in the US civil war

[AZrailwhale]

You say 'Citizens of the USA were taking action against slavery in violation of American Law'. What Law? And where were 'Citizens' doing this?

You say the 'slave states 'Were' treated as equals with the non-slave states'. How? Show me where that was true.

Quantrill

Do your own research, you will discount or ignore any that I provide.

 

[Quantrill]

Do your own research, you will discount or ignore any that I provide.

In other words, you made statements you cannot back up.

In other words, if you can't support your statements, you don't know what you're talking about.

In other words, you are a perfect example of those who have breathed the smoke blown up their backside, but when asked to produce the evidence, they can't.

I do the research, which is why I asked. I am not scared of the answer. You and those of your ilk are.

Keep breathing that smoke. Smoked crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In other words, you made statements you cannot back up.

In other words, if you can't support your statements, you don't know what you're talking about.

In other words, you are a perfect example of those who have breathed the smoke blown up their backside, but when asked to produce the evidence, they can't.

I do the research, which is why I asked. I am not scared of the answer. You and those of your ilk are.

Keep breathing that smoke. Smoked crawfish.

Quantrill

you dont research you read confederate supporters propaganda.

 

[Quantrill]

you dont research you read confederate supporters propaganda.

And what 'propaganda' would that be? You made the statement, list the propaganda I have quoted from.

Then, list what you have quoted from.

Quantrill

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And what 'propaganda' would that be? You made the statement, list the propaganda I have quoted from.

Then, list what you have quoted from.

Quantrill

your claim that the fort attacked by the Confederacy at Charleston was South Carolina property was one the claim that Lincoln was trying to ban slavery is another

 

[Quantrill]

your claim that the fort attacked by the Confederacy at Charleston was South Carolina property was one the claim that Lincoln was trying to ban slavery is another

Concerning the forts, secession was/is not propaganda.

Concerning Lincoln and slavery: Lincoln said in his famous 'house divided' speech: "We are now far into the fifth year since a policy was initiated with the avowed object and confident promise of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently. half slave and half free...It will become all one thing or all the other." (Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p. 1)

William Seward, a radical abolitionist said in his 'irrepressible conflict' speech: "Shall I tell you what this collision means? They who think that it is accidental, unnecessary, the work of interested or fanatical agitators and therefore ephemeral, mistake the case altogether. It is an irrepressible conflict between opposing and enduring forces, and it means that the United States must and will, sooner or later, become either entirely a slaveholding nation or either a free-labor nation." (The Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p. 33)

Seward goes on to say in same speech: "At last the Republican Party has appeared. It avows now, as the Republican party of 1800 did, in one word, its faith and its works, Equal and exact justice to all men...It lies in the fact that it is a party of one idea...the idea of equality....I know, and you know, that a revolution has begun. I know, and all the world knows, that revolutions never go backward." (Annals of America, Vol. 9, p.35)

Seward goes on to say in same speech: "While the government of the United States, under the conduct of the Democratic party, has been all that time surrendering one plain and castle after another to slavery, the people of the United States have been no less steadily and perseveringly gathering together the forces with which to recover back again all the fields and all the castles which have been lost, and to confound and overthrow, by one decisive blow, the betrayers of the Constitution and freedom forever. (Annals of America, Vol. 9, p.35)

And Lincoln appointed this radical abolitionist as his Secretary of State.

No propaganda here.

Quantrill

 

[RetiredGySgt]

and yet when the south left the Union Lincoln offered lots of things to bring them back including a promise not to attempt to end slavery sure sounds like he was trying to preserve the Union to me and not end slavery,

 

[Quantrill]

and yet when the south left the Union Lincoln offered lots of things to bring them back including a promise not to attempt to end slavery sure sounds like he was trying to preserve the Union to me and not end slavery,

Lincoln talked out of both sides of his mouth. His promises to the South as they were seceding were just to stop them from seceding. His goal to remove slavery completely never changed. He knew war would remove any such promises he made.

As you can see, the South didn't believe his empty promises.

And Lincoln brought the war he needed to bring about the crisis that would end with his goal obtained.

Quantrill

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Lincoln talked out of both sides of his mouth. His promises to the South as they were seceding were just to stop them from seceding. His goal to remove slavery completely never changed. He knew war would remove any such promises he made.

As you can see, the South didn't believe his empty promises.

And Lincoln brought the war he needed to bring about the crisis that would end with his goal obtained.

Quantrill

you are an idiot Lincoln tried everything to bring those states back peacefully. He even offered an amendment to the Constitution that would enshrine slavery in it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Lincoln talked out of both sides of his mouth. His promises to the South as they were seceding were just to stop them from seceding. His goal to remove slavery completely never changed. He knew war would remove any such promises he made.

As you can see, the South didn't believe his empty promises.

And Lincoln brought the war he needed to bring about the crisis that would end with his goal obtained.

Quantrill

The South started the war to keep their rape murdering their slaves. They got slaughtered for it. Get over it.

 

[Quantrill]

you are an idiot Lincoln tried everything to bring those states back peacefully. He even offered an amendment to the Constitution that would enshrine slavery in it.

Yes, Lincoln would try everything to stop the secession, even lie and make promises he worded in ways as to leave him room to not keep them. Because he had no intention of the U.S. being half slave and half free as I have already showed you. And his Republican Cabinet had abolitionist's in it.

Read post #(126) again. His Secretary of State had said the aboliton of slavery was a revolution where there was no turning back from. The conflict that was coming, war, was 'irrepressible', what Lincoln labeled the 'crisis reached and passed'. As I said, Lincoln could promise anything knowing war would remove any obligation to that promise.

Lincoln did not offer the amendment. Congress did. Of that amendment he said: "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress....holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." (Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopadia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p. 255)

Those words, 'however, I have not seen' and 'to now be implied' leave room for backing away from it later.

Either way Lincoln is a liar and can't be believed. If you believe him on this 13th amendment, you don't believe him in his 'house divided speech'. You can believe his actions. And Lincoln had appointed strong abolitionists to his cabinet.

Quantrill

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, Lincoln would try everything to stop the secession, even lie and make promises he worded in ways as to leave him room to not keep them. Because he had no intention of the U.S. being half slave and half free as I have already showed you. And his Republican Cabinet had abolitionist's in it.

Read post #(126) again. His Secretary of State had said the aboliton of slavery was a revolution where there was no turning back from. The conflict that was coming, war, was 'irrepressible', what Lincoln labeled the 'crisis reached and passed'. As I said, Lincoln could promise anything knowing war would remove any obligation to that promise.

Lincoln did not offer the amendment. Congress did. Of that amendment he said: "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress....holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." (Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopadia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p. 255)

Those words, 'however, I have not seen' and 'to now be implied' leave room for backing away from it later.

Either way Lincoln is a liar and can't be believed. If you believe him on this 13th amendment, you don't believe him in his 'house divided speech'. You can believe his actions. And Lincoln had appointed strong abolitionists to his cabinet.

Quantrill

You and the rest of the Souths apologists are stupid. You red propaganda and buy into the bullshit and then ignore the facts that show you are wrong. I would feel sorry for you but your support of slavery negates any such feelings.

 

[Quantrill]

You and the rest of the Souths apologists are stupid. You red propaganda and buy into the bullshit and then ignore the facts that show you are wrong. I would feel sorry for you but your support of slavery negates any such feelings.

I didn't give you propaganda. I gave you what Lincoln actually said and I gave you the source where you could look it up.

You, however give nothing but what's been blown up your backside. You just believe all that has been told you.

Awww...your lack of sympathy for me just really tears me up.

Just keep belching that smoke gunny.

Quantrill

 

[Zebra]

So Quantrill's terrorists were out of the question for your support?

Quantrill is now writing here in person!