Increasing US isolation

The OP is exactly right. What Trump is doing to American standing around the world is self-inflicted.

After 30 years of convincing India to become allies with the West, Trump has singlehandedly and in less than 6 months pushed them into the hands of the Chinese and Russians.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear Trump was an agent for the Chinese or Russians.

 
The OP is exactly right. What Trump is doing to American standing around the world is self-inflicted.

After 30 years of convincing India to become allies with the West, Trump has singlehandedly and in less than 6 months pushed them into the hands of the Chinese and Russians.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear Trump was an agent for the Chinese or Russians.

So foreign leaders shouldn't talk to one another?
 
The OP is exactly right. What Trump is doing to American standing around the world is self-inflicted.
It's this incredibly small-minded worldview that has completely consumed the GQP, that we don't need anyone for anything.

I don't know what creates that, I don't know what makes them so afraid of the rest of the world.

But the damage done by Trump may not be reversable. New alliances are being formed and the world will now just view us as the world's 7-11, good only for transactions when they can't find another source. Otherwise, we can go to hell.

It's a global economy now and AI will only make it happen more quickly. America alone. I don't get it. It doesn't have to be that way.
 
It's this incredibly small-minded worldview that has completely consumed the GQP, that we don't need anyone for anything.

I don't know what creates that, I don't know what makes them so afraid of the rest of the world.

But the damage done by Trump may not be reversable. New alliances are being formed and the world will now just view us as the world's 7-11, good only for transactions when they can't find another source. Otherwise, we can go to hell.

It's a global economy now and AI will only make it happen more quickly. America alone. I don't get it. It doesn't have to be that way.
What a pantload.
 
So foreign leaders shouldn't talk to one another?
It is one thing to talk to foreign leaders; it is another thing to push another country into alliances that are adverse to our own interests, as Russia and China are to America's.
 
I think it's pretty obvious which of us was fooled around here:

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THIS IS NOT A NAZI SALUTE

you ******* Nazi apologist.
False. The one shown by Hitler is.

The one you have — showing Musk — is not. And it never was.

Why do you always relie on lies?
 
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It is one thing to talk to foreign leaders; it is another thing to push another country into alliances that are adverse to our own interests, as Russia and China are to America's.
China & Russia have a deep distrust of one another that traces back centuries.

The hyperventilation over a few meetings is absurd.
 
So, the fed chief who also agreed with Sachs before and recently admitted he was wrong doesn't matter to you? All these overeducated snobs like him said tariffs were ruinous and now have shut up, Sachs should follow them.
Nobody has shut up, you just don't listen to them.
 
I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.


The Indians are feckless and disloyal and change sides at the drop of a hat... they stand for nothing... no surprise there.

India is another country that has taken-advantage of the US for decades and the split-second the US imposes tariffs on them in order to begin to correct decades of unfair trade practices and imbalances the feckless Indians jump ship and flip-flop again.

The Indians have been sleeping with the Russians off-and-on since 1947 anyway... they and the Chinese can't stand each other and eventually this newfound 'partnership' will fall apart as the unreliable disloyal Indians change sides again in the future.

As predictable as the tides.
 
The Indians are feckless and disloyal and change sides at the drop of a hat... they stand for nothing... no surprise there.
I hope that's the racism out of the way...
India is another country that has taken-advantage of the US for decades and the split-second the US imposes tariffs on them in order to begin to correct decades of unfair trade practices and imbalances the feckless Indians jump ship and flip-flop again.
We spend two trillion dollars a year more than we bring in, how is that everybody's fault but ours?
The Indians have been sleeping with the Russians off-and-on since 1947 anyway... they and the Chinese can't stand each other and eventually this newfound 'partnership' will fall apart as the unreliable disloyal Indians change sides again.

As predictable as the tides.
Please come back when you have something relevant to say about the OP.
 
Like you didn't listen to the expert Fed Chief who said Trump was right about tariffs, and he was wrong?
If he was right about that then he's right about maintaining current interest rates, yes? and trump is wrong about rates, yes?
 
If he was right about that then he's right about maintaining current interest rates, yes? and trump is wrong about rates, yes?
Why would you say that?> Why do you and the Dems always use false equivalences. Based on your premise, because someone is right on one thing, he must also be right on everything else.

Do you see how crazy that is?
 
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Why would you say that?> Why do you and the Dems always use false equivalences. Based on your premise, because someone is right on one thing, he must also be right on everything else.

Do you see how crazy that is?
So what did Powell say and how do you know he's right about it yet wrong about rates? Clearly his "expert" status isn't that good if he's right about tariffs yet wrong about rates?

You cited expertise, yet when it comes to rates ignore that expertise - is he an expert or not??
 
Simply charging other nations a tariff, something these same nations have been doing to American companies for 80 years is NOT some form of isolationism. Nor standing up to centralized communist nations.

The assertion is absurd and pushed by people who want America to collapse. You have $37T in debt so pick your poison, massive tax increases, the loss of your social nets through deep cuts, and/or invading other nations for their resources. Of course there is the last option, hyper inflation to pay the debt and lose the U.S reserve currency status.

Of these three, I'd say informed Americans would be far more supportive of tariffs.

Ditto for support for Israel, which has been U.S policy for decades. America must call them out if they risk everyones reputation or violate the Geneva Convention but the general consensus is "Israel is a democracy with a stable government, Judeo-Christian (yes, Jesus was probably promoting 80% fidelity to the Torah) and elected governments. They are, for the most part (even as I hear so many former CIA and others call out Israel for abuses) a U.S ally." As with any nation (including Canada or the U.K), America has to hold them to account if they endanger American interests. None of this is new. The U.S has been backing Israel for many decades and they share intelligence.

America can and should rule the world as long as it is a benevolent global leader for peace, operating in a manner to ensure peace among nations and prevent bullying and/or WWIII from breaking out.

I want peace everywhere. I wish there wasn't any evil in the world. Peace through strength is a real concept as Reagan drove home. America doesn't need to get entangled in every war but it must remain the paramount nation to prevent it.

I'd also argue it should promote its Constitution and defend it domestically and around the world. If every other nation operated under a similar U.S Constitution, the U.S (and some other Western nations) would be 3x the economy it is today,

Hey Canadian, instead of us parsing all your piles of bs, why don’t you just tells us about all that Canadian love for US since Trump 2.0.
 
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I hope that's the racism out of the way...
Nothing to do with racism... the Indians are feckless friends and allies who change sides at the drop of a hat...

If it wasn't us beginning to effectively resist unfair trading practices the Indians would find another time-and-reason...

We spend two trillion dollars a year more than we bring in, how is that everybody's fault but ours?
Irrelevant to whether or not the Indians have engaged in unfair trading practices against the US for decades.

Please come back when you have something relevant to say about the OP.
What I've already said is entirely relevant to the issue of increasing US isolation... as we resist unfair trading practices.

Your inability to make that connection is not my problem.
 
Nothing to do with racism... the Indians are feckless friends and allies who change sides at the drop of a hat...

If it wasn't us beginning to effectively resist unfair trading practices the Indians would find another time-and-reason...

Irrelevant to whether or not the Indians have engaged in unfair trading practices against the US for decades.


What I've already said is entirely relevant to the issue of increasing US isolation... as we resist unfair trading practices.

Your inability to make that connection is not my problem.
The - democratic - WTO defines "fair" so why did we leave?
 

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