in the US civil war

[AZrailwhale]

That is of course true and America got strong through high wages and own consumption.
But if you have a slave economy, a long process is needed to change that.

And if the slave states had been willing to go through the process, the Federal Government would have assisted in offsetting the fiscal effects just like it did with slave owners in slave states that stayed in the Union. Instead, they decided to go to war.

 

[Bleipriester]

And if the slave states had been willing to go through the process, the Federal Government would have assisted in offsetting the fiscal effects just like it did with slave owners in slave states that stayed in the Union. Instead, they decided to go to war.

Did they really go to war or just secede and the north went to war?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Did they really go to war or just secede and the north went to war?

the Confederates attacked the Federal Goverment at Charlston Harbor until that happened Lincoln had no called up troops and taken no overt action against the rebelling states

 

[BothWings]

I would have headed west and prospected for gold.

 

[longly]

The James Brothers were part of his gang and yet Hollywood made them out to be Saints, the Confederates had a POW camp at Andersonville Georgia that held 45000 Union prisoners, from what i have read it sounded like Dachau.

The commandant of Andersonville was tried and executed; however, the Union operated prisons in which over 25,000 Confederate soldiers died—either directly or through neglect—and no one was ever held accountable. That injustice, along with the abuses during the occupation, lingered in Southern memory and contributed to the resentment that shaped how Black Americans were treated after Reconstruction.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Slavery was only protected in slave states. ALL the new states and territories banned the importation or ownership of slaves. It was only a matter of time until slavery was declared illegal by a Constitutional Amendment. The slave states had already lost their stranglehold over the Federal Government and could see the handwriting on the wall. Their fields were depleted by over farming, their slaves were becoming more expensive by the day to own and the "fugitive slave clause" of the Constitution was being ignored by the non-slave states to a large degree with local officials turning a blind eye to the operations of the Underground Railway and obstruction the activities of southern slave catchers in non-slave states.

Two words: Dredd Scott

 

[Quantrill]

And if the slave states had been willing to go through the process, the Federal Government would have assisted in offsetting the fiscal effects just like it did with slave owners in slave states that stayed in the Union. Instead, they decided to go to war.

Really? What do you base that on?

Quantrill

 

[Deadstick]

The commandant of Andersonville was tried and executed; however, the Union operated prisons in which over 25,000 Confederate soldiers died—either directly or through neglect—and no one was ever held accountable. That injustice, along with the abuses during the occupation, lingered in Southern memory and contributed to the resentment that shaped how Black Americans were treated after Reconstruction.

I have no doubt the Union also had POW camps where crimes were carried out, the very nature of civil wars tends to be more savage than any war, the English Civil war was the same sometimes families split fighting on opposing sides.
After Cromwells death and the Monarchy was restored the family of King Charles had Cromwells body dug up and had it mutilated and his head put on a spike.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I disagree with your sarcasm. Although most slaves had better lives than the poor, free immigrants in the sweat shops of the north who were free to die from starvation, illness and accident at no cost to their employers. Even under those circumstances almost all people would choose freedom over slavery.

The point is that they idnt have that choice. The confederates denied them that.

 

[JWBooth]

No shame, no hesitation, no remorse, I stand with Texas, and Texas cast her lot with the Confederacy.

 

[mikegriffith1]

would you support the North or the South..?

i would support the North

I am glad the North won, but Reconstruction was a disaster. Lincoln's death meant the end to a reasonable, unifying Reconstruction and opened the door to a vindictive, unjust Reconstruction.

The Southern Fire-Eaters who spread ridiculous lies about Lincoln during the 1860 election should have been imprisoned for life. Lincoln had no intention of fomenting slave revolts and had no interest in abolishing slavery where it already existed.

Southern apologists usually fail to mention that after the 1860 election, the South still controlled the Senate, and that the Republicans actually lost seats in the House. If Southern hotheads had not rushed into secession after the election, the South could have blocked any unwanted legislation in the Senate. But, when Southern senators resigned from the Senate, the Republicans gained control, and when Southern congressmen resigned from the House, the Republicans increased their majority.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Really? What do you base that on?

Quantrill

The fact rhat the federal government did just that for northern slave owner

 

[AZrailwhale]

The point is that they idnt have that choice. The confederates denied them that.

I agree. No sane person can claim that slavery was a good thing even in the 1860s

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I agree. No sane person can claim that slavery was a good thing even in the 1860s

That was the confederacys only policy

 

[Zincwarrior]

Which the North cared nothing about, other then they didn't want all those freed slaves to come North.

Quantrill

Who are you voting for Quantrill?

 

[Quantrill]

The fact rhat the federal government did just that for northern slave owner

The Federal govt. only did it for the District of Columbia and that was 1862, already in the war. And Lincoln's famous 'Emancipation Proclamation', a year later, wouldn't look good while there was slaves still in Washington.

There was never any intention for the Fed. govt. to offer the South Compensated Emancipation. He offered it to border states in hopes they would not secede. And they did not secede. But neither did they take up Lincoln's offer. And even then what was offered was a bird song....cheap, cheap, cheap.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I am glad the North won, but Reconstruction was a disaster. Lincoln's death meant the end to a reasonable, unifying Reconstruction and opened the door to a vindictive, unjust Reconstruction.

The Southern Fire-Eaters who spread ridiculous lies about Lincoln during the 1860 election should have been imprisoned for life. Lincoln had no intention of fomenting slave revolts and had no interest in abolishing slavery where it already existed.

Southern apologists usually fail to mention that after the 1860 election, the South still controlled the Senate, and that the Republicans actually lost seats in the House. If Southern hotheads had not rushed into secession after the election, the South could have blocked any unwanted legislation in the Senate. But, when Southern senators resigned from the Senate, the Republicans gained control, and when Southern congressmen resigned from the House, the Republicans increased their majority.

Lincoln's Emancpation Proclamation was nothing but inciting the slaves in the South to rise up and kill their white masters and their families. And Lincoln had every intention of abolishing slavery in the U.S.

Lincoln was the one who lied. Lincoln talked out of both sides of his mouth. Did he not say in a speech that the U.S. would either be all slave or all free in his 'house divided speech'? And Lincoln was against slavery. And Lincoln appointed Seward as his Secretary of State, who was a radical abolitionist, and made his speech also claiming the U.S. was heading for an 'irresistable conflict'.

Lincoln's promises to the South were empty and could not be trusted.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

The point is that they idnt have that choice. The confederates denied them that.

As did those Northern states, like New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland.

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

Ok, so only JW Booth stated he supports the CSA at this point. Quantrill has not opined.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok, so only JW Booth stated he supports the CSA at this point. Quantrill has not opined.

he is a coward that won't admit that he supports slavery.