Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

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What we say when we speak about creation and/or creator then we speak about that the creator transcends every nothing and existence. But what for heavens sake could be more nothing than nothing or more existent than existence?

God is no "thing."

This is a life breeding, intelligence creating universe because the constant presence of mind made it so.

 

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That's not evidence. It's speculation.

Maybe say that after you have explained when you believe the laws of nature came into existence and why.

 

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That's all I have been trying to say.

You've been saying a lot of things on this subject and they have been mostly wrong.

You didn't even know that the science says the universe was created from nearly equal amounts of matter and anti-matter and why science says that.

 

[Chuz Life]

• In the early universe, matter and anti-matter were being created equally out of the radiation
  
  • pair production
    • pair production is the production of matter and anti-matter in pairs
    • two photons can produce a pair
    • particle-antiparticle annihilation (the reverse process) is also possible
  • What is anti-matter (anti-particles)?
    • A type of matter which has the same mass as normal matter, but opposite charge
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The Early Universe

Silly me. . .

Of course we all know where that original radiation came from too.

wait. . .

 

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Silly me. . .

Of course we all know where that original radiation came from too.

wait. . .

At this point I don't believe you understand the mechanics of the Big Bang or the evidence for it either.

 

[DonGlock26]

Maybe say that after you have explained when you believe the laws of nature came into existence and why.

Well, the laws of nature came into being when nature came into being, since the laws of nature are how we explain the actions of nature in the universe.

An interesting point is that the laws of nature are perfectly arranged for matter, energy, and life to exist in the universe. This is called "fine tuning" among intelligent design proponents. If one or more of the laws of nature were different, we wouldn't exist.

 

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Well, the laws of nature came into being when nature came into being, since the laws of nature are how we explain the actions of nature in the universe.

An interesting point is that the laws of nature are perfectly arranged for matter, energy, and life to exist in the universe. This is called "fine tuning" among intelligent design proponents. If one or more of the laws of nature were different, we wouldn't exist.

When did nature come into being and why couldn't the laws of nature have existed before nature came into being? And what laws governed nature coming into being?

Why do you believe the laws of nature would be any different outside of space and time than they are within space and time?

Because the simplest explanation is that the laws of nature have always existed.

 

[DonGlock26]

When did nature come into being and why couldn't the laws of nature have existed before nature came into being? And what laws governed nature coming into being?

Why do you believe the laws of nature would be any different outside of space and time than they are within space and time?

Because the simplest explanation is that the laws of nature have always existed.

When the universe came into being, since nature is a way of describing the universe. The laws of nature could have been in the mind of an intelligent creator, but I am speculating in order to answer your question. The act of governing the universe coming into being would be the acts/laws of a creator.

I can't honestly say what exists outside of our universe without speculating. You are speaking of Plato's theory of the forms as briefly alluded to in your video. The forms would have to exist in the mind of a creator.

Not necessarily. Why would a law of gravity exist before gravity unless it was a thought in the mind of a creator?

 

[zaangalewa]

God is no "thing." ...

Wie konnte ich nur niemals auf so eine blöde Idee kommen. Verzeihung, Massa, oh du edelster der edlen des Universums.
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How could I never have come up with such a stupid idea? Forgive me, Massa, oh noblest of the noble in the universe.

 

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When the universe came into being, since nature is a way of describing the universe. The laws of nature could have been in the mind of an intelligent creator, but I am speculating in order to answer your question. The act of governing the universe coming into being would be the acts/laws of a creator.

I can't honestly say what exists outside of our universe without speculating. You are speaking of Plato's theory of the forms as briefly alluded to in your video. The forms would have to exist in the mind of a creator.

Not necessarily. Why would a law of gravity exist before gravity unless it was a thought in the mind of a creator?

I'm not speaking of Plato's theory of forms and I'm not arguing God didn't create existence. I'm arguing that it's logical that the laws of nature exist at all times. And given that the universe was created according to the laws of nature, it's logical to believe the laws of nature existed before space and time were created.

 

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Wie konnte ich nur niemals auf so eine blöde Idee kommen. Verzeihung, Massa, oh du edelster der edlen des Universums.
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How could I never have come up with such a stupid idea? Forgive me, Massa, oh noblest of the noble in the universe.

We exist in the mind of God.

 

[zaangalewa]

We exist in the mind of God.

Du nervst. = You're annoying.

 

[Chuz Life]

At this point I don't believe you understand the mechanics of the Big Bang or the evidence for it either.

At this point, I don't believe anyone else does either.

I can see (and even appreciate) many of the assumptions being made. But, when new things (like radiation) are being introduced to dance around the fact that we have nothing in the way of evidence of anything PRIOR to the "singularity". . . I'm just going to let it go at that.

It may be interesting to know, but how the Universe popped out of nothingness is little more than that (curiosity), to me.

 

[Chuz Life]

I'm not speaking of Plato's theory of forms and I'm not arguing God didn't create existence. I'm arguing that it's logical that the laws of nature exist at all times. And given that the universe was created according to the laws of nature, it's logical to believe the laws of nature existed before space and time were created.

Who or what created the laws of nature?

 

[DonGlock26]

I'm not speaking of Plato's theory of forms and I'm not arguing God didn't create existence. I'm arguing that it's logical that the laws of nature exist at all times. And given that the universe was created according to the laws of nature, it's logical to believe the laws of nature existed before space and time were created.

Not really. Nature comes before the "laws" describing how it operates. A creator could create universes with different attributes which would then be described as laws.

 

[DonGlock26]

Pretty interesting video.

 

[Chuz Life]

Nature comes before the "laws" describing how it operates.

^^^ This.

 

[Chuz Life]

Pretty interesting video.

No matter how smooth, polished, rehearsed, genuinely felt a sales pitch is, for either side. . . It's still just a sales pitch.

We know the universe exists and has a very long distant past, even if we don't yet know anything about its beginning.

So, we keep looking and observing.

No leaps of faith from either side are required for that.

 

[DonGlock26]

No matter how smooth, polished, rehearsed, genuinely felt a sales pitch is, for either side. . . It's still just a sales pitch.

We know the universe exists and has a very long distant past, even if we don't yet know anything about its beginning.

So, we keep looking and observing.

No leaps of faith from either side are required for that.

That's why I only bring up the swinging of a pendulum. We can't see the beginning.

 

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Du nervst. = You're annoying.

I use to think that time didn't exist. That time was just a convenient way to demark the expansion of the universe. I now believe that time is the only thing that exists as everything unfolds in a sequential fashion because we exist in the mind of God.