If voters had a crystal ball would trump have won?

Votto said:
I don't think Musk anticipated that he would be targeted this way
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He's smarter than that. People who make reckless mistakes affecting the public should know there'll be a reaction.

When the admin engages in unethical/illegal acts.........right out in the open........it's sometimes easy to not notice they are in fact corrupt acts. trumpery has made us somewhat numb to it because trump violates the rules so often.

Governmental appointees, even SGE's like Musk, don't get chosen for positions of power if they, oh I don't know, own a car company. Or own companies getting billions of dollars of government contracts. It's too big of a conflict of interest. But in the error of the age of trump, anything goes. Like the prez promoting Musk's car company at the WH.

Under ordinary circumstances this would immediately be condemned by both parties in Congress and the OGE. But trump has installed a crony to lead the OGE so...........

Trump ousts director of Office of Government Ethics​

"OGE has been notified that the President is removing David Huitema as the director of OGE," the office said in a notice on its website. "OGE is reverting to an Acting Director."

Huitema was appointed to a five-year term by former President Biden. He was confirmed by the Senate in November 2024 and sworn in on December 16, 2024. The office's website initially listed Shelley Finlayson as its acting director. Finlayson has been at the agency since 2006, serving most recently as chief of staff. But Mr. Trump signed a document Monday evening tapping Doug Collins, a Republican former member of Congress and current Department of Veterans Affairs secretary, to be the acting director of OGE.

The move to oust Huitema comes two weeks after Mr. Trump fired at least 17 inspectors general from their roles as watchdogs without explanation, and as Mr. Trump and Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency task force have upended multiple government agencies.

Trump ousts director of Office of Government Ethics​

 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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Blacks would still put him over the top.
‘Sux to be you.
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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Yes, overwhelmingly.
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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Yes.
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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They didn't need a crystal ball, only a functioning brain.
 
Democrats keep forgetting that the alternative to Trump was Kamala Harris, and that democrats have a 27% approval.

Whining about Trump doesn't win voters.
 
kyzr said:
Democrats keep forgetting that the alternative to Trump was Kamala Harris, and that democrats have a 27% approval.

Whining about Trump doesn't win voters.
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That's all they have now.
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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If Erica had a crystal ball trump would NEVER have been elected at all. He'd be in prison where he belongs.
 
Rawley said:
Are you a day trader?
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No investor is touching US at the moment..

EU looks a lot safer place to invest...

Business don't like the drama or chaos...

This is what the real people who make money know...
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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Trump ran against hamas, and won. And my guess is he'd win again even now.
 
CowboyTed said:
No investor is touching US at the moment..

EU looks a lot safer place to invest...

Business don't like the drama or chaos...

This is what the real people who make money know...
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SO what European companies have attracted your nest egg?
 
berg80 said:

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.​

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.
www.nytimes.com

The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration last month, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Trump says a transition period for the economy is likely: ‘You can’t really watch the stock market’​

President Donald Trump and other senior White House officials have spent the past several days bracing Americans for a potential economic slowdown that they say will then lead to stronger growth ahead.

With fears brewing over the potential tariff impact, the labor market slowing and indicators pointed toward possible negative growth in the first quarter, the president and his top lieutenants are projecting a mostly optimistic outlook tempered with warnings about near-term churning.

“There is a period of transition, because what we’re doing is very big,” Trump said Sunday on the Fox News show “Sunday Morning Futures.” “We’re bringing wealth back to America. That’s a big thing. ... It takes a little time, but I think it should be great for us.”

Asked whether he thinks a recession is imminent, Trump said, “I hate to predict things like that.” He later added, “Look, we’re going to have disruption, but we’re OK with that.”

Who are the "we're OK with that" in his dismissal of the unfolding calamity? I suppose the oligarchs he surrounded himself with are. I'm sure he is, if for no other reason than not admitting a mistake.

I guess my question is, if trump ran on, "we are going to intentionally cause a lot of economic pain," and not, "I am going to fix everything on day one (even though he's breaking everything)," would he have won?

I realize the board's minions would vote for him no matter what. How about the undecideds who made the difference in the election? They voted for price reductions, not constant chaos.
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The voters did have a crystal ball: Trump, who said exactly what he was going to do.

Hence the stupidity of Trump voters.
 
Not a fucking chance

Two months on and he’s cratering the economy
 
g5000 said:
Tell that to those who are watching their retirement nest eggs melting.
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If you keep all your eggs in one basket, they might... melt? Lulz.
 
Absolutely Trump would have won!:yes_text12:
 
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