In California, 3,000 votes were recorded from an empty dorm building

[CowboyTed]

This settles it - Trump won California!

I think an Arizona style fraudit is in order for Cali, because we all know trump would have actually won Cali if it wasn't for illegals voting.

You will piss your pants when you hear the results of the Maricopa county audit....

Not really…

it is not an audit… it is pantomime… it is an embarrassment to Arizona and to the GOP…
They lost chain of custody in the first week and there has been constant use of black and blue pens on the count floor…
Let them comeback but it is not an audit or anything like one

 

[DrLove]

This settles it - Trump won California!

I think an Arizona style fraudit is in order for Cali, because we all know trump would have actually won Cali if it wasn't for illegals voting.

You will piss your pants when you hear the results of the Maricopa county audit....

Not really…

it is not an audit… it is pantomime… it is an embarrassment to Arizona and to the GOP…
They lost chain of custody in the first week and there has been constant use of black and blue pens on the count floor…
Let them comeback but it is not an audit or anything like one

The Fraudit is a complete shit show doing real damage to both the GOP and to the country.
Take it to the back 40 and put it out of its misery - PRONTO

 

[Rigby5]

An audit of California would, ultimately, be a complete waste of time. Even if Biden got six times the number of votes that there are US citizens in California or one, the 55 EVs were always going to go to him.

It only makes sense to audit swing states.

Strange how none of the blob supporters are demanding audits in states where the blob won.

You guys ARE for election security right?

I've always been a fan of "The Blob" ... The 1958 version, not the terrible 1988 remake ... I consider it one of Steve McQueen's best roles and it was a high-water mark in cinematic horror / sci fi ... but, I don't see what that has to do with election audits.

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I guess when you got nothing to counter with, you have to resort to satire....

When you have nothing to counter with you put people on ignore like a coward. I prefer satire. Especially when your corpse is our president.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to put someone who has nothing to contribute to the discussions, on ignore. Other than worshipping Trump, lying, insulting other posters, what knowledge, insight, or sanity have you ever contributed to a discussion?

Trumpy and worship and hatred of anyone who doesn’t see things as you do is all you have. That’s why I call you a FuckBoi.

Nope. Its not. You’re an overt antisemite and I do not put you on ignore. Why? I am not a fan of cancel culture.

AZOG the Israeli spy speaks

You’re still alive? Ugh world will be a better place when you’re not, traitor.

AZOG in tears,, his murderer pal Netanyahu is OUT

So what would your solution in Israel be? Do tell, old man.

Three possible solutions.

1. Its too late for this one, but the European Jewish refugees likely should have gone somewhere else. Their idea of the Mideast is mythical and horrifically Old Testament, so they likely will never fit into a modern Mideast. But too many have been born there by not for this to be valid any more.

2. A single state solution is to allow the Arab right of return and simply have elections, where all 12 million Moslems and all 6 million Jews votes. I see nothing to indicate there is any possible harm to anyone over this solution, except that many Jewish settlements will have to give back or pay back for the land that was owned by Moslem Arabs.

3. A two state solution is for Israelis to evacuate the Palestine side of the 1948 UN partition. There is no way for Israel to legally occupy Jerusalem or any of the Palestine side of the 1948 UN partition, because that would be rewarding brutal genocide and illegal invasion. Those forcibly displaces have to either be allowed to return to their properties, or compensated.

What we have to remember is this is NOT about countries.
This is only about individual rights, like home ownership, having homes stolen, the right to vote, the right to travel, the right to be secure.
And the UN could easily go a long way into policing individual rights so that no government prejudice took over again.

 

[Rigby5]

How about stop stealing their land ,,,,for starters That'd be a great start

Palestinians don't own any land.

The Palestinians own over 95% of the land.
Just go back to the 1920 census data collected by the British.
Immigrating and native Jews purchased less than 5% of the land.

 

[Rigby5]

An audit of California would, ultimately, be a complete waste of time. Even if Biden got six times the number of votes that there are US citizens in California or one, the 55 EVs were always going to go to him.

It only makes sense to audit swing states.

Strange how none of the blob supporters are demanding audits in states where the blob won.

You guys ARE for election security right?

I've always been a fan of "The Blob" ... The 1958 version, not the terrible 1988 remake ... I consider it one of Steve McQueen's best roles and it was a high-water mark in cinematic horror / sci fi ... but, I don't see what that has to do with election audits.

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I guess when you got nothing to counter with, you have to resort to satire....

When you have nothing to counter with you put people on ignore like a coward. I prefer satire. Especially when your corpse is our president.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to put someone who has nothing to contribute to the discussions, on ignore. Other than worshipping Trump, lying, insulting other posters, what knowledge, insight, or sanity have you ever contributed to a discussion?

Trumpy and worship and hatred of anyone who doesn’t see things as you do is all you have. That’s why I call you a FuckBoi.

Nope. Its not. You’re an overt antisemite and I do not put you on ignore. Why? I am not a fan of cancel culture.

AZOG the Israeli spy speaks

You’re still alive? Ugh world will be a better place when you’re not, traitor.

AZOG in tears,, his murderer pal Netanyahu is OUT

So what would your solution in Israel be? Do tell, old man.

How about stop stealing their land ,,,,for starters That'd be a great start

That’s not a solution. Next?

Sure it is.
Recognizing individual rights is a cornerstone of any law, and it is the constant violation of individual rights that is the source of all the violence.
This is just the largest and grossest of first steps.
Refinement has to start from there.

 

[Rigby5]

As usual, you are being played by right wing fake news counting on your lack of knowledge of how voting and absentee ballots work.

When people order an absentee ballot, they order it from the precinct they are registered to vote in.

Their vote counts in the precinct they are registered in, the absentee ballot is sent to where the voter is temporarily staying that the voter requested it to be sent.

The article tries to fool you, implying ballots were sent to the dorm, but the info only tells them, that the voters are registered in that precinct, not that the ballots were mailed there.

Every absentee ballot counted has a signature verification as well....

Thus the article is once again, FAKE NEWS.

When people go to college and live in a dorm---they are only there temporarily but are allowed to vote there because they live there for school. If they weren't living in the dorms, then they legally can not vote in that district.

These full-time students were registered to vote in the precinct. If not for the pandemic they would’ve been living in the dorms. They were simply away from their residences waiting for them to reopen but having paid tuition they were still entitled to live there. Therefore they were still entitled to vote there since they haven’t moved, unless they were voting in their parents’ home district.

Yet another failed attempt by the alt-right to claim voter fraud where a perfectly rational explanation exists for their “clear cases of voter fraud”.

Conservatives are very limited in their thinking. How often do you see a question posted by a conservative with only two possible answers: You’re either in favour of the Wall or you support open borders. If you support reproductive choice, you favour abortion. It’s always either/or. If you oppose voter ID laws, you oppose election security.

You can oppose the Wall and open borders. There are OTHER ways of dealing with the Souther Border.

Any form of government issued ID is adequate for voting. Republicans are willing to spend $100 million dollars on voter ID, and nothing on ensuring EVERY American citizen can easily register to vote, and vote. Instead of making voting harder and harder, you should be making it easier.

Because of the pandemic, it was easier to vote in this election that in any previous election in American history. It’s no accident that this election has the highest turn out of the electorate in American history. Every oversight board called it the fairest safest election in American history. What happened this time should be replicated and enhanced.

Instead the republican party is seeking to limit who can vote, when they can vote and how they can vote because they lost. Instead of coming up with programs and policies to appeal to a wider swath of the electorate, Republicans have chosen to try to lie and cheat.

It does not matter where you have paid to live---if you don't live there, you don't get to vote there. Why is this so hard for you nuts to get?

Wrong.
Palestinians don't pay rent, they only pay taxes.
They purchased their land thousands of years ago.
The invading Ottoman Empire did not displace anyone or make anyone start paying rent.
They just made them pay taxes.
The proof the Palestinians owned the land and lived there is that they constructed their homes, buildings, commercial buildings, etc.
You don't and can't do that if you are a renter.

 

[Rigby5]

As usual, you are being played by right wing fake news counting on your lack of knowledge of how voting and absentee ballots work.

When people order an absentee ballot, they order it from the precinct they are registered to vote in.

Their vote counts in the precinct they are registered in, the absentee ballot is sent to where the voter is temporarily staying that the voter requested it to be sent.

The article tries to fool you, implying ballots were sent to the dorm, but the info only tells them, that the voters are registered in that precinct, not that the ballots were mailed there.

Every absentee ballot counted has a signature verification as well....

Thus the article is once again, FAKE NEWS.

When people go to college and live in a dorm---they are only there temporarily but are allowed to vote there because they live there for school. If they weren't living in the dorms, then they legally can not vote in that district.

These full-time students were registered to vote in the precinct. If not for the pandemic they would’ve been living in the dorms. They were simply away from their residences waiting for them to reopen but having paid tuition they were still entitled to live there. Therefore they were still entitled to vote there since they haven’t moved, unless they were voting in their parents’ home district.

Yet another failed attempt by the alt-right to claim voter fraud where a perfectly rational explanation exists for their “clear cases of voter fraud”.

Conservatives are very limited in their thinking. How often do you see a question posted by a conservative with only two possible answers: You’re either in favour of the Wall or you support open borders. If you support reproductive choice, you favour abortion. It’s always either/or. If you oppose voter ID laws, you oppose election security.

You can oppose the Wall and open borders. There are OTHER ways of dealing with the Souther Border.

Any form of government issued ID is adequate for voting. Republicans are willing to spend $100 million dollars on voter ID, and nothing on ensuring EVERY American citizen can easily register to vote, and vote. Instead of making voting harder and harder, you should be making it easier.

Because of the pandemic, it was easier to vote in this election that in any previous election in American history. It’s no accident that this election has the highest turn out of the electorate in American history. Every oversight board called it the fairest safest election in American history. What happened this time should be replicated and enhanced.

Instead the republican party is seeking to limit who can vote, when they can vote and how they can vote because they lost. Instead of coming up with programs and policies to appeal to a wider swath of the electorate, Republicans have chosen to try to lie and cheat.

It does not matter where you have paid to live---if you don't live there, you don't get to vote there. Why is this so hard for you nuts to get?

So military people who are serving overseas and are not in their residences, are not allowed to vote? Is that what you’re saying Skippy?

So when Trump was living in the White House he was not allowed to vote in the State of New York, or Florida since he wasn’t living in either state?

Military have a whole host of laws that pertain to just them and nobody else.........................College kids in California (or not in California) aren't the same thing pumpkin.

Not true.
There are not special laws for military.
Anyone can request a mail on ballot, and anyone can maintain a legal residence anywhere they want.
Laws that would pertain only to the military would be inherently illegal.
Law is dependent upon Blind Justice, where generic concepts are formulated, not specific groups named.

 

[Rigby5]

How about stop stealing their land ,,,,for starters That'd be a great start

Palestinians don't own any land.

Neither did the European refugees.

what European refugees?

The Jews from Europe and Russia who sought sanctuary in Palestine were refugees.

Ok ---land ownership is an interesting social phenomenon. Who owned
land in "palestine" and by what means did it become "owned"

The land in Palestine was owned by the Palestinians before the Ottoman Turk invasion around 1500.
The Turks displaced no one and charged no one rent.
They simply make Palestinians pay taxes to them.
If nothing else, after 7 years, the accepted norm is "adverse possession".
But that does not apply to the Israelis who have been in adverse possession of Palestinian land for over 7 years, because they were immediately told of their trangression and given opportunity to redress.
They did not.
So then gain no rights to the land over time.
All the land is still then Palestinian, (except for the 5% Jews did pay for and own).

 

[Dragonlady]

As usual, you are being played by right wing fake news counting on your lack of knowledge of how voting and absentee ballots work.

When people order an absentee ballot, they order it from the precinct they are registered to vote in.

Their vote counts in the precinct they are registered in, the absentee ballot is sent to where the voter is temporarily staying that the voter requested it to be sent.

The article tries to fool you, implying ballots were sent to the dorm, but the info only tells them, that the voters are registered in that precinct, not that the ballots were mailed there.

Every absentee ballot counted has a signature verification as well....

Thus the article is once again, FAKE NEWS.

When people go to college and live in a dorm---they are only there temporarily but are allowed to vote there because they live there for school. If they weren't living in the dorms, then they legally can not vote in that district.

These full-time students were registered to vote in the precinct. If not for the pandemic they would’ve been living in the dorms. They were simply away from their residences waiting for them to reopen but having paid tuition they were still entitled to live there. Therefore they were still entitled to vote there since they haven’t moved, unless they were voting in their parents’ home district.

Yet another failed attempt by the alt-right to claim voter fraud where a perfectly rational explanation exists for their “clear cases of voter fraud”.

Conservatives are very limited in their thinking. How often do you see a question posted by a conservative with only two possible answers: You’re either in favour of the Wall or you support open borders. If you support reproductive choice, you favour abortion. It’s always either/or. If you oppose voter ID laws, you oppose election security.

You can oppose the Wall and open borders. There are OTHER ways of dealing with the Souther Border.

Any form of government issued ID is adequate for voting. Republicans are willing to spend $100 million dollars on voter ID, and nothing on ensuring EVERY American citizen can easily register to vote, and vote. Instead of making voting harder and harder, you should be making it easier.

Because of the pandemic, it was easier to vote in this election that in any previous election in American history. It’s no accident that this election has the highest turn out of the electorate in American history. Every oversight board called it the fairest safest election in American history. What happened this time should be replicated and enhanced.

Instead the republican party is seeking to limit who can vote, when they can vote and how they can vote because they lost. Instead of coming up with programs and policies to appeal to a wider swath of the electorate, Republicans have chosen to try to lie and cheat.

It does not matter where you have paid to live---if you don't live there, you don't get to vote there. Why is this so hard for you nuts to get?

So military people who are serving overseas and are not in their residences, are not allowed to vote? Is that what you’re saying Skippy?

So when Trump was living in the White House he was not allowed to vote in the State of New York, or Florida since he wasn’t living in either state?

Military have a whole host of laws that pertain to just them and nobody else.........................College kids in California (or not in California) aren't the same thing pumpkin.

The college kids in California are registered voters and are entitled to vote where they are registered. If they are not able to live at the registered address, for whatever reason, they are still legally entitled to vote in the district in which they are registered.

The students have not moved from the residences. They are simply living elsewhere until the residences are reopened, but they are entitled to vote where they are registered as resident. Those laws apply to everyone, not just military and not just Donald Trump.

 

[postman]

There are not special laws for military.
Anyone can request a mail on ballot, and anyone can maintain a legal residence anywhere they want.
Laws that would pertain only to the military would be inherently illegal.
Law is dependent upon Blind Justice, where generic concepts are formulated, not specific groups named.

Actually there are special laws for the military, but many aren't codified, but were part of consent agreements about how much time the military has to return their ballots.

That's why absentee ballots for the military have to go out at least 45 days before election day. And are given an additional 2 weeks, to be returned after election day.

 

[Rigby5]

This means no students/voters were residing inside the Torres Building (nor any of the other dorms) during the election season.

It also means these ballots were fraudulent.

That’s because there’s a second problem: These ballots could not legally have been forwarded to students where they were actually living.

Why not?

Because forwarding ballots to alternative addresses is a felony.

That all depends on who did it. If a third party, some outside people, took mail that was delivered to the dorm, and then delivered it to the students at their new residence, would be committing a felony.

But if the University, as owners of the property, having received the ballots, then forwarded them to where the students now resided, it would be perfectly legal. as long as the new address is within University jurisdiction.

Wrong.
It is not illegal for anyone to assist in forwarding mail as long as it actually gets to the right people.
The dorms should not have let them do it since there is no way to verify, but it is not illegal.

And no, the new address does not have to be within University jurisdiction.
Since University jurisdiction if limited only to the campus, it would have been very unlikely any forwarding address would have retained University jurisdiction.

But again, it is very unlikely anyone had mail forwarded, but instead just went to their dorms to pick up their mail.
It is very unlikely people emptied out their dorms and moved out.
Its not like anyone else wanted to move in, and everyone kept thinking this was going to be over any week.
Nor can assignments be done by file.
Labs for example, need to be done in person, equations, diagrams, etc., have to be done on paper, etc.
The campus could not be abandoned.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Their idea of the Mideast is mythical and horrifically Old Testament, so they likely will never fit into a modern Mideast.

Modern Mideast? But where would all the primitive Muslims go?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How about stop stealing their land ,,,,for starters That'd be a great start

Palestinians don't own any land.

The Palestinians own over 95% of the land.
Just go back to the 1920 census data collected by the British.
Immigrating and native Jews purchased less than 5% of the land.

The Palestinians own over 95% of the land.

1%, maybe.........

Just go back to the 1920 census data collected by the British.

Link?

Immigrating and native Jews purchased less than 5% of the land.

It's true, they owned much more than the palestinians.

Did you ever find proof for your claim that there are 12 million muslims in Israel?
Or that Israel didn't hold much more land after the 1948 war than before?

 

[Rigby5]

There are not special laws for military.
Anyone can request a mail on ballot, and anyone can maintain a legal residence anywhere they want.
Laws that would pertain only to the military would be inherently illegal.
Law is dependent upon Blind Justice, where generic concepts are formulated, not specific groups named.

Actually there are special laws for the military, but many aren't codified, but were part of consent agreements about how much time the military has to return their ballots.

That's why absentee ballots for the military have to go out at least 45 days before election day. And are given an additional 2 weeks, to be returned after election day.

That is not how laws are supposed to be made.
There are lots of people in similar situations, such as the families of diplomates or contractors stationed overseas, and they should legally all have the same accommodations.
But I am not interested in trying to look up any specific legislation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The proof the Palestinians owned the land and lived there is that they constructed their homes, buildings, commercial buildings, etc.
You don't and can't do that if you are a renter.

Sounds like what they do today as squatters.

 

[my2¢]

Getting back to the topic, my guess is that students already registered to vote at the dorm simply took a minute to update their mailing address. If I was a Democratic coordinator for the area I would have sent a postcard to the dorm address of each registered Democrat notifying them to do so. There's nothing illegal about the post office forwarding election information mail.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If nothing else, after 7 years, the accepted norm is "adverse possession".

Sounds like a cornerstone of Ottoman law......DURR

 

[Rigby5]

Their idea of the Mideast is mythical and horrifically Old Testament, so they likely will never fit into a modern Mideast.

Modern Mideast? But where would all the primitive Muslims go?

Nonsense.
The Israelis are the ones with the primitive culture.
Like in the first Intifada, the order from the top was to "break bones" in order to discourage protestors.
Anyone who believes in "Chosen People" or "Promised Land" is a barbaric fanatic who is pretty much totally uncivilized.
It is the Jews who invented the veil, stoning, genocide, women not having souls, etc., and Mohammad tried to reform Judaism into something much more civilized.

The problem with Arabs in the Mideast is not Islam, but that instead their local tribal customs are still Judaism of the Old Testament.
Stoning for example, is Judaic, not Islamic.

 

[postman]

That all depends on who did it. If a third party, some outside people, took mail that was delivered to the dorm, and then delivered it to the students at their new residence, would be committing a felony.

Wrong.
It is not illegal for anyone to assist in forwarding mail as long as it actually gets to the right people.
The dorms should not have let them do it since there is no way to verify, but it is not illegal.

I addressed that as an outside third party doing it. Only the legal residents, or legal owners of the property are allowed to take mail out of the mailbox.
So the university is legally entitled to all the mail delivered to its properties. They can then dispose of it however they want, from throwing it in the trash, to forwarding it to the students new residence.

 

[postman]

Actually there are special laws for the military, but many aren't codified, but were part of consent agreements about how much time the military has to return their ballots.

That's why absentee ballots for the military have to go out at least 45 days before election day. And are given an additional 2 weeks, to be returned after election day.

That is not how laws are supposed to be made.
There are lots of people in similar situations, such as the families of diplomates or contractors stationed overseas, and they should legally all have the same accommodations.
But I am not interested in trying to look up any specific legislation.

The 45 day rule applies to all oversees absentee ballots, including the military. But it has usually been by descent decrees that give the military until 2 weeks after election day (note they still have to be postmarked by election day) to be received by the election board.

That's because the military could be stationed in the middle of Afghanistan or aboard a submarine, where mail delivery is much more difficult than merely using a foreign postal service.

Our people in uniform don't have a static address, hence mail is sent via APO or FPO, that has to locate and forward the mail to them,