"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment"? Donald Trump

[BWK]

Wrong. You can claim whatever you want, legally.

Common Tricks in Committing Fraud​

It doesn't take a genius to cook the books. The tools are often simple:

• Ship items to nonexistent customers, and then credit the accounts for a sale.
• Report nonexistent revenue from a sale, for example by prebilling a regular customer for his next purchase.
• Postpone reporting expenditures to a later billing period so current earnings look healthier.
• Falsify the value of an asset. If, say, a stock investment loses value, the company is supposed to reflect that on the balance sheet. Not doing that makes the company's assets look more valuable than they are.

People who engage in fraud often use multiple tricks. They may also perpetrate other kinds of fraud, as well.

Latisha James wouldn't be pursuing this, if what Trump did was legal.

 

[Rigby5]

Common Tricks in Committing Fraud​

It doesn't take a genius to cook the books. The tools are often simple:

• Ship items to nonexistent customers, and then credit the accounts for a sale.
• Report nonexistent revenue from a sale, for example by prebilling a regular customer for his next purchase.
• Postpone reporting expenditures to a later billing period so current earnings look healthier.
• Falsify the value of an asset. If, say, a stock investment loses value, the company is supposed to reflect that on the balance sheet. Not doing that makes the company's assets look more valuable than they are.

People who engage in fraud often use multiple tricks. They may also perpetrate other kinds of fraud, as well.

Latisha James wouldn't be pursuing this, if what Trump did was legal.

Wrong. Could all be partisan.

 

[BWK]

Remains to be seen.

We've already seen it boss. You aren't watching the news apparently. The crimes were read off tonight. Latisha James has been going over these crimes for three years, and now him and his family will either testify or they won't. All three are heavily involved.

 

[pknopp]

What’s the upside answering the questions?

Seriously. What possible upside is there for him to not remain silent?

The same would have applied to Hillary also right? That is the point.

 

[pknopp]

The point of the 5th amendment is that the prosecutor is trying to make you look bad.
For example, the impeachment of Bill Clinton was over testimony about Lewinsky, in the Paula Jones case.
But since Lewinski had absolutely nothing to do with the alleged sexual assault of Paula Jones by Bill Clinton, he should have just plead the 5th amendment.
The Lewinsky situation was not relevant and was private.
You don't have to be guilty to plead the 5th amendment.
It may or may not make you look good, but it does not really matter.
You can and should always plead the 5th amendment if you simply want to maintain your privacy.

As far as Hillary, I do not believe she ever invoked the 5th amendment.
Instead she pretended to not know much about computers, why Stevens in was in Benghazi, that no one else was given the debate questions, etc.
She is much too good of a liar to risk taking the 5th.

But any lawyer will always tell you to invoke the 5th until they given you immunity.

You can't get immunity for something you didn't do.

 

[BWK]

Wrong. Could all be partisan.

Dude, you need to get down to planet earth okay. You can play in fantasy land all you like, until it takes you down mentally. Which tends to happen to most Trump supporters. Which is why his base has devolved into a cult. I have no control over what you do. But I do know one thing, and that's if, you go against the grains of logic, documented information, and replace it with your own wild imagination, you're going to lose. We see this each and every day with Trump cultists. They debate like the chicken with the head cut off on this forum, going against the grain of accurate, documented, informed information, and it's eating them alive. Do you not understand that?

Think about the ridiculous comment you just made;

Wrong. Could all be partisan. There is nothing intelligent or informative about that argument. It's actually just you throwing spaghetti up against the wall.

 

[pknopp]

Yes you can plead the 5th without having ever committed a crime.
I have done it many times.
The lawyers make you memorize, "I refuse to answer on the grounds it MAY TEND to incriminate me".
That does not mean you have to have actually committed a crime, but that the testimony could lead someone to incorrectly believe that you did.

For example, if you were talking with drinking buddies and happen to discuss how a particular crimes could be committed, you can plead the 5th even though you never actually did anything illegal.
That is because you have the right to privacy about your thoughts about theoretical actions that might cause a jury to get the wrong impression of you.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[pknopp]

And your imagination is meaningless. No one has ever shown this to be the case or even provided anything factual to argue for it.

You never willingly give information to the police or a DA when they implicate you in any wrongdoing, ever. Doing anything else is asinine. The DA, police and everyone involved in the investigation are NOT there to uncover the truth. They are there to get a conviction. Any and all information obtained, regardless of actual guilt, will be used to that end. Nothing a DA receives from you can or will be used to exonerate you.

This asinine need to declare the act of pleading the 5th as an indication of guilt is antithetical to the very fabric of our system of justice. It is out right disgusting that so many Americans are woefully unaware of this. I hope that you never are faced with being on the other end of law when you are innocent.

More irrelevant rambling. Do you not actually read the discussion?

 

[BWK]

You documented nothing.
You were not quoting the constitution, and did not identify what you were quoting.

Contempt of Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BWK]

what kinda sick jollies you must get from all that trolling....

They know their goose is cooked. And their mental stability is shot to hell.

 

[Lakhota]

Amen!

 

[Lakhota]

Misleading asset evaluations is standard procedure for business.
With business, it is nearly impossible to even be sure what assets currently are worth because that is relative to the market and buyer perception.

The only time you can prosecute over asset evaluations if you it can be proven you used wildly different evaluations of the same asset in the same time period.

Funny. Is inflating and deflating building measurements also "standard procedure for business"?

 

[Oldestyle]

You can't plead the 5th for any question that can't incriminate you. A person can be questioned about what they know about the crimes of others. They have to answer those or be held in contempt. If the questions start addressing some crime you might have been involved in, then you can plead the fifth. You can't plead the fifth and then try and defend yourself.

And how many times he pled isn't the point is it?

You can't plead the 5th and then try and defend yourself? Someone should have told that to Lois Lerner! (eye roll)

 

[WTH_Progs?]

James’s office noted that Eric Trump and Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg each invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 500 times.

Eric Trump did so during an Oct. 5, 2020, interview: “Eric Trump then invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in response to more than 500 questions over six hours.”

4 big points from the N.Y. attorney general’s Trump allegations

I suppose this is related to other threads noting Trump being investigated but you have to get a special chuckle over this.

Trump made the statements concerning Hillary associated taking the fifth. I have to imagine he was correct and for the most part I see this as verification that Trump and Hillary are pretty much the same where corruption is concerned.

You figure the Democrats are still on a witch hunt? After all, you have five years experience here, the most recent five years, have they changed their minds or are they still in pursuit?

Only a moron contributes to it, they're option is to fight it until the left changes tune because they took another loss their following can't keep track of.

 

[pknopp]

You can't plead the 5th and then try and defend yourself. Someone should have told that to Lois Lerner! (eye roll)

They did. The Republicans simply dropped it,

 

[FA_Q2]

More irrelevant rambling. Do you not actually read the discussion?

Yes.

And it is all factual. I am sorry that you do not understand how central this is to our justice system.

 

[Oldestyle]

They did. The Republicans simply dropped it,

Nah, Lois pleaded the 5th and then proceeded to testify that she hadn't done anything. The fact that she's collecting a pension after the shit she pulled makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Oldestyle]

Mega fraud? Is that like double secret probation?

 

[playtime]

Trump is no Boy Scout. That’s what endears him to me. I do not want a Boy Scout leading this country.

you prefer a <snicker> 'billionaire' who actually stole from a charity? & tried to steal an old woman's home & property so he could bulldoze it & CONstruct a parking lot for his rich casino patrons?

btw - letitia james who had donny pay for that aforementioned crime, had some of the settlement money go to the u.s. holocaust memorial museum.