Increasing US isolation

[Kondor3]

The - democratic - WTO defines "fair" so why did we leave?

WE define what is "fair" when it comes to our own business dealings.

We need no outsiders to define that for us.

When membership in an organization becomes useless or burdensome we have as much right to leave it as anyone else.

The Indians have used high tariffs to protect their own industries against American goods for decades.

Now that they're ( finally !!! ) getting a taste of their own medicine they're running to the Dark Side for relief.

But now that they've shown their True Colors for even the worst dullard to discern, they've lost all credibility in our eyes.

Given how often and how long the Indians have been sleeping with the Russians, their friendship was never "real" anyway.

The Chinese are the only Top Tier country in that gaggle...

And they'll go broke carrying the Russians and Indians and North Koreans and Brazilians...

Let 'em...

As for the Indians and their feckless disloyal nature... good riddance to bad rubbish...

 

[Foxfyre]

I think it's pretty obvious which of us was fooled around here:

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THIS IS NOT A NAZI SALUTE

you ******* Nazi apologist.

So I started reading this thread to see if there was anything worthwhile here, but. . .

Lefties don't take much scratching below the surface to show what you really are, i.e. propagandists to the core. That would include the OP that was just an excuse to spew anti-Americanism wasn't it?

But as for the OP, leftists who call themselves economists are no different than any other propagandists.

I wish people who would take Elon's heartfelt heart throw out of its actual context and maliciously portray it as a Nazi salute would just renounce their American or whatever other citizenship and move to someplace wonderful like North Korea.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

So what did Powell say and how do you know he's right about it yet wrong about rates? Clearly his "expert" status isn't that good if he's right about tariffs yet wrong about rates?

You cited expertise, yet when it comes to rates ignore that expertise - is he an expert or not??

I am only saying what the renowned expert on the economy said. Your comments about interest rates is an intended deflection and diversion.

But suppose you tell me how the tariffs hurt you personally or how it has affected the economy, gas prices, food, etc.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

WE define what is "fair" when it comes to our own business dealings.

No, that's not what fair actually means, this is one definition:

impartial and just, without favoritism or discrimination.

Discriminating against the rest of the world (by running away from the democratic WTO and imposing huge tariffs) is hardly "fair".

There's also no such thing as "our own business dealings" when trading with other nations.

We need no outsiders to define that for us.

Well to the rest of the WTO the US has become the outsider, acting unilaterally and refusing to abide by the democratic WTO votes.

The Indians have used high tariffs to protect their own industries against American goods for decades.

Part of the reason for high India tariffs is coercion from Washington, geopolitical pressure like (for example) insisting India does not buy Russian oil, that's unfair.

What business is it of trump's where India buys its oil?

 

[sartre play]

You are not worth the effort, but there are photos of democrats with the same pose

Don't waste my time on some of the silly stuff both party's do like arm movements or made up lies.
Have to chock it up to political party propaganda, then dig for honest info.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's a down to earth summary of what's been going on between the US and EU recently:

 

[Kondor3]

No, that's not what fair actually means, this is one definition:

I did not serve-up a definition of "fair".

I said that WE will determine what is "fair" with respect to our own business dealings.

Discriminating against the rest of the world (by running away from the democratic WTO and imposing huge tariffs) is hardly "fair".

Beginning to distance ourselves from the WTO is not "discriminating"...

It merely means that we are no longer in thrall to that organization and its unfair adjudications and practices...

As to tariffs... are we not masters of our own nation and its trade policies?

Given how many unfair tariffs and protections have been in-place against American goods for many decades...

Painful corrective measures are unavoidable and necessary to the survival and thriving of the American economy...

Calling these "unfair" is now (rightfully, overdue) falling on deaf American ears... have-at... we will do as we see fit...

There's also no such thing as "our own business dealings" when trading with other nations.

Rubbish... smaller nations always take the globalist approach... larger, more powerful nations need not do so...

Well to the rest of the WTO the US has become the outsider, acting unilaterally and refusing to abide by the democratic WTO.

Then so be it... we take care of our own first... especially until the WTO stops allowing one-sided protections by others...

Part of the reason for high India tariffs is coercion from Washington, geopolitical pressure like (for example) insisting India does not buy Russian oil, that's unfair.

Yeah... that's right... it's better than sending the US Air Force to hammer Russian ground positions in Ukraine, yes?

If the Indians insist upon helping to fund the Russian aggression in Ukraine then the Indians can go phukk themselves.

What business is it of trump's where India buys its oil?

We tend to take a dim view of feckless disloyal self-serving $hitheads who help to fuel aggressive war against Europe.

For all intents and purposes, the United States is Nova Europa... founded-by and populated largely by Euro-descendants.

Mess with Europe and you pi$$-off the United States.

Funnel money to those making war on Europe and you lose the friendship of the United States.

The Indians knew this all-too-well even before they made this latest move, so... this is what they want, this is what they get.

Message received, India... you were never very good or reliable or loyal friends anyway, so... phukk off.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

No, that's not what fair actually means, this is one definition:


Discriminating against the rest of the world (by running away from the democratic WTO and imposing huge tariffs) is hardly "fair".

There's also no such thing as "our own business dealings" when trading with other nations.

Well to the rest of the WTO the US has become the outsider, acting unilaterally and refusing to abide by the democratic WTO votes.

Part of the reason for high India tariffs is coercion from Washington, geopolitical pressure like (for example) insisting India does not buy Russian oil, that's unfair.

What business is it of trump's where India buys its oil?

Who said your life is supposed to be fair?

 

[Kondor3]

Iran will hit back at some point. We likely don’t have the intel capabilities we once did to discover it thanks to Trump’s behavior.

Just out of curiosity... how has Trump's behavior diminished our intel-capabilities with respect to Iran? Serious question.

 

[Nostra]

Tons of world leaders meet with Trump in the White House.

I guess they didn’t get the Wokester Cult talking points.

Foreign Leaders Oval Office Visits

www.c-span.org

 

[Nostra]

The - democratic - WTO defines "fair" so why did we leave?

The WTO is a corrupt, useless money pit.

No wonder you worship it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I did not serve-up a definition of "fair".

I said that WE will determine what is "fair" with respect to our own business dealings.


Beginning to distance ourselves from the WTO is not "discriminating"...

It merely means that we are no longer in thrall to that organization and its unfair adjudications and practices...

As to tariffs... are we not masters of our own nation and its trade policies?

Given how many unfair tariffs and protections have been in-place against American goods for many decades...

Painful corrective measures are unavoidable and necessary to the survival and thriving of the American economy...

Calling these "unfair" is now (rightfully, overdue) falling on deaf American ears... have-at... we will do as we see fit...


Rubbish... smaller nations always take the globalist approach... larger, more powerful nations need not do so...

Then so be it... we take care of our own first... especially until the WTO stops allowing one-sided protections by others...

Yeah... that's right... it's better than sending the US Air Force to hammer Russian ground positions in Ukraine, yes?

If the Indians insist upon helping to fund the Russian aggression in Ukraine then the Indians can go phukk themselves.

But the US has been funding the Ukraine war even before hostilities broke out, the war would end tomorrow if trump simply pulled out, Ukraine would capitulate and the war would soon end.

Russian isn't the aggressor in Ukraine, it faces an existential threat from NATO pretty much everyone sees that, they warned decades ago that if NATO encroached on the Russian border then they would start to mass troops - they simply did what they said (for decades) what they'd do.

We tend to take a dim view of feckless disloyal self-serving $hitheads who help to fuel aggressive war against Europe.

How does sending billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine not qualify as "fueling aggressive war"?

For all intents and purposes, the United States is Nova Europa... founded-by and populated largely by Euro-descendants.

Mess with Europe and you pi$$-off the United States.

Who's "messing with Europe"?

Funnel money to those making war on Europe and you lose the friendship of the United States.

With whom is Europe "at war"?

The Indians knew this all-too-well even before they made this latest move, so... this is what they want, this is what they get.

Message received, India... you were never very good or reliable or loyal friends anyway, so... phukk off.

You sound like you view global geopolitics like an old John Wayne movie.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The WTO is a corrupt, useless money pit.

Like US congress is becoming, time to scrap that too?

No wonder you worship it.

My dear fellow the WTO was created with a lot of input from the US, nobody forced the US to join, it knows the rules, it has a vote but hasn't paid its dues for 2024 or 2025 yet, 25 million bucks.

The US is not a team player, it pretends to be but as soon as it can't get its own way it throws a hissy fit and blames all the other teams for being "unfair", yet they all play by the same WTO rules.

 

[westwall]

I hope that's the racism out of the way...

We spend two trillion dollars a year more than we bring in, how is that everybody's fault but ours?

Please come back when you have something relevant to say about the OP.

What's racist about describing well known behaviors?

 

[westwall]

Like US congress is becoming, time to scrap that too?

My dear fellow the WTO was created with a lot of input from the US, nobody forced the US to join, it knows the rules, it has a vote but hasn't paid its dues for 2024 or 2025 yet, 25 million bucks.

The US is not a team player, it pretends to be but as soon as it can't get its own way it throws a hissy fit and blames all the other teams for being "unfair", yet they all play by the same WTO rules.

The US has been paying for the rest of the world for long enough.

Time for you children to grow up and put on your big boy pants.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

Only an idiot liberal would assert the usa is in decline because of Trump, i mean tds. We're much better than the prior 4 yes.

******* liberals, everyday is opposite day

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The US has been paying for the rest of the world for long enough.

Time for you children to grow up and put on your big boy pants.

The US government spends two trillion dollars a year MORE than they bring in, there's a clock ticking...time for Americans to tighten their belts.

US debt reaches $37 trillion years before expected

In January 2020, the CBO estimated that gross federal debt would not surpass $37 trillion until after fiscal year 2030.

www.newsweek.com

 

[westwall]

The US government spends two trillion dollars a year MORE than they bring in, there's a clock ticking...

US debt reaches $37 trillion years before expected

In January 2020, the CBO estimated that gross federal debt would not surpass $37 trillion until after fiscal year 2030.

www.newsweek.com

No shit. And we spend it on YOU people.

Time for that to end.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No shit. And we spend it on YOU people.

Me? I don't think so, they spend it on US arms manufacturers and they have to borrow in order to spend, our nation lives off a giant credit card.

Time for that to end.

What if the dollar devalues? what if your saved thousands of dollars halves in buying power, what will you do? I can leave, but you can't...

 

[Kondor3]

...if trump simply pulled out, Ukraine would capitulate and the war would soon end.

Rubbish.

Russian isn't the aggressor in Ukraine

Rubbish, Tvaritch.

it faces an existential threat from NATO

If that were true then NATO would have gone to war against Russia in the 1991-1995 time frame.

It did not.

Russia merely seeks to revive its Imperial past.

You're not fooling anybody, Tvaritch.

...How does sending billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine not qualify as "fueling aggressive war"?

The West is fueling a DEFENSIVE war... Russia attacked... not Ukraine... you could use a class in Logic at Moscow University.

Who's "messing with Europe"?

If you have to ask that question then you do not have the interest of The West at heart.

With whom is Europe "at war"?

If you have to ask that question then you do not have the interest of The West at heart.

You sound like you view global geopolitics like an old John Wayne movie.

Spare us your outdated analogies, Tavaritch... you're not fooling anyone...