Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[toobfreak]

If you and I are observing the exact same thing at the exact same time, will we observe something different?

Obviously, because each of us interacts with/changes reality in a slightly different way.

 

[toobfreak]

How do you know you altered it from its true nature? What is its true nature?

Nature is an aspect of God. God is nature. Nature is God revealing himself on the physical plane of the phenomenal universe in a corporeal way. Nature's true nature is God. We can only at best perceive God in a very limited finite way, and it is through our affecting/altering reality by our contact/touch/observations/testing that we can know nature.

 

[Chuz Life]

It's because it freaks you out that you deny the science of the big bang. That and your ignorance.

You are wishing and or projecting.

I don't deny any of it.

I just don't attribute it to "god" or to any other creator as so many others do.

And I also leave room for future discoveries that could flip the whole theory again and again.

 

[toobfreak]

I see it as existence that gives life. I see nature as describing how existence behaves. Let's say you are a kind hearted person. We would say it is your nature to be kind. We wouldn't say that you are kindness. You are the thing that exists. KIndness is the nature of your existence.

Semantics. Sure, existence gives life, but strictly speaking, existence is nature, and life born of nature perceives its existence only through consciousness of being.

Therefore, consciousness of nature through existence must have come about by God as a means to explicitly be SELF-DETERMINANT, as this is chiefly the advantage that consciousness (self-awareness) gives us.

 

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You are wishing and or projecting.

I don't deny any of it.

Sure looks like you were to me.

 

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Obviously, because each of us interacts with/changes reality in a slightly different way.

Interesting.

 

[Chuz Life]

Sure looks like you were to me.

Must be that perspective thing you and Toob were talking about.

 

[ding]

Must be that perspective thing you and Toob were talking about.

Or black and white.

 

[DennisPTate]

"Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues



A book by two French authors that challenges a longstanding academic consensus is being published in Britain next week


In a striking challenge to the academic consensus, two French authors, Michel-Yves Bolloré and Olivier Bonnassies, argue that the latest scientific theories lead to only one logical conclusion: an all-powerful deity created the universe and all life within it.


The materialist narrative for the beginnings of the universe and life on earth is so full of holes, he and Bonnassies argue, that every modern scientific advance increases the strength of the case that a “creator” is the only rational explanation."

Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues

A book by two French authors that challenges a longstanding academic consensus is being published in Britain next week

www.thetimes.com

This is an interesting article about a new book. The authors are not the only people seeing evidnce in a creator in the Big Bang and DNA and the complexity of cellular bio-machines.
Back in the 19th century, materialists had Darwin's theory of evolution and a static universe model to support their beliefs.
But today, we have an expanding universe coming from a singularity and DNA storing complex data which points to a creator.

It is probably twenty years or more ago when I read the near death experience of former Atheist Mellen Benedict. What Mellen Benedict was shown about what happened before the BigBang event of fourteen or so billion years ago really shocked me. What he was shown fits amazingly well with chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" that is entitled "The Anthropic Principle."

[Mellen Benedict] :

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

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[DonGlock26]

It is probably twenty years or more ago when I read the near death experience of former Atheist Mellen Benedict. What Mellen Benedict was shown about what happened before the BigBang event of fourteen or so billion years ago really shocked me. What he was shown fits amazingly well with chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" that is entitled "The Anthropic Principle."

Hawking, like most atheist physicists, want to speculate on universes popping into existence from nothing or expanding and then contracting continuously as a natural process in order to escape concluding that a prime mover started our universe.

 

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Hawking, like most atheist physicists, want to speculate on universes popping into existence from nothing or expanding and then contracting continuously as a natural process in order to escape concluding that a prime mover started our universe.

The cyclical universe idea is dead. No one believes it except atheists.