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If it saves one life...
If teachers were given the option to conceal carry, schools would be a lot safer.
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Failzero
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Marxist Inspired Union types who espouse the 1619 Project and CRT gettin
Permits ?
Permits ?
Mikeoxenormous
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Same POV on gun control? If it saves one life…
M14 Shooter
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Oh - you don't like it when liberal talking points are used against you.
So sad...
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C'mon, man. If there is one thing we all have in common, it's that none of us want children to be executed by bad guys. We can start there.interesting that many good law abiding citizens who teach would sacrifice their lives in defense of the children they are responsible for, but you dont want them to be able to defend themselves "legally". Is it because you want children to be executed by said bad guys?
Parkland school shooting: Football coach died shielding students
Coach Aaron Feis took several bullets while protecting students at his alma mater during Wednesday's mass shooting, witnesses said.www.nbcnews.com
If he only had a weapon to shoot back at the progressive creep.
And top marks to the football coach, but that's one data point. He may have stopped and shot the bad guy, but put handguns under the windbreakers of a thousand football coaches across the country, and it's not hard to imagine a lot of unintended consequences. This coach cracks under pressure; that one has his go off by accident; others get theirs stolen by a student, or pull it for a minor altercation, or focus on being Dirty Harry when he should be guiding his kids out the back door.
Teachers, and in this case coaches, are famously overworked and stressed. Some of them may have been Marine snipers in a former life, sure, but taken collectively, I don't want them having to juggle firearm safety and counter-terrorism duties on top of the mountain of others they already have.
2aguy
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The wild west was only wild in the movies...people had to be polite to each other because they all had guns...
2aguy
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Hey, dumb ass........do you think they would have used those guns to stop the guy as they stood in front of those kids? You fucking dumb ass...
The cops were outside for over an hour........your government failed you, and failed those children.....
give up your guns and government will protect you...
Those dead children and teachers are examples showing this is a stupid belief....
Canon Shooter
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This is so stupid.
We trust teachers with almost every single aspect of our children's lives.
We trust them to educate them. We trust them to see that our children eat when they should. We trust them to see that our children can get to the restroom when need be. We trust them to make sure they don't fight with their peers. We trust them to make sure our kids get on the school bus at the end of the school day.
But you obviously don't think it's important enough to trust teachers to protect our children.
Sorry, but that's just fucked up...
2aguy
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Yeah....except no......there are already armed teachers in schools all across the country and nothing you are predicting has happened...
So......you have nothing...
Here’s all the states where teachers already carry guns in the classroom
Florida is on the verge of becoming the 15th state to arm teachers after Gov. Rick Scott signed an omnibus bill Friday allowing school staff to undergo law enforcement training to carry guns in the classroom.
Although the notion may seem radical, at least 14 states already arm teachers, according to a VICE News review of state laws and interviews with education department officials and school board associations around the country. Those states are Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, and Washington.
Another 16 states give local school boards the authority to decide whether school staff can carry guns, either explicitly or through legal loopholes, but officials said they didn’t know of any instances of armed teachers in those states.
Here’s all the states where teachers already carry guns in the classroom
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Pistol-Packing Teachers Becoming More Common in Arkansas
HEBER SPRINGS, ARKANSAS —
Dale Cresswell keeps his gun on his hip at all times: in his classroom, at sporting events, whenever he’s at school.
Cresswell, head coach to the senior boys’ track and cross-country teams, is one of a small, but growing group of teachers around the United States who are volunteering to carry a weapon. His employer, Heber Springs School District, just came online this semester.
“It was a no-brainer. I have a daughter still in school,” said Cresswell of his decision, acknowledging that he might know any potential shooter. “I see it as, I’m protecting more than one person. I’m protecting all the other students.”
Tests and training
In order to qualify, Cresswell and other faculty, including administrators and IT professionals who can move around more easily, underwent background checks and psychological tests. They continue to go through rigorous training.
“I know that last summer there was a big movement here. We were fortunate that we had made the decision early, and we were able to secure trainers and get our time slot locked in,” said Heber Springs School District Superintendent Alan Stauffacher, noting that some other schools are “struggling” to get set up.
A semester in, the novelty of Cresswell carrying a weapon has worn off. He said that when asked, the students tell him they don’t even notice his gun anymore.
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A study published by Vice News in March found that at least 14 of the 50 states arm teachers and another 16 allow local school boards to decide on the issue.
Here's what Pa. can do to stop the next school shooting | Opinion
Do we need the shooters to spell it out for us? Some have, including shooters at a Charleston church and at a Colorado movie theater.
In diaries and other statements, they have explicitly stated their intentions to avoid places where people have guns. In 2016, a young Islamic State sympathizer planned a shooting at one of the largest churches in Detroit. The FBI recorded a telephone call where he explained why he had picked the church: "It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church."
We don't have to guess about the logistics of letting teachers carry. In 18 states, teachers and staff are already carrying concealed handguns, though the rules vary greatly.
Utah, with some of the least restrictive rules, has allowed teachers and staff to carry since 1997. There has never been a mass public shooting at an American school that allows concealed carry.
Clark Aposhian, the senior member of Utah's Concealed Firearm Review Board, estimates roughly 5 percent of teachers in his state carry permitted concealed handguns at school.
Aposhian estimates a rate of between 10 percent and 12 percent among support staff . These support staff include janitors, librarians, secretaries, and lunch staff.
Carrying in a school is no different than in a grocery store, movie theater, or restaurant. Over 1.3 million Pennsylvanians have a concealed handgun permit, and nobody knows who is carrying until a need arises. With almost 14 percent of adults having permits, public places are rarely defenseless. Except for schools.
Permit holders have recently stopped dozens of would-be mass public shootings in malls, churches, schools, universities and towns. Still, some people fear the worst. They fear that permit holders won't respond well, and perhaps accidentally shoot an innocent bystander. But that's never happened. Nor has a police officer ever accidentally shot a permit holder.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...b-guns-in-schools-st-0314-20180313-story.html
For the Purdue project, students pored over FBI data from past mass shootings, including Sandy Hook, the 2012 Newtown, Conn., mass shooting that ended with 20 children and six adults dead. They studied police response time in relation to casualties, said the institute's director, J. Eric Dietz, Indiana's first director of Homeland Security. Appointed by Gov. Mitch Daniels, Dietz reorganized the state's public safety planning and response while serving as director until 2008.
In their study, the Purdue students created four scenarios and ran them through the computer models that followed an active shooter in a school. It's available at www.researchgate.net/.
They learned what could seem obvious: if a police officer or other armed school official confronts the shooter, fewer casualties are likely to occur. Dietz said the gun debate is so polarizing, his students sought to use science to inform people in the middle of the debate.
"What we found was profound," said Dietz. He said a single resource officer "or even an armed teacher in a defensive position between attacker and students can reduce the number of victims by up to 70 percent."
Dietz and his students have been presenting their findings at seminars across the country. They're using models now to study stadiums and sporting events.
"My students weren't supporting a certain agenda item. We tried to take a very objective look," said Dietz.
"In all cases, some presence of weapons was an advantage," he said. "Essentially, our model shows what President Trump said after the Florida shooting – arm more people. That's what we predict from the science we built."
2aguy
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Wrong.....for the democrat party, a mass public shooting in an elementary school is Christmas day for them.........they can use the tragedy to push for the gun control laws they want, which have no bearing on what actually happened....
Don't tell us the democrats are saddened by these deaths....
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If one of the teachers murdered by the loony in Texas had been carrying I find it most credible to believe they would have shot as an alternative to dying.
Mikeoxenormous
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Ah yes, those unintended consequences like a 19 or 18 year old going into a school and murdering children because there wasnt a teacher with a gun. Nice try, but my daughter would shoot first and ask questions later when it came to protecting her kids in school.
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Fine and dandy......Wild wild west and end the nonsense going on. Like BLM burning shit down..
Ok.
eagle1462010
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How could any man sit outside as you know children are being slaughtered inside a school. I would have went after his ass with a fucking pocket knife if that was all that was avaiable...............I guarantee you that there were better things around to use to give it a try.
So you're saying by bringing more guns in schools it would help solve the problem. I bet the end result will be more deaths. Thankfully teachers unions all around the country don't agree with that idea. More guns isn't the answer.My daughter while going to college, also went to the "women's weapon self defense course" and "conceal carry class". She passed with flying colors got her permit to carry and is now a full fledge teacher. More teachers with this capability would be the front line defense incase of a deranged Progressive moron (radicalized to hate America) wanted to come into the school with the intent to "murder" innocent children and teachers. Have the school system pay for the security those schools so badly need.
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I think the most distressing aspect of all of this is that the anti-American left are focused on obtaining the one thing they will never get: an outright ban on guns.
In order to get that, the democrats need more votes than they will ever get. They know that. They know that what they're clamoring for is something which will never be achieved.
This is why, when it comes to matters of guns, gun safety and the 2nd Amendment, they should be ignored. They've got as likely a chance as catching a unicorn that's farting rainbows as they do of getting rid of guns.
Maybe if democrats would start looking at possible solutions which are actually viable we could actually find one. The reality, though, is that they're devoid of ideas, and the facility for critical thought eludes them.
In order to get that, the democrats need more votes than they will ever get. They know that. They know that what they're clamoring for is something which will never be achieved.
This is why, when it comes to matters of guns, gun safety and the 2nd Amendment, they should be ignored. They've got as likely a chance as catching a unicorn that's farting rainbows as they do of getting rid of guns.
Maybe if democrats would start looking at possible solutions which are actually viable we could actually find one. The reality, though, is that they're devoid of ideas, and the facility for critical thought eludes them.
Mikeoxenormous
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The progressive answer to everything, just let the bad guy murder innocent children and adults.
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Teachers should not have to carry guns in the classroom. Don't they have enough responsibility already?My daughter while going to college, also went to the "women's weapon self defense course" and "conceal carry class". She passed with flying colors got her permit to carry and is now a full fledge teacher. More teachers with this capability would be the front line defense incase of a deranged Progressive moron (radicalized to hate America) wanted to come into the school with the intent to "murder" innocent children and teachers. Have the school system pay for the security those schools so badly need.
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Ladies’ only course meets the requirements necessary for students to obtain their Florida Concealed Carry License. This is an intermediate level course, that reviews license protocols, use of force laws, firearm safety, and marksmanship. The class concludes with a live-fire exercise where students will demonstrate safe shooting skills.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=womens conceal carry course&qs=n&form=QBRE&=%eManage Your Search History%E&sp=-1&pq=womens conceal carry course&sc=4-27&sk=&cvid=D864FEB5CC31437B9044FA71C987426C#Womens Firearms Training • Shooters World
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This is a bad idea.
Mikeoxenormous
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So you want more dead children and teachers?
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