Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Big Bang points towards a creation event.

And I say it doesn't.

Well that was easy.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, as a scientist who started out in life an atheist until I had God proven to and shown to me, and since I understand the linked article doesn't really offer their proof (have to buy the book), let me say this in a way easy to follow:

1. Nothing in the universe is eternal. Even light suffers entropy.
2. Anything that has an ending had a beginning.
3. If everything in the universe has an ending, then the universe had to have a beginning.
4. Nothing exists without a cause. Something caused everything in the universe that exists, to be there.
5. The universe is full of mind, consciousness and intelligence, as proven by mankind.
6. There is no known process whereby consciousness comes from unconsciousness, and intelligence comes from mindlessness, therefore, all finite qualities in the universe (including mind, consciousness and intelligence) had to have been caused/created/begun by some unlimited fount for these qualities.
7. The cause of anything is deemed to have created it. Since the universe was created, it too had to have some cause. Since the universe is intelligent, then the supreme cause of the universe must have been supremely intelligent too.
8. Take away the mind, the consciousness, the wisdom, and the cause of the universe could be some inert action--- a hiccup in the branes between two different dimensions--- but when you add in the MIND, you now have a mindful creator with a purpose--- ie: God.

• The cause of the universe is God.
• God must be a supreme personality with an unlimited mind since he has given a very finite piece of his personality and consciousness to us.

None of this is evidence its a belief based on a number of hypothetical statements

 

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And I say it doesn't.

Well that was easy.

What would you call it when a universe pops into existence not being created from existing matter?

 

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None of this is evidence its a belief based on a number of hypothetical statements

It's logic based upon evidence. So, no, those are NOT hypothetical statements.

 

[Hafar1014]

It's logic based upon evidence. So, no, those are NOT hypothetical statements.

They are all hypothesis not hypothetical. A hypothesis usually is an If then statement. There is no evidence because it must be tested by the scientific method and there is no instrument that can measure god.
Logic cant apply. Its 100% a belief

 

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They are all hypothesis not hypothetical. A hypothesis usually is an If then statement.

The universe is expanding. That is a fact based upon evidence. An expanding universe means the universe had a beginning. Also a fact. Also based upon evidence.

 

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There is no evidence because it must be tested by the scientific method and there is no instrument that can measure god.
Logic cant apply. Its 100% a belief

You are skipping steps. Step one is to establish did the universe begin or not. The overwhelming evidence is that it did.

 

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A hypothesis usually is an If then statement.

Statements beginning with "if" (if-then statements) are called conditional statements or logical implications. They are both logical and hypothetical: they analyze hypothetical situations ("if P") to make a logical claim about a necessary result ("then Q"). They represent "if-then" reasoning where a condition is set.

Key Aspects of "If" Statements:

• Structure: They consist of two parts: the hypothesis ("if" part/antecedent) and the conclusion ("then" part/consequent).
• Logical Function: In logic, they are used to show that if one statement is true, another must be true.
• Hypothetical Thought: They help analyze possible, uncertain, or imaginary scenarios, such as "If I study, I will pass".
• Validity: A conditional statement is only false when the hypothesis is true but the conclusion is false.
  

They are not limited to hypothetical scenarios; they are used in formal logic, science, and everyday conditional reasoning.