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Indeed. "Some" even have the temerity to claim the "universe pops into existence" and is "hard wired to produce intelligence". That "If electrons orbited closer to the nucleus {yada, yada, yada}" That " If electrons and protons did not have the exact opposite charge {yada, yada, yada}" Then repeat this exact nonsense ad nauseum, never pausing to wonder why he couldn't explain (envision, illustrate) an "electron" to anyone if his life depended upon it, let alone any other subatomic "particle" smaller than a proton. I challenge others to attempt doing so as well. Remember quantum mechanics lists all their "Standard Model" so-called "discoveries" as singular, discrete "particles" simply because Einstein could conceive of no other explanation. Note though how all are assigned a certain voltage. Perhaps just unique electrical phenomena then? Some with apparent mass, some without? Maybe that actually makes a ton more sense!The origin of existence is an abiding mystery that commands enormous wonder.The universe pops into existence being hard wired to produce intelligence and you don't even pause to wonder why?
Some have had the temerity to imagine they are capable of nailing it with one explanation or another, and some have been audacious, doctrinaire, and even fanatical in insisting upon their favorite version, yet the mystery endures.
And that's a good thing.
Everything gods being well within the purview of humans..That is within the purview of gods - as is everything.Gods are then hubris.
While Darwin's view of evolutionary biology -Indeed. "Some" even have the temerity to claim the "universe pops into existence" and is "hard wired to produce intelligence". That "If electrons orbited closer to the nucleus {yada, yada, yada}" That " If electrons and protons did not have the exact opposite charge {yada, yada, yada}" Then repeat this exact nonsense ad nauseum, never pausing to wonder why he couldn't explain (envision, illustrate) an "electron" to anyone if his life depended upon it, let alone any other subatomic "particle" smaller than a proton. I challenge others to attempt doing so as well. Remember quantum mechanics lists all their "Standard Model" so-called "discoveries" as singular, discrete "particles" simply because Einstein could conceive of no other explanation. Note though how all are assigned a certain voltage. Perhaps just unique electrical phenomena then? Some with apparent mass, some without? Maybe that actually makes a ton more sense!
I’m not sure how that applies to what I am talking about. Again... he only left us with two choices unless you believe there was some grand conspiracy.Some who selectively embrace the compilation of historical remnants from which they form their narrative are arrogantly dismissive of the Puranas, the Tripitaka, the Granth, the Qur'an, etc., etc., etc.24,000 + written manuscripts say otherwise. Unless you believe there was a broad conspiracy to forge ~24,000 written manuscripts... like I already said.
For many, religion - that purports to aspire to universality - is actually a very parochial matter.
Darwin would have argued that religion served a purpose. Otherwise it would have gone extinct long ago.Religion is an exclusively human construct, and is, necessarily, whatever humans make of it.religion in itself is the aspiration for the means to accomplish the goal of perfection to free their spirit to flourish in the Everlasting and await after time for what surly will be the next objective to accomplish.
The human notion of eternal existence is an enduring catalyst in the various religions that have been conceived.
If the purpose of the universe was to create intelligence then it should be discoverable, right?Indeed. "Some" even have the temerity to claim the "universe pops into existence" and is "hard wired to produce intelligence". That "If electrons orbited closer to the nucleus {yada, yada, yada}" That " If electrons and protons did not have the exact opposite charge {yada, yada, yada}" Then repeat this exact nonsense ad nauseum, never pausing to wonder why he couldn't explain (envision, illustrate) an "electron" to anyone if his life depended upon it, let alone any other subatomic "particle" smaller than a proton. I challenge others to attempt doing so as well. Remember quantum mechanics lists all their "Standard Model" so-called "discoveries" as singular, discrete "particles" simply because Einstein could conceive of no other explanation. Note though how all are assigned a certain voltage. Perhaps just unique electrical phenomena then? Some with apparent mass, some without? Maybe that actually makes a ton more sense!The origin of existence is an abiding mystery that commands enormous wonder.The universe pops into existence being hard wired to produce intelligence and you don't even pause to wonder why?
Some have had the temerity to imagine they are capable of nailing it with one explanation or another, and some have been audacious, doctrinaire, and even fanatical in insisting upon their favorite version, yet the mystery endures.
And that's a good thing.
Just curious... how many gods do you believe there are?If gods indulge in extracurricular activities, that is no business of humans, nor is it comprehensible to them.Everything gods being well within the purview of humans..
In practice... sure. As most agnostics are really atheists. But there are some exceptions.All good. Far as I'm concerned, agnosticism logically amounts to the same thing as atheism.
I reject your self-serving premise, of course. I descry nothing sinister in the archeological record.he only left us with two choices unless you believe there was some grand conspiracy.
I’m not sure how that applies to what I am talking about. Again... he only left us with two choices unless you believe there was some grand conspiracy.Some who selectively embrace the compilation of historical remnants from which they form their narrative are arrogantly dismissive of the Puranas, the Tripitaka, the Granth, the Qur'an, etc., etc., etc.24,000 + written manuscripts say otherwise. Unless you believe there was a broad conspiracy to forge ~24,000 written manuscripts... like I already said.
For many, religion - that purports to aspire to universality - is actually a very parochial matter.
All good. Far as I'm concerned, agnosticism logically amounts to the same thing as atheism.
Far beyond me to dictate to a god how many god should be.Just curious... how many gods do you believe there are?
Why would any secure, self-confident god ever say to humans, "Worship ME!"?If we can know nothing about God, we're left with Cthulhu, something utterly alien. We can't know if any of the supposed pronouncements of this "God" mean what we think they mean. If it says "worship me", it might mean "throw yourself into the ocean abyss, to feed my hungry spawn".
A monotheist is just a borderline atheist.An agnostic is just a polite atheist.
It wasn't self serving when I was searching for answers 20 years ago and had no preference for an outcome so I'm not sure why it would be any different today.I reject your self-serving premise, of course. I descry nothing sinister in the archeological record.he only left us with two choices unless you believe there was some grand conspiracy.
If you wish to believe that the various remnants of aural traditions that made their way into the writings of unknown authors with unknowable agendas were later edited to form reliable, coherent reportage, the same opportunity is afforded to you by all the world's other religious traditions.