if ya'll want to. Start digging that shelter in the back yard. Keeps you out of trouble and might reduce your risk of heart disease...which is FAR greater than the danger from a moooooooslim terror attack.

I have you on ignore but decided to see what you had to say about this topic. Now I remember why I put you on ignore.

as to being scared, nope not scared, just realistic.
Should the San Bernardino, Ft Hood, and Boston victims of muslim terrorism have been scared? Maybe they would still be alive if they, and the police, had taken the muslim threat more seriously.

Back to ignore for you wytchey. have a nice life.

 

[Redfish]

We have around two million Muslims in America

As a group, they tend to be well educated, family focused and law abiding

that may be true, but those muslims are in violation of their faith. Maybe that's not a problem. But the dead in San Bernardino and Ft. Hood and Boston might disagree.

No, they are not

If two million Muslims behaved like you say they should we would have a murder rate in the millions

If one and a half billion Muslims around the world behaved like you say they should ....we would have billions of murders around the world

the radical sects are a minority of the muslim world, no one has ever said otherwise. But what the OP says about muslim teachings and doctrine is true.

Again, ask the relatives of the dead from San Bernardino, Ft Hood, and Boston.