Interesting article on guns in Japan

I don't think leftists know this about Muslims. Most on the Left know nothing of history or have distorted it to fit they crazy narrative.

They still bring up the Crusades to justify Islamic murder...when anyone who has studied the Crusades knows it was an effort by Christians to stop Muslims from murdering Christians. The Crusades would never have happened had Islam been peaceful.

I know a lot about Muslims, I've been to various Muslim countries in Africa and Asia, and have Muslim friends. I also know about the history of Islam, and yet I get told by people with no clue how wrong I am.
So...because you know Muslims and have been to Muslim countries, you deny that Islam grew by the sword. Is that right?

I grew up near Dearborn Mi. I knew a few Muslims and got to know their culture. I found nearly all were nice good people. This in no way prevents me from understanding the history of Islam.

Why do you deny reality?

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?
They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.
Christianity is a faith, all the rest are religions/cults. Jackweed
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

There is a lot more going on than the presence, or absence of guns regarding Japan. The differences are far more than who has a pistol, or rifle, and who doesn't. There are cultural differences that are almost beyond the imagining of people.

I watched a documentary about the Fukushima disaster. It was filmed after the disaster of course, and all the workers except the manager had their faces blurred. The reason according to the documentary was that the workers were ashamed that the accident had happened, and did not wish to have their faces shown to the world, or their neighbors.

We blur faces, but when there is a child involved, or some imaginary threat to the individual. A security reason, we don't want the terrorists to know that the guy talking is a special forces soldier or spy.

Also in the documentary, the refugees were eating government handout food. One man sighed and said that the food was always the same, and it would be nice to have some variety. Another set his chop sticks down and said he couldn't eat it, it was not good food. None of them rushed to the counter screaming or shouting. None of them were pounding on the table demanding better food. They took it, and ate it, or not.

For a vast majority of Japanese, conformity is not just a general rule that should be followed, it's practically a commandment. When they do go into a criminal lifestyle, the main group is their version of the Mob, the Yakuza. Failure is not accepted, and to beg forgiveness you sacrifice a finger.

But it's more than just the conformity social norm. It's the obedience norm. If a man gets fired, he doesn't want revenge for firing him. He is ashamed because he did not work hard enough, was not good enough, and failed. The fault is his, not the company, nor the world. In America, when you fire someone, there is a chance that the guy or girl will come back and want revenge. Because they are the ones who are special, they have been told so through their entire life.

There is a lot going on between the two societies, and I haven't even chipped away at the iceberg. To join Japan in the low murder rates, we would have to do a lot more that abandon guns. That's the same surface, and addresses nothing underneath that surface. Are you willing to bow and show respect to a Republican President? Are you willing to unquestionably accept him as the leader?

I am independent enough to believe that those in power above me are not always right. And I want the freedom to tell you that you are missing the point of pretty much everything in the comparison.

Yes, of course there are differences, and massive differences. I've been to Japan and at times felt lost.

That doesn't mean that Japan's strict gun laws don't stop murders. It might mean that you have to be careful and understand the context of something.

However EVERY first world country has a lower murder rate than the US. People try and pass off all comparisons because they know they're onto a losing thing.


The European countries have criminals who are less prone to commit actual murder. It is a difference in criminal culture, not gun ownership....criminals in Europe get all the guns they want...they just don't commit murder with them the way our criminals do. The anti gunners still fail to understand this....the gun violence rate in Britain was lower than the U.S. before they banned guns, and after they actually banned guns...it spiked...went up.....and then it went back to it's previous level....in 2015...it actually went up...and guns are becoming more popular among criminals in Britain...their gun control is not changing criminal behavior.........importing immigrants with different cultures and attitudes toward violence is changing their gun crime level...
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?
gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.
A polite society is an armed society.....
Did Detroit miss the memo?


Oh..you don't pay attention....the police chief of Detroit put out statements that Detroiters should buy and carry guns...they did....and the crime rate in Detroit has gone down...please research before you post.....
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?
gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.
A polite society is an armed society.....
Did Detroit miss the memo?


No...Detroit got that memo....research before you post......what you think about guns in America is likely wrong...especially if you just listen to the anti gun media......

Detroit Police Chief: Crime Going Down Amid Spike in Legal Gun Ownership



The Detroit police chief has called on the law-abiding people of his community to arm themselves.

Now, James Craig says his city has seen a drop in crime of 12%, as Detroit moves lower on the list of America's deadliest cities.

In 2014, the Detroit police department issued more than 1,100 handgun permits, while more than 8,100 guns were registered in the city.

The number of shootings and robberies dropped from 2013. Home invasions are down 17% so far this year, Craig said, following a drop of 38% last year.

Craig noted that in a survey of 1,800 felons, the respondents pointed to "armed citizens" as the thing they were most afraid of.

Craig said his police officers are doing tremendous work, but said that there are more and more incidents in recent years in which a criminal encounters an armed individual.

He said his time working in Maine taught him about the importance of Americans exercising their Second Amendment right and he brought those lessons with him to Detroit two years ago.

"My time in Maine was pivotal for me taking another look at what good Americans who are armed can have on reducing violence," said Craig.
 
All countries compared for Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate per million people

Japan simply has low crime. Has nothing to do with guns.

They still have crime, but at the rate of 4 per million population.

They are 7th lowest in the world.

Monaco and Palau are the lowest in the world with virtually no crime.

The top most violent 98 countries in the world already make guns illegal and it has not changed anything there.

The USA is 99th. We are about in the middle -- the median.

And most US crime is committed in states like Calif and NYS which already limit or prohibit guns.

So your thinking on this is a fallacy. No logic to it at all.

Most murders - Louisiana. They also lock the most people up. Apparently locking people up solves crime problems. Oh, you want fallacies, huh?
--------------------------------------------------------- and this talk about murders in the USA . People murder with guns , knives , pills , clubs , hammers and all kindsa implements . Guns though allow a five foot , 100 pound women to protect herself from a 260 pound violent thug FWierdo .

Guns allow a coward to shoot, kill and maim scores of people in a matter of minutes.


And guns allow weaker and outnumbered law abiding citizens to fight off stronger, more aggressive and more numerous thugs.........

And considering the actual fact....in the 1990s we had 200 million guns in private hands and 4.7 million Americans carried guns for self defense in 1997, and in 2016 we now have 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...

and our gun murder rate went down 47%......that shows that law abiding Americans owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun murder rate....and studies show it helps lower the crime and murder rate......


That is a fact....and it destroys the primary argument that you and the other anti gunners have...

(Does) A gun possessed possess the person and change their behavior? Do they take risks they might ordinarily (unarmed) not take? Do they seek confrontations they might avoid if not carrying? Do some carry with the Walter Mitty dream of being the hero, or is that now called the Zimmerman Syndrome?

BTW, Much of scientific evidence is based upon a correlation of variables – they are observed to occur together. Scientists are careful to point out that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. The assumption that A causes B simply because A correlates with B is often not accepted as a legitimate form of argument.


And yet.....you are wrong.....

In 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense.....in 2016 there are now over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense...according to you, that should equal in an icrease in violence....but what actually happene? The gun murder rate went down by 47%...not up...and the violent crime rate went down, not up......you are wrong, and you are stating things that are not born out by actual reality....

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Even in the last few years...with an explosion of people getting concealed carry permits....

Voters’ perceptions of crime continue to conflict with reality

Official government crime statistics paint a strikingly different picture. Between 2008 and 2015 (the most recent year for which data are available), U.S. violent crime and property crime rates fell 19% and 23%, respectively, according to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program, which tallies serious crimes reported to police in more than 18,000 jurisdictions around the nation.

And with more people carrying guns...what about the over all violent crime rate in the U.S.........?

Violent Crime Is 16% Lower Than a Decade Ago, So Why Are Gun Sales So High?

The Bureau of Justice Statistics, which uses a slightly different definition of violent crime (it doesn't collect murder statistics, but does include simple assault),
says violent crime has plummeted 77% since 1993 with just 18.6 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older, compared with 79.8 victimizations 23 years ago. It's clear we're living in a much safer world today than just a few years ago, let alone decades before:

 
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We don't have highly educated people .....


Who is "we"?

Americans.....


Millions of Americans have advanced degrees.

But not at the rate of other first world countries. It's a big deal in Europe if you don't finish university. It's like finishing high school. But here it's acceptable to not finish university and that shouldn't be.


They have extensive apprenticeship programs for those not going to college....college or training in a trade...that helps...we need that here.
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

There is a lot more going on than the presence, or absence of guns regarding Japan. The differences are far more than who has a pistol, or rifle, and who doesn't. There are cultural differences that are almost beyond the imagining of people.

I watched a documentary about the Fukushima disaster. It was filmed after the disaster of course, and all the workers except the manager had their faces blurred. The reason according to the documentary was that the workers were ashamed that the accident had happened, and did not wish to have their faces shown to the world, or their neighbors.

We blur faces, but when there is a child involved, or some imaginary threat to the individual. A security reason, we don't want the terrorists to know that the guy talking is a special forces soldier or spy.

Also in the documentary, the refugees were eating government handout food. One man sighed and said that the food was always the same, and it would be nice to have some variety. Another set his chop sticks down and said he couldn't eat it, it was not good food. None of them rushed to the counter screaming or shouting. None of them were pounding on the table demanding better food. They took it, and ate it, or not.

For a vast majority of Japanese, conformity is not just a general rule that should be followed, it's practically a commandment. When they do go into a criminal lifestyle, the main group is their version of the Mob, the Yakuza. Failure is not accepted, and to beg forgiveness you sacrifice a finger.

But it's more than just the conformity social norm. It's the obedience norm. If a man gets fired, he doesn't want revenge for firing him. He is ashamed because he did not work hard enough, was not good enough, and failed. The fault is his, not the company, nor the world. In America, when you fire someone, there is a chance that the guy or girl will come back and want revenge. Because they are the ones who are special, they have been told so through their entire life.

There is a lot going on between the two societies, and I haven't even chipped away at the iceberg. To join Japan in the low murder rates, we would have to do a lot more that abandon guns. That's the same surface, and addresses nothing underneath that surface. Are you willing to bow and show respect to a Republican President? Are you willing to unquestionably accept him as the leader?

I am independent enough to believe that those in power above me are not always right. And I want the freedom to tell you that you are missing the point of pretty much everything in the comparison.

Yes, of course there are differences, and massive differences. I've been to Japan and at times felt lost.

That doesn't mean that Japan's strict gun laws don't stop murders. It might mean that you have to be careful and understand the context of something.

However EVERY first world country has a lower murder rate than the US. People try and pass off all comparisons because they know they're onto a losing thing.

Yet, if we were to go with the presence, or absence of firearms as the only criteria, then Switzerland throws the entire issue into question.

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

So would you object to Swiss like laws in the US? I bet you would. Would you object to Japanese like police interrogations? I damn sure would. You can't just pick one thing, and say we need to change that one thing and we can have less crime.

Norway has the most liberal of prison policies I've ever heard of, yet they have a lower recidivism rate than we do. So getting rid of guns which is a literal impossibility, would have to be coupled with a widespread societal changes and revamping the Criminal Justice System.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

We can turn the police loose to use methods which our Supreme Court has found to be unconstitutional, or we can work with Criminals to show them how to live in society like Norway. Decisions, decisions. Because no two nations have exactly the same situations. Japan has low crime, but exceedingly strict enforcement and brutal police. Norway has low crime, but exceedingly liberal policies towards the treatment of Convicts. Switzerland has low crime, and high gun ownership.

I watched a show the other day when James May a Brit was describing how Americans and Germans view things. The question was what happens when you lose your driving license. The American asked the German what happened if you drove with a suspended or revoked license. The German replied that was impossible, you had no license, and could not drive. But what if it's really late, and you decide to go to the store or a restaurant or something. No, it is impossible, you have no license, and can not drive.

The average German can't imagine breaking the rules. That has been the situation in Germany for far more than a Century. Before WW I the Kaiser laughed and said that there would be no revolution in Germany until things got so bad that the revolution could be announced on official placards posted on every street corner. That was literally the truth as World War One ended.

Japanese workers show up an hour early, minimum, and stay an hour late, again minimum. All without pay for those hours. I would not want to see that mentality take root here. Worse, I would hate to see what our elected leaders would do with an obedient and compliant people.

All these attitudes are different from nation to nation. Those stresses are tearing the EU apart as I write this. Britain has chosen to leave, to declare their independence. France may, and Italy could well depart too. They are European, and proud, but they are British, or French, or Italian first.

We won't embrace a ban on guns just because someone else does. Many of us believe it is an Unailiable Right. Not a right guaranteed to us by the Constitution, but a right that all people have that Government has no right to interfere with. The Founders didn't decide that I have a right to possess arms. That was something that came from God, Natural Selection, Evolution, or Gaia depending on your point of view. We humans are what we are, and Americans will never be the sheep that many peoples around the world are. It would take a century of modification of the social norms before the people would accept the idea.

But I have a question. Why is it impossible to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, but no problem to ban half a billion guns?


Yes...as I keep pointing out...it isn't access to guns that makes the difference in these countries...it is the values of the culture.......the anti gunners just will not see that point..to them, it is the gun......and that is why we have gun violence....they don't address the actual shooters here in the states, they focus on the law abiding people who will not use guns for crime.
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?
gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

Can you please cite where you found that claim?
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


People I know who have lived and worked in Japan and their Japanese friends who have moved here who I have talked to....that's what my point of reference......moron.
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


People I know who have lived and worked in Japan and their Japanese friends who have moved here who I have talked to....that's what my point of reference......moron.




So, you have no first-hand experience at all, and are talking out your ass.
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?




The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


People I know who have lived and worked in Japan and their Japanese friends who have moved here who I have talked to....that's what my point of reference......moron.




So, you have no first-hand experience at all, and are talking out your ass.


No moron....I have freinds who have lived there...one was there 23 years, more than half his life and married a Japanese woman, he now speaks the language fluently and immersed himself in the culture, another friend travels there regularly on business, and deals with Japanese businesses......and through them I have met Japanese nationals who have moved here to live and talked to them.....and I have also spoken to other Americans who have lived in Japan.....
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?




The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.


You deny the nationalism of Japan...the fact that they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan, that they treat women as second class citizens and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?
 
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?




The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.


I never said it didn't, but in Japan is is more prevalent and less thought about as to how to stop doing it...unlike the United States where it is all we talk about....racism, nationalism and misogyny have a long way to go in Japan...a lot farther than we have...
 
But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.


Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


People I know who have lived and worked in Japan and their Japanese friends who have moved here who I have talked to....that's what my point of reference......moron.




So, you have no first-hand experience at all, and are talking out your ass.


No moron....I have freinds who have lived there...one was there 23 years, more than half his life and married a Japanese woman, he now speaks the language fluently and immersed himself in the culture, another friend travels there regularly on business, and deals with Japanese businesses......and through them I have met Japanese nationals who have moved here to live and talked to them.....and I have also spoken to other Americans who have lived in Japan.....




And you have never seen for yourself.
 
Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?




Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?


People I know who have lived and worked in Japan and their Japanese friends who have moved here who I have talked to....that's what my point of reference......moron.




So, you have no first-hand experience at all, and are talking out your ass.


No moron....I have freinds who have lived there...one was there 23 years, more than half his life and married a Japanese woman, he now speaks the language fluently and immersed himself in the culture, another friend travels there regularly on business, and deals with Japanese businesses......and through them I have met Japanese nationals who have moved here to live and talked to them.....and I have also spoken to other Americans who have lived in Japan.....




And you have never seen for yourself.


Wow......you really are dense.
 
Please....deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny of the Japanese.....
 

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