Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Big Bang points towards a creation event.

And I say it doesn't.

Well that was easy.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, as a scientist who started out in life an atheist until I had God proven to and shown to me, and since I understand the linked article doesn't really offer their proof (have to buy the book), let me say this in a way easy to follow:

1. Nothing in the universe is eternal. Even light suffers entropy.
2. Anything that has an ending had a beginning.
3. If everything in the universe has an ending, then the universe had to have a beginning.
4. Nothing exists without a cause. Something caused everything in the universe that exists, to be there.
5. The universe is full of mind, consciousness and intelligence, as proven by mankind.
6. There is no known process whereby consciousness comes from unconsciousness, and intelligence comes from mindlessness, therefore, all finite qualities in the universe (including mind, consciousness and intelligence) had to have been caused/created/begun by some unlimited fount for these qualities.
7. The cause of anything is deemed to have created it. Since the universe was created, it too had to have some cause. Since the universe is intelligent, then the supreme cause of the universe must have been supremely intelligent too.
8. Take away the mind, the consciousness, the wisdom, and the cause of the universe could be some inert action--- a hiccup in the branes between two different dimensions--- but when you add in the MIND, you now have a mindful creator with a purpose--- ie: God.

• The cause of the universe is God.
• God must be a supreme personality with an unlimited mind since he has given a very finite piece of his personality and consciousness to us.

None of this is evidence its a belief based on a number of hypothetical statements

 

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And I say it doesn't.

Well that was easy.

What would you call it when a universe pops into existence not being created from existing matter?

 

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None of this is evidence its a belief based on a number of hypothetical statements

It's logic based upon evidence. So, no, those are NOT hypothetical statements.

 

[Hafar1014]

It's logic based upon evidence. So, no, those are NOT hypothetical statements.

They are all hypothesis not hypothetical. A hypothesis usually is an If then statement. There is no evidence because it must be tested by the scientific method and there is no instrument that can measure god.
Logic cant apply. Its 100% a belief

 

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They are all hypothesis not hypothetical. A hypothesis usually is an If then statement.

The universe is expanding. That is a fact based upon evidence. An expanding universe means the universe had a beginning. Also a fact. Also based upon evidence.

 

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There is no evidence because it must be tested by the scientific method and there is no instrument that can measure god.
Logic cant apply. Its 100% a belief

You are skipping steps. Step one is to establish did the universe begin or not. The overwhelming evidence is that it did.

 

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A hypothesis usually is an If then statement.

Statements beginning with "if" (if-then statements) are called conditional statements or logical implications. They are both logical and hypothetical: they analyze hypothetical situations ("if P") to make a logical claim about a necessary result ("then Q"). They represent "if-then" reasoning where a condition is set.

Key Aspects of "If" Statements:

• Structure: They consist of two parts: the hypothesis ("if" part/antecedent) and the conclusion ("then" part/consequent).
• Logical Function: In logic, they are used to show that if one statement is true, another must be true.
• Hypothetical Thought: They help analyze possible, uncertain, or imaginary scenarios, such as "If I study, I will pass".
• Validity: A conditional statement is only false when the hypothesis is true but the conclusion is false.
  

They are not limited to hypothetical scenarios; they are used in formal logic, science, and everyday conditional reasoning.

 

[DonGlock26]

And I say it doesn't.

Well that was easy.

You can wallow in 19th century thinking, if you wish.

 

[DonGlock26]

No, nor did you provide support that it was his motivation for his science. And you know you didn't. But you pull this same stupid shit in every thread. You're just about a worthless poster.

Stephen Hawking also said he was fully aware that none of his work could ever rule out a creator, and that anyone could point at all of his work and all of science and claim, "God did that." But you wouldn't know that, because you know nothing about him and do not read things that are not comic books or FOX headlines.

I proved you wrong. Good day.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I proved you wrong. Good day.

Liar.

You do this in every thread.

 

[DonGlock26]

Liar.

You do this in every thread.

Hawkings said what he said. I'm sorry. You were wrong.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You can wallow in 19th century thinking, if you wish.

An odd post, considering you are crybabying about 21st century mathematics.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hawkings said what he said. I'm sorry. You were wrong.

And did not say what you.claimed
.
Thanks for proving me right.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This embarrassing display shows why we need to start teaching basic logic in about 3rd grade.

 

[Kruska]

"Does God exist?

NO - and there is no need for a God - to SCIENTIFICALLY, explore the Universe and as such it's "beginning".
If there is even a so called beginning - since the Universe is known to be ENDLESS aka infinite.

E.g. how would someone be able to determine the "beginning" of life, on an immortal? only via SCIENCE if at all.

 

[DonGlock26]

And did not say what you.claimed
.
Thanks for proving me right.

He proved you wrong.

 

[DonGlock26]

An odd post, considering you are crybabying about 21st century mathematics.

You aren't making sense again.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You aren't making sense again.

Because youre too dumb even to know what you were complaining about.

 

[DonGlock26]

NO - and there is no need for a God - to SCIENTIFICALLY, explore the Universe and as such it's "beginning".
If there is even a so called beginning - since the Universe is known to be ENDLESS aka infinite.

E.g. how would someone be able to determine the "beginning" of life, on an immortal? only via SCIENCE if at all.

Who said God was necessary to explore the Universe?

The beginning of life and the beginning of the Universe are two different things.