Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[MJB12741]

Probably 90% of them. Just because the Samaritans, Jews, Canaanites and other indigenous people converted , for convenience, to other religions in different eras: the Roman religions, to Christianity and to Islam from their their original religious practices doesn't change who they are. The Romans of Rome today are still Romans though they don't worship the Roman Gods. The Greeks haven't changed because they now are Orthodox and don't worship the Greek Gods.

How do you like that? And here I actually believed there were no Muslims at all in antiquity, let alone Muslim Palestinians. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte.

 

[Phoenall]

Probably 90% of them. Just because the Samaritans, Jews, Canaanites and other indigenous people converted , for convenience, to other religions in different eras: the Roman religions, to Christianity and to Islam from their their original religious practices doesn't change who they are. The Romans of Rome today are still Romans though they don't worship the Roman Gods. The Greeks haven't changed because they now are Orthodox and don't worship the Greek Gods.

So you are saying that they are not arabs then, would you like to tell then to their faces that they are not arabs but mongrels come about because arab's raped their ancestors and took them as sex slaves. This means they have no claim to the land and should return to their ancestors lands.

The only group that have existed for 4,500 years on that land have been the Jews, the muslims were forced out in 1099 after holding the land for just 22 years

 

[Phoenall]

Probably 90% of them. Just because the Samaritans, Jews, Canaanites and other indigenous people converted , for convenience, to other religions in different eras: the Roman religions, to Christianity and to Islam from their their original religious practices doesn't change who they are. The Romans of Rome today are still Romans though they don't worship the Roman Gods. The Greeks haven't changed because they now are Orthodox and don't worship the Greek Gods.

How do you like that? And here I actually believed there were no Muslims at all in antiquity, let alone Muslim Palestinians. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte.

I ogten wondered where they came from before 635 C.E. which is when they were invented, and they laid waste to every land they conquered killing all the males and the old females

 

[MJB12741]

Probably 90% of them. Just because the Samaritans, Jews, Canaanites and other indigenous people converted , for convenience, to other religions in different eras: the Roman religions, to Christianity and to Islam from their their original religious practices doesn't change who they are. The Romans of Rome today are still Romans though they don't worship the Roman Gods. The Greeks haven't changed because they now are Orthodox and don't worship the Greek Gods.

How do you like that? And here I actually believed there were no Muslims at all in antiquity, let alone Muslim Palestinians. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte.

I ogten wondered where they came from before 635 C.E. which is when they were invented, and they laid waste to every land they conquered killing all the males and the old females

Well you see, Monte would have us believe the Jews converted to Islam. Therefore the over 6 million Muslim Palestinians living in Israel are indigenous since antiquity. Now I ask you folks, is that Palestinian mentality or what?

 

[montelatici]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

 

[MJB12741]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

 

[montelatici]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

 

[Phoenall]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Shot yourself in the foot again monte as your headline says FORCIBLY CONVERTED and we all know that those Jews remained Jews and just pretended to be muslims. And it also says they are not arab, yet they claim they are, that is like you claiming you are Italian while holding American papers................

 

[Phoenall]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

Yes as forcible conversion does not count, but the genetic tests show that the muslims are not related to the Jews at all. And the Christians are mongrels from all corners of the Globe.

 

[Humanity]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

Yes as forcible conversion does not count, but the genetic tests show that the muslims are not related to the Jews at all. And the Christians are mongrels from all corners of the Globe.

Which genetic tests would they be Phoney?

Go on, just one link from an unbiased source will do!

 

[P F Tinmore]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

 

[Phoenall]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

Yes as forcible conversion does not count, but the genetic tests show that the muslims are not related to the Jews at all. And the Christians are mongrels from all corners of the Globe.

Which genetic tests would they be Phoney?

Go on, just one link from an unbiased source will do!

The ones you provided of course, so why don't you take a look at your own links

 

[Humanity]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

Yes as forcible conversion does not count, but the genetic tests show that the muslims are not related to the Jews at all. And the Christians are mongrels from all corners of the Globe.

Which genetic tests would they be Phoney?

Go on, just one link from an unbiased source will do!

The ones you provided of course, so why don't you take a look at your own links

Another Phoney Fail then... hahahaha

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

 

[Phoenall]

See that. Was I right or what about Monte? You see you Zionists, those 6 million plus Palestinians living in Israel are really Jews.

Can they be Jews if the indigenous people are now Christians and Muslims?

Yes as forcible conversion does not count, but the genetic tests show that the muslims are not related to the Jews at all. And the Christians are mongrels from all corners of the Globe.

Which genetic tests would they be Phoney?

Go on, just one link from an unbiased source will do!

The ones you provided of course, so why don't you take a look at your own links

Another Phoney Fail then... hahahaha

No you are the failure as you saw the sections that were reposted of your links and did your usual runner

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews

Who were the "indigenous people" BEFORE the Roman invasion?

 

[Phoenall]

indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews

Who were the "indigenous people" BEFORE the Roman invasion?

The Jews of course, right back to 2,500 BCE. No arab muslims for another 700 years was there ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

It proves that the arab muslims have no valid claim to the land and should be forced to leave by force if needed. They have their homeland in Jordan and they did the dirty and ended up in a perpetual war on all sides